Skip to comments.India to launch its first home-built nuclear submarine
Posted on 08/12/2012 7:19:44 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
INS Arihant, planned to be the first of five submarines of its class, will be ready to begin sea trials, said Admiral Nirmal Verma, the navy commander. When the vessel eventually becomes operational, India will be able to launch nuclear missiles from the sea, land and air, joining a handful of countries possessing the "nuclear triad".
The strategic aim is to deter China and Pakistan and establish India as the leading power in the Indian Ocean. "INS Arihant is steadily progressing towards becoming operational," said Adml Verma. "We are pretty close to putting it to sea."
The navy was poised to "complete the triad, and our maritime and nuclear doctrines will then be aligned to ensure our nuclear insurance comes from the sea," added Adml Verma. "Given our unequivocal 'no first-use commitment', a retaliatory strike capability that is credible and invulnerable is an imperative."
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
They haven’t figured out chairs.
From the article:
Nonetheless, Adml Verma’s statement is likely to provoke
a strong reaction from Beijing, which warned India
against ‘arrogance’ earlier this year following its
successful launch of the Agni IV intercontinental
ballistic missile, a land-based weapon which can strike
any city in China.
Mohan Guruswamy, from the Centre for Policy Alternatives
in New Delhi, said the imminent launch of the new
submarine “changed the equation [between India and China]
He pointed out that India ws also planning to launch six
nuclear-powered attack submarines, adding that within
seven years the country should have a varied fleet which
would, in theory, be able to block Chinese access to the
Indian Ocean via the Strait of Malacca. “They could be
sitting off Karachi or China. It’s an investment for
the future,” said Mr Guruswamy.
> They havent figured out chairs.
Good for them! An MD’s recommendation is to not sit on chairs but to sit on a mat on the floor Asian-style. Says sitting on a chair is not good for your posture, eating or internal organs. Lots of folks now use stand-up desks too.
Theres several BILLION Chinese just a hop skip and a jump across the border.. Maybe the Indians can nuke themselves when they attack India.. OR some can escape in the submarines..
Maybe they should outsource design/construction to the USA.
In January 1988 India leased a Charlie I class submarine from the USSR for three years. The lease expired in January 1991 and the boat was returned to to the USSR. Arihant is based on the Soviet/Russian Charlie and Akula classes.
> Theres several BILLION Chinese just a hop skip and a jump
> across the border.. Maybe the Indians can nuke themselves
> when they attack India.. OR some can escape in the
Surely you jest, because their populations are close and China’s population is not “several billion”:
List of countries by population
1 China 1,347,350,000 December 31, 2011 19.16% Official estimate
2 India 1,210,193,422 March 1, 2011 17.21% 2011 census
When they call 1-800-Support, where will the call go?
There has been some calculations using the satellite reconnaissance that calls to question the official Chinese population estimates as being understated by 50%.
It has been awhile but I believe Charlie Smith of Softwar.net has been one of those that has covered this issue. I am not sure where he would have written this.
Maybe they can hook this sub into their 3rd world power grid and perform double duty. ;-}
I’m somewhat... skeptical of the idea that one can just “misplace” 1.3 billion people.
“Theres several BILLION Chinese just a hop skip and a jump across the border.”
Not exactly. There’s this little mountain range called the Himalayas in the way. More like a giant leap.
That is exactly point of the analysis. The numbers that can be calculated by Western intelligence don't remotely match what the Chinese are posturing as true.
Chinese have an official GDP growth rate that almost all Western economists are skeptical of. Is it so hard to believe if the Chinese misstate on one official fact they won't misstate another? Why would they understate the population? It shows how impoverished that country really is.
Why would they overstate the growth rate? To keep the discontentment from building. Smith has been pretty dead on right with the material he has been willing to release.
Why so many negative comments? A strong India helps counter-balance China, and that’s good for everyone, including China.
GDP estimates are by their very nature arbitrary, and can be easily manipulated. There is a major difference between GDP estimates for China being too high, and China actually having double the population. China isn’t some hermit kingdom - westerners can readily move around the vast majority of the country. Why would every international statistical agency co-operate in covering up the existence of more then a billion people?
Just what sources do you have for this?
[ Not exactly. Theres this little mountain range called the Himalayas in the way. More like a giant leap. ]
Not thru Bangladesh... and then from Burma by the sea..
Theater nukes would make the difference..
Probably the CLintoons sold them all that info to make them... or Zero-Obama..
[ Surely you jest, because their populations are close and Chinas population is not several billion: ]
You’re not good with war... are you a butcher or candle maker?
You need to brush up on geography. Between China and India sits the tallest and longest and widest mountain range on the globe...the Himalaya’s.
For thousands of years of past history, the only land access to India was the 2 passes...the Khyber pass and the Karakoram pass. These are located in NW direction from India, The Mongols & Arab invaders used those routes 13 centuries back.
China is located in North-East direction from India.
You be wrong...
Grow up sitting on the floor?
Charlie Smith has written for quite a few publications, it is hard to keep tract where it might have ended up (Newsmax, his own site Software.net and some intelligence and business oriented intelligence reports). I will do a little digging and see if I can come up with anything. Smith is amazing with what he unearths. Check out the link to his old site. Unfortunately, I don't have is email address.
The real issue for the intelligence world came when they started doing grid counts of people in the rural areas of China. There were just too many people in grids to match with the public Chinese statistics (by a factor 50%). I haven't been able to find a source yet...and I still need to get some work done tonight.
If that picture shows their submarine they need to go back to the drawing board... (It’s not like someone would illustrate an article about a submarine with a pic of a missile, right?)
Maybe you should apply for the job of Secretary of Defense to Obama. Obama needs talented people like you.
Here is what Arihant looks like.
Seriously, try some geography lessons.
Due to the hukou system, 60 years of migration to cities from the rural countryside is not recorded by the official Chinese census. Migrants continue to be classified by their rural hukou and counted in the official census as residents of the rural area from which they came. Even the children of rural residents living in a city are counted as residing in the rural area with which their fathers family or grandfathers family was classified in 1951.
The second article is more interesting, and it does seem to support a potentially higher population for China then the official census records. However, there are few important qualifiers on that. First, they estimated the population of china to only be 22% higher than reported, not 100%. Second, if I am reading that study properly, they are claiming that many national census reports around the globe are too low. By their estimates, Brazil is under-reporting by 19%, Turkey by 40%, Canada by 32%, Thailand by 26%, and so on. Even the US population is actually 7% higher in their opinion. So this is less a case of China conspiring to hide their population, as it is census results globally being inaccurate.
As I mentioned, the real analysis was done with grid counts of the population though satellite imagery. I will see if I can get a hold of Smith. It may make take a few days with my schedule and I don't have his email address in my current contact file.
Do you ever wonder why China put so many of the huge ghost cities out in the middle of nowhere? A lot of those cities make no sense when analysts try and compare the official government line with their actions. I read a piece a couple of years ago, that the Chinese have something like 2 million more rural peasants moving (or trying to move) the big cities for jobs and a better life than the cities are capable of handling. There is supposedly a lot discontent with the rural population and the meager existence they have.
I did some searches on population grid counts and Chinese underestimating. Didn't find anything. As I mentioned, the piece was written sometime in the 90s and may have been before the internet (and search) became of age.
Thanks for the link. But you know I was joking, right?
> To: hosepipe
>> Maybe the Indians can nuke themselves when they attack
>> India.. OR some can escape in the submarines..
> Maybe you should apply for the job of Secretary of Defense
> to Obama. Obama needs talented people like you.
Obama is trying hard to bring down America’s defenses already.
> Here is what Arihant looks like.
Thanks. It looks a lot better than the Obama-funded electric vehicle that blew up and endangered the neighborhood.
You are both wrong.
Anyone can clearly see this is a very scary automatic weapon.
> Maybe they should outsource design/construction to the USA.
Why, so unions can make more money and fund liberal campaigns?
Freedom of speech is great.
It helps us to identify the idiots.
So if they went to war it would just be mother nature evening things out.
Heh. Someone must’ve added an ICBM image to the AK47 column of that “firearms guide for journalists” graphic since I’ve last seen it. Thanks for the update!
[ Seriously, try some geography lessons. ]
I read Sun Tsu... I suggest knowing more about Burma..
[ Maybe you should apply for the job of Secretary of Defense to Obama. Obama needs talented people like you. ]
He already has many talented people..
Like those that got Myth Romney selected as republican candidate..
Running the inventor of Romney-care against the inventor of Obama-care was pure genius..
Republicans are such dopes.. quite delusional..
Ultimately, nukular war is more likely than anything else as the means nature chooses to correct overpopulation. Man’s dark side is nature in action.
Chuck passed a long this link: Chinese population may swell to 1.5b
Follow the comment's links from the article.