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Silent Running: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks...
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | 08/14/2012 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 08/14/2012 7:03:19 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook

A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.

It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.

The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow.

The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities—forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: 911forgotten; bhorussia; billgertz; coldwar2; gulfofmexico; militarycollapse; nodocumentation; notruth; obama; putin; russiansub; securitybreach; sequester; usnavy
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DHS orders 1.2 BILLION rounds of ammunition, the Army is training for DOMESTIC insurrection scenarios, and the Navy is being gutted like a fish.

What could go wrong? /s

Is anyone else creeped out by the accelerating destabilization efforts of this corrupt regime and its Senatorial enablers?

1 posted on 08/14/2012 7:03:31 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook
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To: bt_dooftlook

This is outrageous. Correct me if Im wrong but a sub that close could lay waste to much of the country before they could even get Obama off the links.


2 posted on 08/14/2012 7:05:46 AM PDT by eak3
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To: bt_dooftlook

But, no whales or Dolphins were harmed by SONAR. puke


3 posted on 08/14/2012 7:06:05 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

There’s a bear in the woods.


4 posted on 08/14/2012 7:09:12 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: eak3
It has been disclosed that former disgraced President BJ Klinton 'fumbled' the nuclear football several times.

Given the gross incompetence and laziness of this president, what good would getting Dear Leader off of the links do anyway?

5 posted on 08/14/2012 7:09:19 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: bt_dooftlook

In the end there is a world political beast led by a man who makes a seven-year false peace deal with Israel.

I believe the USA is being dismantled by the NAU, NWO (oy I hate that term) crowd along with the current Choom Brother we have in office.

Does anyone doubt this country is being systematically dismantled?

The tinfoilers may just have been correct, after all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

“... we have before us, the opportunity to forge, for ourselves and future generations, a new world order ... when we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order ... a credible United Nations ...”


6 posted on 08/14/2012 7:10:33 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bt_dooftlook

America in DECLINE... anyone?!?! Four more years of Obama, then what... going to see the movie “2016”...


7 posted on 08/14/2012 7:14:07 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: F15Eagle
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance
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Obama: "We Welcome China's Rise"
CBS News ^ | January 19, 2011 | Stephanie Condon

8 posted on 08/14/2012 7:16:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: eak3

Cruise missiles would be 600mph or so.

From a Trident, the ballistic missile is exceeding 13,600 mph 2 minutes after launch. Of course, the platform goes sub-orbital before kicking off the warheads.

Have to assume the Russkies have similar tech.

Washington D.C. would be taken out in less than two minutes from the Atlantic.

Theoretically, the NAOC bird (rotated) would alert the TACAMO’s to trip the subs to fire. Then, Armageddon.

Unless Obama has been successful in dismantling all of this, too.

Given time, he will. I have little doubt.


9 posted on 08/14/2012 7:17:33 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bt_dooftlook

Janet Napolitano as Secretary of Homeland Security should be fired. Her incompetance is ignored and our shores are weak.


13 posted on 08/14/2012 7:18:27 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: All
NAOC and TACAMO




14 posted on 08/14/2012 7:20:03 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: dps.inspect
America in DECLINE... anyone?!?! Four more years of Obama, then what...

Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 — linchpin of our missile defense — might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...

15 posted on 08/14/2012 7:20:13 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: bt_dooftlook

Didn’t we spend billions on developing SOSUS so this could not happen?


16 posted on 08/14/2012 7:20:26 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: dps.inspect
From the campaign trail, February 2008...

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[not win it -etl]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert [they are NOT on "hair-trigger alert" now -etl], and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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"I will not weaponize space"

"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems"
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2008 Pentagon Report (March 2008):
China's Growing Military Space Power

By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], see U.S. Dept of Defense:
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf

17 posted on 08/14/2012 7:20:53 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Several times in the past I have posed the rhetorical question “Why would I vote for a guy who was acceptable to the same electorate that put The Swimmer and The Gigolo in the Senate for decades?”.

That incident is the answer to the question - “Because he hasn’t promised to throw the castle gates open to the encircling barbarian hordes”.


18 posted on 08/14/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dps.inspect
Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

19 posted on 08/14/2012 7:22:39 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: dps.inspect
We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html

20 posted on 08/14/2012 7:23:39 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: moonshot925

Red Route 1?


21 posted on 08/14/2012 7:25:39 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: bt_dooftlook; eak3; massgopguy; lormand; F15Eagle; dps.inspect

We had a SOSUS net that ran from the North Cape of Norway to Bear Island in the Arctic.

As soon as the Soviets left their bases on the Kola Peninsula, we could hear them.


22 posted on 08/14/2012 7:25:50 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: bt_dooftlook

dis-information


23 posted on 08/14/2012 7:25:57 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: bt_dooftlook

Payback for the US sub operating in Polyarny a few years ago?


24 posted on 08/14/2012 7:26:35 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: F15Eagle

This was Obama giving the Russians more space and flexiblity before the election. Imagine what he’ll give them after the election.


25 posted on 08/14/2012 7:27:44 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bt_dooftlook

During the run up of China thanks to our wonderful streaming of cash so it could realize it’s desires, I tried to sound the warning of what it’s threat in the Pacific could eventually wind up being.

Oh that was a hoot to some military folks here.

Why China couldn’t get within a thousand miles of the U. S. without our military knowing...

Now we find that Russia has done that very thing.

One sub off the Eastern seaboard, one in the Gulf, and one on the West Coast, and we could see a number of targets go up with little more than five to ten minutes.

Who’s laughing now?

Course why would anyone need to take us out, since we’re doing such a bang up job of it by ourselves.


26 posted on 08/14/2012 7:28:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: moonshot925

If we have enough operating 688’s and later to intercept.

I think we’re down to 60-some-odd 688’s - fires caused by lazy workers not withstanding. Active I mean.

Plus the Virginia’s, Seawolf, etc.

I know the Russkies don’t have many functioning boomers left but I think America has become too complacent.


27 posted on 08/14/2012 7:29:05 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ETL

Ah, a stinkin’ commie agent and Medvedev enjoy a cheeseburger.


28 posted on 08/14/2012 7:30:47 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bgill

Yes. I’m still expecting an October Surprise, if not earlier.

They want this clown in power. That’s why there was so much offshore money to his campaign.

And Hamas was making robo-calls to idiot Americans to vote for this clown.

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

A terrorist organization in Gaza making robo-calls to campaign for the U.S. Presidency.

It’s something out of a fiction novel. It’s spooky stuff.

And it’s real.


29 posted on 08/14/2012 7:34:27 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: DoughtyOne
Course why would anyone need to take us out, since we’re doing such a bang up job of it by ourselves.

I suppose many think that China and Russia have no desire to "take" the USA, and occupy real estate.

However, what if either power were to take offense to our overseas action(s) and "asked" us to cease and desist.

Roasting a couple of US cities may become a method to achieve that goal, to get USA out of their hair somewhere else.

A limited strike is certainly an active possibility.

30 posted on 08/14/2012 7:37:10 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: bt_dooftlook

I’ll say it again.

Eisenhower, Marshall, and Truman should have listened to Patton in 1945.


31 posted on 08/14/2012 7:37:28 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: stuartcr

Agree completely ....


32 posted on 08/14/2012 7:38:05 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: bt_dooftlook
All part of the “flexibility” that Osama Obama plans to show that KGB guy once he's given “four more years”.
33 posted on 08/14/2012 7:40:05 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: ETL

Unfortunately despite my desperate desire to do so I can’t comment on the main body of the story or the comments.

I will say the assertion towards the end of the article that Venezuela is going to buy 11 submarines including an Akula is absolutele nonsense.

They haven’t bought the three Russian Ladas that they’ve been supposedly “negotiating” for since 2005, and they couldn’t possibly afford 11 submarines or be able to man or maintain them, much less an Akula.

Take everything from Bill Gertz with a grain of salt.


34 posted on 08/14/2012 7:40:49 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: eak3
Correct me if Im wrong but a sub that close could lay waste to much of the country before they could even get Obama off the links.

And we would all be dead before we could even get a good debate going on whether those were sub missile launches or jet contrails.

35 posted on 08/14/2012 7:41:32 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: eak3

The Gulf of Mexico is a big place - lot of room to hid.
We have violated Soviet waters with subs, so it goes both ways.


36 posted on 08/14/2012 7:41:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: stuartcr

I agree, disinformation.

We probably were able to track the sub quite easily, but publicly we say we can’t so the Ruskies and others think we don’t have the technology.


37 posted on 08/14/2012 7:42:23 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: bt_dooftlook

Yeah,but OUR Navy has diversity now!


38 posted on 08/14/2012 7:47:15 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: F15Eagle; khelus

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a [] 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ..."

"Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government."

"Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html
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FReeper khelus provided the following links for reading/downloading both books in their entirety (free):

New Lies for Old:
http://archive.org/details/GolitsynAnatoleTheNewLiesForOldOnes

The Perestroika Deception:
http://curezone.com/upload/Members/ChazTheMeatHe/Books/Golitsyn_The_Perestroika_Deception_The_World_s_Slide_Towards_the_Secon.pdf
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CHINA...

"the new leaders pledged to adhere to 'Marx, Lenin, Mao' thought .. for 'a long time to come'"

China: Communist Party goes modern (Asia Times)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/DK16Ad02.html

39 posted on 08/14/2012 7:49:34 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: RadiationRomeo
Then why would we admit we saw them leaving ?

Would we not also be able to have seen them entering ?

40 posted on 08/14/2012 7:50:39 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Strategerist
From 2006...

Venezuela, Russia Sign Weapons Deal

Jeremy Wolland

Defying the United States, Russia agreed in July to sell $1 billion in combat aircraft to Venezuela. The deal marks the latest in a series of Russian arms sales to a state that has increasingly clashed with Washington over different ideological approaches to Latin America and the developing world.

Capping Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s July 25-27 visit to Russia, the deal’s announcement comes just two months after Washington said it would no longer permit new U.S.-origin arms sales to the South American state. At that time, U.S. officials said they were disturbed by Venezuelan ties to Iran and Cuba, allegations that Venezuela was serving as a transit point for arms and individuals of concern, and the Chavez government’s links to left-wing Colombian guerrilla groups. (See ACT, June 2006.) By contrast, Moscow has been a willing arms supplier to Venezuela, concluding more than $3 billion in weapons deals, including the most recent agreement, over the past 18 months.

The latest deal will send 24 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30 MK2 fighter jets and 53 military helicopters to Venezuela. Chavez also announced that Moscow has agreed to build a Kalashnikov rifle factory in Venezuela. Under a prior deal between the two countries, 100,000 Kalashnikov AK-103 rifles are supposed to arrive in Venezuela this year. (See ACT, May 2005.)

The Bush administration has questioned both the necessity and motives for Venezuela’s increasing expenditures and new arms buys. Department of State spokesperson Tom Casey told reporters July 25 that “the arms purchase planned by Venezuela exceeded its defensive needs and are not helpful in terms of regional stability.” He further urged Russia to “reconsider the sale.”

Russian officials defended their deals with Venezuela, saying that they do not break international law. At a press conference July 27 with Chavez, Russian President Vladimir Putin attempted to defuse tensions with the United States by asserting that “cooperation between Russia and Venezuela is not directed against any third country.”

Chavez claims that the military purchases are necessary for Venezuela’s self-defense, commenting July 26 that “it is a state responsibility to equip and train the nation’s military bodies. In my case, that is what I am doing, nothing more.”

In an interview the same day with Colombian radio station Radio Caracol, Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel echoed Chavez. “ Venezuela’s purpose [behind its arms buys] is to guarantee the country’s defense and not to attack other countries,” Rangel stated.

In the past, Venezuela purchased U.S. arms, including a 1982 acquisition of 24 F-16A combat jets, but new sales and the supply of spare parts have declined over the course of Chavez’s rule. Venezuelan officials say that this trend has left their military in need of new and replacement weapons and military equipment.

U.S. politicians have questioned how Venezuela intends to use any new arms imports. Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House International Relations Subcommittee on International Terrorism and Nonproliferation, said at a July 13 hearing that “it is the fear of many that these weapons, or the weapons they replace, will end up arming left-wing terrorist groups.”

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2006_09/VenRussia

41 posted on 08/14/2012 7:57:33 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Strategerist

“operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks”

“Take everything from Bill Gertz with a grain of salt.”

Yep.


43 posted on 08/14/2012 8:01:07 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bt_dooftlook
It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.

How would you know? If they supposedly didn't know they were there this time, how would you know?

Actually, now that NOAA is shopping for 46,000 rounds of ammo I feel much safer.

44 posted on 08/14/2012 8:04:55 AM PDT by GBA
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To: bt_dooftlook

If it came and went undetected, then how does anyone know it operated in the Gulf “for several weeks?”


45 posted on 08/14/2012 8:05:18 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: bt_dooftlook

BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT MEN CAN MARRY MEN IN THE MILITARY NOW~!


46 posted on 08/14/2012 8:05:18 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Strategerist
From 2007...

Venezuela strikes £500m deal to buy Russian submarines

· Fleet would help Chávez thwart future US embargo
· Sale to worsen relations between Putin and Bush

President Hugo Chávez is poised to buy at least five submarines from Russia in a £500m deal that will alarm the White House and confirms Venezuela as a growing military power in the region.

Mr Chávez is expected to sign the deal during a trip to Moscow next week. According to Kommersant newspaper, Venezuela has agreed an initial contract to buy five Project 636 diesel submarines, and four Project 637 Amur submarines at a later date.

Mr Chávez wants to use the submarines to thwart any possible future trade embargo by the US and to defend its oil-rich underwater shelf, the paper reported.

Last year he bought 24 Russian Sukhoi-30 two-seater attack aircraft, 34 helicopters and 100,000 Kalashnikovs. The deal was reputedly worth £1.9bn.

Venezuela - which has a defense pact with Cuba - is now the world's second biggest purchaser of Russian military hardware after Algeria. If the full submarine deal goes ahead, Venezuela will have the largest submarine fleet in Latin America.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/15/venezuela.lukeharding

47 posted on 08/14/2012 8:06:34 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: GBA

NOAA has to watch all that “weather”, ya know. :)


48 posted on 08/14/2012 8:10:26 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Strategerist
From Mar, 2012...

Vietnam’s Russian Restocking

SSK Kilo
Kilo Class cutaway
(click to view full)

In April 2009, reports surfaced that Vietnam had agreed in principle to a deal with Russia for 6 of its diesel-electric Kilo/ Project 636 Class fast attack submarines. There have been rumors that Vietnam owns 2 ex-Yugoslav mini-submarines for use in commando operations, but the Vietnamese People’s Navy doesn’t own any full size submarines that can take on enemy subs and ships. That’s about to change, thanks to a December 2009 contract.

Nor is that the only change in Vietnam’s military capabilities these days. China’s April 2009 display of naval might is only part of the mosaic influencing Vietnam’s decisions in these matters, as contracts for submarines – and far more – are being signed with its long-time Russian ally

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Vietnam-Reportedly-Set-to-Buy-Russian-Kilo-Class-Subs-05396/

49 posted on 08/14/2012 8:16:48 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Strategerist
From 2007...

Venezuela to buy Russian submarines, air defense systems - source

RIA Novosti

18/06/2007 MOSCOW, June 18 (RIA Novosti) - Venezuela is planning to procure up to 10 modern diesel submarines and several Tor-M1 air defense missile complexes from Russia, a source at a Russian think tank said Monday.

Russian business daily Kommersant said last week that during his visit to Russia, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez could finalize a deal to purchase Russian diesel submarines for the Venezuelan Navy. The contract reportedly is for the supply of five Project 636 Kilo-class diesel submarines and four state-of-the-art Project 677 Amur submarines.

"Most likely, [Venezuela] will buy five Project 636 submarines with missile systems..., but it could end up buying nine [submarines]," said Konstantin Makiyenko, Deputy Director of the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST).

The expert said the multi-billion dollar contract could be split into two or three parts, and include construction of submarine bases and training of submarine crews.

He also said the future deal would not be limited to procurement of submarines, but could include the purchase of advanced Tor-M1 air defense missile systems.

"It might be a multiple-deal contract...and in addition to submarines Venezuela will purchase Tor-M1 systems," Makiyenko said, adding that the country has long been seeking to acquire coastal anti-ship and air defense complexes "that the country desperately needs at present."

The South American country has been vigorously pursuing modernization of its naval fleet and coastal defenses to counter a possible U.S. blockade of its oil fields and prepare for direct military confrontation with Washington.

Russia has repeatedly stated that it would actively participate in the modernization of the Venezuelan armed forces until 2013.

In 2005-2006, Venezuela ordered weaponry from Russia worth $3.4 billion, including 24 Su-30MK2V Flanker fighters, Tor-M1 air defense missile systems, Mi-17B multi-role helicopters, Mi-35 Hind E attack helicopters and Mi-26 Halo heavy transport helicopters.

The country also purchased 100,000 AK-103 Kalashnikov assault rifles from Russia in 2005.

With the addition of arms contracts signed in 2006-beginning 2007, Venezuela has become the world's second largest importer of Russian weaponry after Algeria, which signed arms deals with Russia worth $7.5 billion.

The submarine contract or any other bilateral arms deals, if concluded, could become an additional irritant in the already testy relations between Moscow and Washington.

U.S. authorities have been increasingly concerned about the intensifying partnership between Russia and Venezuela, the world's leading oil producers. Washington has accused their leaderships of failing to uphold democratic values.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2007/06/mil-070618-rianovosti01.htm

50 posted on 08/14/2012 8:20:49 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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