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Dem electoral strategy convince Grandparents to throw Grandchildren off fiscal cliff
Legal Insurrection ^ | 8/13/12 | William Jacobson

Posted on 08/13/2012 6:09:29 AM PDT by Lakeshark

There is no more misleading imagery than the ad run by Democrats in which a Paul Ryan-looking figure throws Granny off a cliff due to Medicare cuts: (Ad at link)

The ad has it exactly opposite to reality. Republican proposals would keep Medicare the same for people already in the system or 10 years away from entering the system. Nothing would affect Granny, but restructuring would save Medicare for future generations while easing the national debt burden.
**snip**
Mediscare is an age-old Democratic tactic, but this time it’s different because left as is Medicare goes bankrupt in Granny’s lifetime and bursts a ballooning national debt.

Mediscare no longer is about Granny, it’s about Granny’s grandchildren being saddled with crushing debt.
**snip**
The Democratic Party electoral strategy in 2012 asks Grandparents to do something which is not in the natural order, to throw their grandchildren off a fiscal cliff.

Once grandparents understand what they are being asked to do, they will revolt against the Democrats’ revolting electoral strategy.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; biden; dems2012strategy; election2012; fiscalcliff; liesandmorelies; mediscare; obamacare; romney; ryan
It boils down to this: Reform it, or throw your grandkids off the cliff. Heck it's so bad they won't even have a cliff, it'll be like falling off of Mt Everest.
1 posted on 08/13/2012 6:09:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

I don’t agree, a majority of seniors have proven to be some of the greediest citizens. From the Greatest Generation on down - people have been feed and bred on government entitlements and they love them. They love them so much that they are willing to sell out their kids and their grandkids so that they can maintain the status quo.


2 posted on 08/13/2012 6:13:08 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Lakeshark

Not merely class warfare, generational warfare too.

Whether the majority of retirement-age folks know or acknowledge it or not, the Obamacare provisions have ALREADY stripped away much of the “safety net” they once had with Medicare and to a lesser extent, with Social Security. To continue with Obama in office is to perpetuate this self-immolation of the elderly.

To no benefit of the younger folks either.


3 posted on 08/13/2012 6:16:06 AM PDT by alloysteel (Voter suppression is needed now more than ever. Only, whom shall be suppressed?)
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To: alloysteel
Give granny a vicodin, then push her off the cliff. The Obama fix.

:-)

4 posted on 08/13/2012 6:20:29 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

Nice to see that others are catching up to me. I’ve been saying for months now that if the country wants a 4 Trillion Dollar government, then the country should PAY for a 4 Trillion Dollar government. And the ONLY way to do that is to raise taxes on the Middle Class...and BIG TIME.

The alternatives - (1) Cut Spending - but that will not happen, as even the seniors on this site feel they are ENTITLED to the output of my kids and future grand kids work (they call their transfer program Social Security), and the poor and lower middle classes are not about to give up their welfare programs either. (2) Spend the Country Broke - this is DEFINITELY the path we’re on - and we WILL wind up like a Third World nation, once the Chinese (and others) pull the plug. They still have a slight hope that we’ll really try to honor our debts - but once that hope is over, no more freebies, and say hello to hyper-inflation.


5 posted on 08/13/2012 6:22:57 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Cathy
I don’t agree, a majority of seniors have proven to be some of the greediest citizens.

Don't say that here. Even on "arch conservative" FR, you will get a ton of responses that seniors paid all their lives for their benefits and that no one should touch them. Its evidence of how screwed we are that even conservatives don't want anyone touching their Social Security and Medicare.

6 posted on 08/13/2012 6:26:06 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Lakeshark

Convince grand kids the only cool option is to vote for Zero.


7 posted on 08/13/2012 6:27:36 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Lakeshark

It is too late. Their grandkids are already affected.

I was in Kroger this morning behind a very obese young woman very casually dressed, separating out her WICs/SNAP purchases to maximize the WICs certificate value (use it all). She then pulled out a Georgia Peach Card (EBT) to pay for the rest.

Finally, when all that was complete, she pulled out her own credit card and told the cashier to give her 3 CARTONs of Marlboro Special Blend (3X$58) $174. We give her money for food - found money - and she spends the rest of what she has on cigarettes. This is a very, very common occurence up here in North Georgia.

According to recent reports, we have 100 million Americans on some sort of government Welfare. This doesn’t include Social Security or Medicare, apparently.

I’ve concluded that under Obama for 4 more years will just grow and metasticize this until it all comes crashing down, and he can then implement what he really wants.


8 posted on 08/13/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Cathy
a majority of seniors have proven to be some of the greediest citizens.

I hate to agree with you, but having lived many years in Pennsylvania I see it all to clearly. In just about any election around here one of the front and center issues is invariably "Free Stuff for Senior Citizens".

Back when Pennsylvania was trying to become one of the first states with a lottery in order to get the votes they agreed to dedicate all proceeds to Free Stuff for Senior Citizens. In the intervening years we have had many budget crises, and higher priority needs. But if you proposed taking any money out of the lottery they reacted as if you were standing on their air hose. We actually have to come up with MORE free stuff to give them in years when the Lottery runs a surplus!


9 posted on 08/13/2012 6:45:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: alloysteel

I say everybody should take a look at 1965 and ask themselves if they’re really better off now than they were then.

Most of today’s youth would be suicidal if they were technologically pushed back to 1985. I hate to think how they would feel if the fiscal responsibility were rolled back to 1965 and that isn’t enough.


10 posted on 08/13/2012 6:50:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: alloysteel

“Whether the majority of retirement-age folks know or acknowledge it or not, the Obamacare provisions have ALREADY stripped away much of the “safety net” they once had with Medicare and to a lesser extent, with Social Security.”

You are correct!. However, the problem we face is that grandma and grandpa have not yet felt the effects of Obamacare changes. The legislation deliberately delayed the pain until after the 2012 election. What grandma and grandpa are hearing from the AARP, the mainstream media, and Democrat politicians is that everything is wonderful and the evil Republicans are conspiring to take their earned benefits away and give the money to the rich. Until people actually feel the pain, they will not believe.

The Marxist strategy is brilliant. Use the votes of the grandparents to put a yoke over the shoulders of the grandchildren in 2008 and 2012. Then, after winning in 2012, implement the programs that will wipe out grandma and grandpa. Specifically:

1) Reduce compensation to doctors so they will not take new elderly patients.
2) Add millions of beneficiaries to the total health care system while at the same time implementing policies that reduce the number of physicians. Deliberately create shortages of services and then allocate the available services through the bureaucracy to government favored groups.
3) Push first line of care for the elderly to nurse practitioners and physician assistants who are less able to diagnose life threatening diseases early, when they can be cured.
4) Put age limits on drugs and surgical procedures that extend life or improve the quality of life. Deliberately reduce quality of life for the elderly in order to make step #7 easier to accomplish.
5) Extend waiting times for procedures that are allowing resulting in premature death for those waiting for care (happening in the UK today).
6) Make the appeal process time consuming and confusing so few seniors will even attempt to get care denied by a health care bureaucrat.
7) Use aggressive “end of life counseling” to encourage euthanasia. Given denial of services will mean more seniors will spend their last few years in pain and limited mobility, these wards of the state may be susceptible to caregiver encouragement to take proactive steps to end life. Once the population becomes comfortable with euthanasia, it will be come comfortable with the involuntary termination of the lives of Alzheimer’s patients, patients in comas, and the mentally ill.
8) Increase inheritance taxes to confiscatory levels.

Once fully implemented all of these programs and regulations will have the effect of causing millions of elderly to die prematurely, through denial of services, and will result in poor quality of life for millions of others.

The ultimate goal of the Marxists is to discard formerly productive elderly citizens once they are no longer productive and become a “burden” on the state. This serves to lower government costs (medical care and Social Security) and allows the government to harvest life savings before it is consumed by the retiree. It also serves the Green goal of population control.

Unfortunately, like many Jews in Europe in the 1930’s and 1940’s, today’s senior citizens will not realize what is happening to them until it is too late. What younger person will stand up for the elderly knowing she/he will go on a troublemaker list in the vast health care bureaucracy? After all, who knows when one might need a transplant, a blood transfusion, or expensive cancer drugs a faceless bureaucrat can easily deny?


11 posted on 08/13/2012 7:14:55 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Soul of the South

We’ve created a generation of potential executioners who have little respect for life other than their own and especially little respect for the useless old people who destroyed the earth and are the source of all the world’s bigotry and problems.


12 posted on 08/13/2012 7:26:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Soul of the South

Kudos for a fine post.

Have you ever read Vonnegut’s “Welcome to the Monkey House”?


13 posted on 08/13/2012 8:07:02 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: alloysteel

Indeed, he touts death panels to the youth and he touts infanticide for the health benefit of the elderly.


14 posted on 08/13/2012 8:08:07 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Soul of the South

It’s the Marxist Khmer Rouge method, ie. to promote stupid young selfish thinking throughout all spheres, dumbing everyone down, creating the Politicaly correct addled Marxist profile of the insane. This is Hillary’s Sesame Street Village of “everyone is good”.

“Traditional” societies have favored of the continued education of the youth by the elderly’s experience shared, but the bling bling “MArxist miracle” is supposedly free and can do away with that. Of course, that is not true, because it destroys all manners of passing on anything of value, and the bling bling is slavery and a prostitution business.

People voted for Obama for his cutes, and this blind worship of trickle down pimping economics is going to cost.


15 posted on 08/13/2012 8:24:43 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: alloysteel

Seniors would have to be pretty dumb to support the Democrat party that gutted Medicare in favor of Obamacare death panels. Seniors better wake up. A collective communist society gains no benefit prolonging their lives. Under Obamacare, the value of human life will be determined based on cost-benefit analysis for the collective’s “common good.”. All Americans better think long and hard about that.


16 posted on 08/13/2012 8:36:10 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Lakeshark
Democrats pit people against each other - like dogs in a 'fight to the death' ghetto battle. Blood lust. Nothing but lower class blood lust - the way of the gutter...
17 posted on 08/13/2012 8:41:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: Lakeshark

***Give granny a vicodin, then push her off the cliff. The Obama fix.***

What a waste! Process her into SOYLENT GREEN!


18 posted on 08/13/2012 8:45:25 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: Lakeshark
Democrats pit people against each other like ghetto dogs bred to fight to the death...

Blood lust.

Nothing but lower class blood lust - gutter snipes... the Chicago way...

Dems pit one generation against another - one class against another...one race against another...in dog fights - fight to the death.

Romeny and Ryan will stop them....

19 posted on 08/13/2012 8:49:03 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: Lakeshark

Most seniors view it as their right, and will sell off their children and grand children to get the $.

The basis is fear. Most don’t have the money to live off anything else but SS. The choice is their discomfort, or their (if they have them) grand kids at some future date.


20 posted on 08/13/2012 9:03:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Soul of the South

BTTT


21 posted on 08/13/2012 11:40:00 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Soul of the South
What younger person will stand up for the elderly knowing she/he will go on a troublemaker list in the vast health care bureaucracy?

I will. It is better to die with your teeth and claws in the throat of the enemy of the nest, and you get extra points for doing it with a good quip. God has something better for me than this.

(I have a cheesecake for anyone who identifies the source of the first part of my post, beginning with "It is better to die.)

22 posted on 08/13/2012 11:41:30 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("You're screwed, losers. Steyn 2012!")
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To: Tax-chick

Doorways in the Sand?


23 posted on 08/13/2012 11:53:36 AM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: 1035rep

Bingo. Address to send your cheesecake? (You’d have to trust me ...)

Or you can settle for Praise!


24 posted on 08/13/2012 11:57:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("You're screwed, losers. Steyn 2012!")
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To: Tax-chick

I trust you TC but I’m good.

:)


25 posted on 08/13/2012 12:03:50 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: Soul of the South

“What grandma and grandpa are hearing from the AARP, the mainstream media, and Democrat politicians is that everything is wonderful and the evil Republicans are conspiring to take their earned benefits away and give the money to the rich.”

They’ll need to work harder on that one.

AARP FL seniors-Boomer poll: Romney 46%-Obama 44%


26 posted on 08/13/2012 12:08:44 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: 1035rep

Well, get yourself a piece of cheesecake, and go read Doorways in the Sand again. It’s a good story.


27 posted on 08/13/2012 12:08:46 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("You're screwed, losers. Steyn 2012!")
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To: JudgemAll

““Traditional” societies have favored of the continued education of the youth by the elderly’s experience shared, but the bling bling “MArxist miracle” is supposedly free and can do away with that. Of course, that is not true, because it destroys all manners of passing on anything of value, and the bling bling is slavery and a prostitution business.”

The fourth and fifth generation of welfare dependents residing in the public housing of any major US city is proof of your statement. The elderly in the ghetto culture are passing nothing of value to the youth.


28 posted on 08/13/2012 2:59:37 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Lakeshark
Thanks for posting....

More on the Fiscal Clif ...links etc...video thread:

After Ryan Pick, Will 'Fiscal Cliff' Come to Fore?--(WSJ Video discussion --)

29 posted on 08/14/2012 9:29:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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