Paul Ryan's Slick Healthcare Plan

Economic Policy Journal.com ^ | Robert Wenzel

[D-fendr]

How do you see allowing the consumer to make price based decisions and introducing price-competition into the market not decreasing cost?

Are you really a “free enterpriser” or do you not understand the basic concepts?

[nickcarraway]

So Obama is used as a threat so that we have to embrace socialism with open arms. Have you ever considered that Obama is thrilled that you know want the United States to become a socialist country?

[D-fendr]

Good grief Nick, if Ryan is a socialist, you’re a unicorn.

This is absurd.

[D-fendr]

Here:

http://miltonfriedman.blogspot.com/

[nickcarraway]

Okay, he just wants socialized medicine, he’s not a socialist. Is that okay for you? (Oh yeah, he wants some cuts in spending, but the significant cuts are always five years out)

[Kickass Conservative]

Even us mean uncaring Conservatives believe in a Safety Net. We only get pissed when it turns into a Hammock and the “entitled” are eating Steak while we eat Ground Round.

As my dear late Mother always said, “you help people who CAN'T help themselves, not people who WON'T help themselves”.

My Mother's Sister lost her sight to Glaucoma back in the 40’s. Back then the only thing a Doctor could do is remove your Eyeballs if the pain was too intense. There was no treatment available as there is today, so she went Blind. She is 88 Years Old and never complains as much as all the idiot Liberals do day in and day out.

Before I was born, my Aunt was going to work sewing Garments in what many today would consider a sweat shop. Her Blindness didn't make her helpless. When the place closed down and another job was elusive, my Mother and Father had to force her to go to the Welfare Office to get help. I think she ended up getting $10 a week and she got off it six months later when she found a job doing assembly work.

My patience wears thin when able bodied people expect their Neighbors to pay their bills because life ain't fair. Well, if life was fair, Obama would be serving Bill Clinton Coffee every morning at the Whorehouse.

[Praxeologue]

How do you see allowing the consumer to make price based decisions and introducing price-competition into the market not decreasing cost?

As we discussed above, Ryan's original plan would have introduced market-based pricing that would have saved money. Ryan's March plan moved back toward a defined benefit program that appears to remove the benefits of his original defined contribution plan. My current problem is that his current proposal is too vague to reach a conclusion. It sets of my warning bells, however.

As for fighting among ourselves, if that is your concern, I can think of no better venue that FR for a free discussion, unfettered by the formal position of the Republican Party.

[mkjessup]

Look Doll, I don't have to shoot any messenger. The 'messengers' who seem happy to disseminate and spread around the sort of anti-Ryan crap this guy Wenzel is spewing are the ones doing the shooting.

Now you can use your cap letters all day and all night when you yammer away about how we must "LISTEN TO FACTS YOU DO NOT LIKE" however that does not diminish the inconvenient fact that threads like this produce tangible benefits for one candidate or another.

So ask yourself: "who benefits?"

[D-fendr]

No, Nick, it’s not good enough. It’s lobbing spitballs from the sideline. Only it’s not a game anymore, it’s our country’s future.

I’m sorry, I’m not in the mood for it anymore.

[okie01]

True, but we cannot afford Medicare in its current form, largely because it encourages waste and inefficiency.

Do you not think that insurance companies will do a far better job of recognizing and effectively dealing with fraud, waste and inefficiency than the federal government ever could?

[mkjessup]

I welcome debate on how fast and how far when it comes to this nation’s severe economic problems.
But rear guard action now? No. We don’t have the luxury of that debate. Now is the time to fight, to join any and all allies in the fight.

Correct. All the wannabe admirals, generals and economic/health care policy wonks are always eager to jump up and shriek about the deficiencies of this plan, that plan, or any plan. If we were all in a foxhole, those jokers would be counting how many bullets are being fired, and how many we can't afford, instead of just grabbing a g*ddamned gun and opening fire on the ENEMY.

[D-fendr]

The only worthy discussion for the next three months is how to remove the current regime from power.

After that, we can discuss..

[Praxeologue]

Do you not think that insurance companies will do a far better job of recognizing and effectively dealing with fraud, waste and inefficiency than the federal government ever could?

I completely agree. The government should stay out of health care as much as possible. However, that is not what Ryan's current proposal provides; his earlier proposals, yes, but not his current proposal.

Aren't we supposed to be keeping these guys' feet to the fire? I thought that was part of FR's mission in the new Romney world.

[mkjessup]

So Obama is used as a threat so that we have to embrace socialism with open arms. Have you ever considered that Obama is thrilled that you now want the United States to become a socialist country?

I never said or suggested any such thing Nick. Have you ever considered that 0bama is thrilled by the never ending attacks on his adversaries by people who OUGHT to be, if not supporting the only political party with a shot at throwing the Kenyan douchebag out on his ears, at least refraining from sabotaging the effort?

We all wanted a more conservative candidate, and a more conservative ticket. We didn't get it. Now we have a choice between 0bama and his opponent, which happens to be Mitt Romney. I will say that Romney made not a good, but a superb choice in selecting Paul Ryan to be his VP candidate. It took only a few hours for the attacks on Ryan to begin, sadly by some of our own.

[nickcarraway]

Well, someone has to stick up for this country. We have two presidential candidate who came up with the healthcare plan. Maybe you like it, but someone has to dissent. Someone has to stick up for the country.

[nickcarraway]

They are both Keynesian dbags. And you want to send the message to Romney that he can ignore that he can totally ignore conservatives? You want to tell them they should govern from the left?

[D-fendr]

I’m sorry but I don’t see your dissent as sticking up for this country. I see fighting to defeat the current regime as sticking up for this country.

It’s down to three months. Choose to fight against one or the other or sit it out.

[Domalais]

You’re supposed to vote for establishment candidates and then be happy that they are 0.00001% better than “the other guy!” And you, Mr. Thinky McWaitAMinute, and screwing it up.

Don’t you know that the proper time to have a discussion is after it’s too late to do anything about it?

[D-fendr]

If Romney/Ryan beats Obama/Biden, you think the message is the left wins?

That’s, again, absurd.

[chris37]

Oh, OK, I’ll be sure to vote for Obama then.