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Paul Ryan speaks in Iowa; protesters grow violent
Human Events ^ | 08/13/2012 | John Hayward

Posted on 08/14/2012 4:07:03 AM PDT by detective

Paul Ryan gave a campaign speech at the Iowa State Fair on Monday, addressing an appreciate crowd of thousands… plus a few protesters who grew violent, and had to be escorted from the venue by state troopers. The Des Moines Register reports:

The audience of more than 3,000, many holding up Romney campaign signs, hooted and cheered, but a handful of protesters shouted at him about cutting Medicare and “the war on the poor.” It was an intense 12 minute speech, with much shouting and Iowa State Patrol officer dispatched into the crowd multiple times to quell unruly behavior. One protester struck a woman in crowd in the face, and there was a report that state Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Red Oak, was getting pushed down.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012election; civility; democratcorruption; democrats; elections; liberalfascism; liberalviolence; paulryan; ryan; thugs
Paid Democrat thugs from out of town get violent at a Paul Ryan rally. I would love to have one these Democrat thugs start something with me. The punk would soon get a very effective lesson in courtesy and consideration for others. It would be one he would not soon forget.
1 posted on 08/14/2012 4:07:14 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

State troopers had to step in. Why doesn’t he have Secret Service? Hopefully, after this, he will!


2 posted on 08/14/2012 4:11:54 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: detective

This is more proof of the nature of this election. This is a battle between good and evil, and Obama hardly bothers to hide his nature any more.


3 posted on 08/14/2012 4:13:29 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: detective
Escorted from the venue doesn't sound like much of a deterrent. How about charges for assault for starters?
4 posted on 08/14/2012 4:14:13 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: detective; Jim Robinson

Violence goes the other way too.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhdXfCdaA8&feature=player_embedded

71 year old man wrestled to the ground at a Paul Ryan event. Paul Ryan had asserted that programs like social security programs and medicare were entitlement programs and the man went ballistic, rightfully so, I might add.

While these programs badly need reform, people who paid into them and are 71 or more are hardly in a position to go back to work.

Sadly, Paul Ryan treats it as a joke rather than answer the question.

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Then/when are they going to stop collecting the taxes we have been forced to pay for these so called entitlements? What about the retired Military’s Tricare medical it is also an ENTITLEMENT!
The Military on TRICARE LIFE are over 65, put in their 20+ years for sub par pay, long deployments and risk of life and limb, it was part of their benefits for those items being so bad.

CUT CONGRESS’ PLATINUM PAY and entitlements before you begin on seniors who are at the bottom of the barrel. Stop giving ILLEGAL INVADERS FREE HEALTH CARE and WELFARE! DEPORT THEM!

I am tired of being demonized because I got OLD and sick.


5 posted on 08/14/2012 4:29:05 AM PDT by GailA (IF U will not keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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To: GailA
No, you are wrong. On just about every point.

First of all, the guy had no right to 'go ballistic'. In a crowd, that is extremely dangerous and an invitation to get yourself restrained.

Second, SS and Medicare ARE entitlements because you are not receiving your own money back and nobody has for years. That money is long gone, stolen by Congress.

Finally, anybody over the age of 55 is going to see no changes. That's been made clear over and over again.

If nothing is done to this unsustainable program, it will go bust and you will get NOTHING. People don't always think clearly when it's their ox that the left is lying about. But if you don't calm down and get the facts, you are part of the problem.

6 posted on 08/14/2012 4:48:23 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: detective

Anyone struck by one of these thugs at a Romney or Ryan rally should consider a civil suit against them individually and name as a defendant any “connected organization” that put them up to it such as a labor union or PAC.


7 posted on 08/14/2012 4:51:00 AM PDT by laconic
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To: GailA

The risk to those currently receiving S.S. benefits - whether retirees, disabled or survivors - is that the system collapses. This risk is currently remote. But, the risk is growing with each passing year. The risk would be removed completely if we put the federal budget onto a glide path to balance and reform the entitlement programs so as to make them actuarially sound.

Nobody is blaming those who receive S.S. benefits, federal retirees, civil servants at the state and local level, or those who have fallen into the social safety net. But, the country is in the fifth year of depressed economic conditions, the federal government is operating deeply in the red, and many of our state and local governments are in dire financial condition. During the past ten years, the average family has lost 10 percent of its income after adjustment for inflation, and the number of people below the poverty line is now the highest it has been since we starting tabulating the statistic.

The President’s answer is to raise taxes on the rich. The tax increase he refers to would, under static assumptions, cover about one-fifth of the current federal deficit. In the meantime, he proposes about a trillion a year in new spending initiatives, so that the federal deficit, already very high, would greatly increase. That is not the answer. It would put us on a glide path to Greece, when the young people as well as the wealthy are fleeing the country.

I am not happy with either the Ryan budget or the Romney economic plan. But, those are the alternatives we have at this time, to the Obama budget and economic plan.


8 posted on 08/14/2012 4:58:25 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: GailA
But a 71-year old wouldn't be in the least affected by Ryan's proposed reforms. Ryan's proposal kicks in in 2021 for people aged 55 or lower today.

Perhaps that 71-year old - who is certainly old enough to know better - needs to stop listening to liberal propaganda and discover what Ryan actually proposed.

The following is taken from American Thinker

(Ryan's proposed program) begins no earlier than January 2021 affecting only those aged 55 and younger today. The plan has the following major elements:

Part A and Part B trust funds are combined to create one unified trust fund. The new Medicare Program and the existing program continue to be financed by trust fund revenues, Medicare payroll taxes, and general revenue contributions as done now.

By January 2021, insurance companies must establish competing healthcare coverage plans with specified benefits and limitations. Some would provide only high-deductible catastrophic coverage. Others could provide more liberalized coverage. Medicare would establish categories of generalized coverage. All plans which met specified requirements would become "Medicare certified" and eligible for premium payment cost sharing.

Each patient would select from the approved list a plan best matching his or her expected healthcare needs for the coming year. Medicare would reimburse the health plan a fixed amount of money for each enrollee for premium payment support. If the Medicare-provided assistance exceeded the premium required for the selected plan, that excess would be credited to a "Medical Savings Account" (MSA) for the beneficiary's future use.

Ryan currently estimates the reimbursement amount at an average $11,000 -- with further adjustment determined by income level. Higher-income patients would receive less premium assistance. Beneficiaries with annual incomes below $80,000 ($160,000 for couples) would receive full standard payment amounts; beneficiaries with annual incomes between $80,000 and $200,000 ($160,000 to $400,000 for couples) would receive 50 percent of the standard; and beneficiaries with incomes above $200,000 ($400,000 for couples) would receive 30 percent.

After enrollment in a plan, all beneficiaries could, at their option, undergo an annual health "risk adjustment" examination. Results of this exam would be submitted to Medicare and become eligible for a higher risk-adjusted premium payment.

To further assist those individuals with incomes near or below the poverty level, Ryan proposes additional payments above just premium support. While any enrollee, regardless of income level, would be able to set up a tax-free MSA if desired, the new Medicare Program would specifically establish and fund an MSA for low-income beneficiaries to help them with deductible payments required for care procedures. The amount paid to those below the government-established poverty level would be equal to the deductible for the average Medicare high-deductible health plan. Those with incomes at or 50 percent above the poverty level would receive 75 percent of the full deposit.

Recognizing that Americans are becoming healthier than ever before and living much longer, Ryan further proposes that a phase-in of the start of the new Medicare program would, after 2021, be raised in a slow incremental fashion from the current age 65 to 69 years 6 months.

Hope this is helpful.

9 posted on 08/14/2012 5:02:48 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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To: GailA

“While these programs badly need reform, people who paid into them and are 71 or more are hardly in a position to go back to work.

Sadly, Paul Ryan treats it as a joke rather than answer the question”.

Gail, in theory based on the Ryan plan, no one over the age of 55 is going to see any changes to medicare or SS.

The 71 year old ought to know that. Paul Ryan is not the kind of man to treat anything related to our out of control Federal budget as a joke.

...and finally, if the Republic is truly broke, and that is reality when you consider the debt, deficit, and present spending orgy, everyone needs to be on board with whatever is necessary to bring about sanity in govt.

I say that as a military retiree, on SS. We better get used to whatever suffering is going to be necessary or pass the troubles onto the succeeding generations. A scenario inconsistent with American values, IMHO.

I’m betting you of all people as a graduate of the FR class of ‘98 fully understand the consequences if we of this generation fail in our efforts to spare the next generation what we are responsible for. It is our votes and selections in Congress and allowing it to continue to this point, that is the problem.


10 posted on 08/14/2012 5:10:27 AM PDT by wita
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To: GailA
“71 year old man wrestled to the ground at a Paul Ryan event.”

The man was yelling and screaming and disrupting the event. That is why police were forced to subdue him.

Paul Ryan's proposals don't effect current recipients at all. They are attempts to save a program that is fiscally insolvent and certain to go bankrupt in the future.

Nobody is demonizing the elderly or telling them to go back to work.

11 posted on 08/14/2012 5:14:05 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

Here in Wisconsin we had to put up with those screaming lunatics for a year before the recall election forced by their efforts finally shoved all of them back into their holes. They couldn’t imagine that everyone didn’t think the same as them. The left is violent and fundamentally ignorant.


12 posted on 08/14/2012 5:14:46 AM PDT by zagger
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To: AnAmericanMother

Nice try...

so your plan is to throw two generations of people out onto the street?

This monstrosity needs to go away, but you cannot do that unless you have no moral compass..

How do we do this? easy, if you drop the emotions and use your brain...

First, current recipients are to have benefits cut 7% and frozen. This will prevent homelessness and starvation for those who cannot do anything about their current situation..

If you are between, say, 50 years old and retirement age, your current and projected payments are cut 10% and frozen, no cost of living or inflation adjustments. These people have a little time to plan and make adjustments.

If you are between 40 and 50 years old, projected payments at the current time are cut 30% and frozen. You will pay a little more into the system. You will get generous tax breaks to offset the money paid.

If you are between 30 and 40 years old, your projected benefits will be cut 60% and frozen. You will pay what the above pays, but will get even more generous tax breaks to offset the payment.

If you are under 30, you will get nothing. You will pay far less than the other 2 groups above. You will get the best tax breaks to offset this payment.

two generations and this thing is gone. Those that have not planned have the time to do so without being thrown out onto the streets.

With this plan everyone currently breathing pays a penalty to get rid of this thing. Not easy, but far better than the alternative.

Now, what is your suggestion? Or do you just complain and not think about what can be done?


13 posted on 08/14/2012 5:20:21 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: GailA
What you should be tired of is being LIED TO and MANIPULATED by ruthless Democrat politicians who needlessly scare Seniors while at the same time are making decisions that really could end in disaster for all.

Why do you fall for it time and again??????

14 posted on 08/14/2012 5:22:40 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("Obama has created a government that's not too big to fail, but too big to succeed." Sarah Palin)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thank you!


15 posted on 08/14/2012 5:23:04 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will j rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: detective

The trolls are desperate. The post is about violence from leftwingers and they have tried to change the focus to lies about Ryan’s medicare plan.


16 posted on 08/14/2012 5:35:19 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Mygirlsmom; All
"Why do you fall for it time and again?"
*Adult Attention Deficit Disorder/*
...b/c in my considered opinion...*nevermind*..Oh! Oprah's is on......*mind blanks out*
*/AADD*

17 posted on 08/14/2012 5:36:33 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks!


18 posted on 08/14/2012 5:37:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.)
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To: Truth29
Escorted from the venue doesn't sound like much of a deterrent. How about charges for assault for starters?

Exactly, somebody starts pushing me around, takes a swing at me... I will be pressing charges (assault) as soon as the fool wakes up in the hospital. One, I will defend myself, up to and including the use of deadly force. Two, I would want it publicized who this {expletive} is and why he/she is there (ie. explicitly to cause trouble)

19 posted on 08/14/2012 5:39:14 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: MomofMarine
State troopers had to step in. Why doesn’t he have Secret Service? Hopefully, after this, he will!

I would think he would rather have state troopers, than Secret Service hand-picked by Obama's goons. After 3 1/2 years, the corruption has likely spread everywhere.

20 posted on 08/14/2012 5:41:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: AnAmericanMother; GailA

Thank you AAM. I, too, an a “senior” and I know if I live until I’m 85 I will have LONG ago taken out much more than I put into SS and Medicare. GailA, you need to listen to what Ryan is saying, NOT the dem and media talking points!

They were scams when the started and they are worse scams now. Too bad we pretend they are a good idea. But once you start passing out goodies, it is almost impossible to stop the flow. The only thing that stops it is when there’s no $$$ left to hand out.


21 posted on 08/14/2012 5:46:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: GailA
I think there should always be something of a safety net for those who need it.

But the current system is a monster. People are getting many more dollars back than they put in.
Why didn't older folks today; campaign 30 or 40 years when there money was being stolen by Tip O'Neil and Ted Kennedy?

That money invested in the most safe; low return investments; would return you 3 or 4 times more than SS is paying you.

The liberals don't want that. They want to CONTROL you and YOUR money.

SS is a Ponzi scheme.

22 posted on 08/14/2012 5:48:39 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: detective

The union thugs were heard chanting, “We don’t have any ideas and we don’t want anyone to hear yours!” /s


23 posted on 08/14/2012 5:52:42 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: GailA

The Kool-Aid
Stop drinking it


24 posted on 08/14/2012 5:55:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: laconic
Anyone struck by one of these thugs at a Romney or Ryan rally should consider a civil suit against them individually and name as a defendant any “connected organization” that put them up to it such as a labor union or PAC.

We need hundreds of video cameras aimed at these thugs at all rallies. We need to show the world since the media won't and the video will come in handy for apprehending these people and prosecuting them.

*****

On another note, does anyone know if they ever caught that guy who was taped pushing the guy over and throwing someone's cell phone? I forget what the rally was about but they got decent video of him. It might have been a religious group protesting "gay" marriage.

25 posted on 08/14/2012 5:57:43 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: GailA
if you don't calm down and get the facts, you are part of the problem.

Exactly...Plus:

Using the letter "U" instead of the typing the word is an absolute sign that you're stupid...or a retard.

26 posted on 08/14/2012 5:59:38 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Redmen4ever
I am not happy with either the Ryan budget or the Romney economic plan. But, those are the alternatives we have at this time, to the Obama budget...

What Obama budget? It got Zero votes, and there has been no RAT budget for over 1200 days.

...and economic plan.

Obama's economic plan is to destroy the economy and implement socialism. (Bring it all down...Man)

27 posted on 08/14/2012 6:04:06 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: detective

The Nazis routinely sent goons to disrupt the events and meetings of political opponents...


28 posted on 08/14/2012 6:08:32 AM PDT by wny
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To: Right Wing Assault; All

I was wrong. It was an obamacare protest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr7x4sXOVmg

Did they ever catch this thug?


29 posted on 08/14/2012 6:22:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: detective

Back on point, can’t we apply the RICO act or some sort of organized crime statute? Thugs hurting people should be punished on more than just an individual level.


30 posted on 08/14/2012 6:27:17 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Pollster1

I expect it to get worse—maybe even bloody—I put nothing past the Thug Nation of Obama and his Unions Bullies. The dirty tricks have started and as Obama gets more and more desperate—expect anything—and watch the MSM blame the Tea Party for any violence! Going to be a wild and violent roller-Coaster ride til November. I pray for Ryan because I see they have targeted him—he must be destroyed! Ripped apart, and personally brought down by any means possible. Lies, rumors, half truths or what ever. Believe little of what you will see in the MSM.


31 posted on 08/14/2012 6:33:44 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: GailA

I read your rant. Now here’s the reality and truth.

SSI and Medicare are ENTITLEMENTS. So said the United States Supreme Court. You are not legally OWED a damned thing. Sure you paid in like everyone else that worked.
Your elected “leaders” decided to borrow that money to use on everything from food stamps to Robert Byrd’s Train Museums and the Iowa Roads to nowhere.

What you fail to recognize is that your tantrum only reiforces the mindset that it is okay for you to have Multiple bypasses and hip surgeries and a monthly check with yearly cost of living increases. All at the expense of someone who at the current age of 25 will pay a higher tax for both SSI and Medicare then you ever did, ALONG with paying for your perscription drug coverage that All that were retired before GW Bush signed the law NEVER paid a dime into. They can also look forward to paying into that system only to have it go belly up in another 7-10 years. All while watching the Richest Generation alive (you) live with your multiple homes, large investments and fancy cars bitch about having to pay a dime more for anything.

Some of us have had our jobs disappear, those that still have them have had to put in 60 hour weeks to keep them and no increases in 4-5 years or our hourly rates cut.

So please either revisit your “Facts” or side quietly while others pay your way. I myself at the age of 50 am getting damned tired of it AND your generations mindset your you are OWED something.


32 posted on 08/14/2012 6:34:45 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: detective

The REALLY fear Ryan and are doing about the only thing they can to try to stop him.


33 posted on 08/14/2012 6:37:39 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: detective; bcsco; Condor51

Too bad they didn’t get a good, old fashiioned, CPD hickory shampoo!


34 posted on 08/14/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
a handful of protesters shouted at him (Ryan) about cutting Medicare and “the war on the poor.”
It's *almost* beyond belief how clueless and STOO-PID these Moonbats are.
  1. Obama took $700+ Billion From Medicare to fund ObamaCcare.
  2. 1/3rd of ObamaCare is funded by Medicare money Obama stole from Seniors!
  3. Ryan's Plan does not affect anyone 55 or older.
  4. Those already on Medicare are not affected.
  5. Obama has stated he will VETO any attempt by congress to stop 'His Medicare Cuts'.
  6. Obama has cut $75 BILLION Dollars from future Social Security benefits.
  7. This past weekend 'Team Obama' was Touting about all these cuts, that HE made!

So much for 'The Elderly and The Poor'. And whose declared a 'War' them. It sure as heck isn't Paul Ryan or Romney.
The Moonbats should know all this if they are as *intelligent* as they claim to be.

Or they aren't that smart, or don't they listen to their leader Ihr Anführer??

35 posted on 08/15/2012 6:06:23 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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