Skip to comments.NOAA is buying thousands of rounds of hollow point .40 JHP ammo.
Posted on 08/14/2012 9:43:46 AM PDT by John S Mosby
"The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division, Boulder, requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following: LI 001: 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production. Inside Delivery to locations below:
(Excerpt) Read more at fbo.gov ...
Of the virtually ALL federal agencies that have added or enhanced their "enforcement" sections, is now NOAA.
In the vendor offering, the delivery address (note: inside delivery specified... no kidding for 8,000 rounds)is broken down as follows in the Department of Commerce: DOC (Dept. of Commerce), NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), NMFS (National Marine Fisheries Service), OLE (office of law enforcement), NED (National Enforcement Division).
So, who is OLE for NOAA/Dept of Commerce? From their website: "Formed in 1970, NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement has special agents and enforcement officers working out of six divisional offices and 53 field offices throughout the United States and U.S. territories. Headquarters are in Silver Spring, Md.
The primary geographic jurisdiction of NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is the waters within the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone, which covers ocean waters between 3 and 200 miles off shore and adjacent to all U.S. states and territories. Jurisdiction extends to protected marine species and national marine sanctuaries, however, regardless of their location within the United States."
For a real laugher find the OLE page Here: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/index.html
Look up, in the various divisions, the police blotter of cases--- right down to the small commercial fishermen, and EVEN enforcing international fish (for uh good relations with other nations). Recall the Gibson Guitar company raid to enforce the Lacey Act? THAT was the US Fish and Wildlife Agency (enforcement division).
Every federal agency is "strapping" up for something-- one wonders... what and against whom in our Republic?
The picture here is one of police, literally everywhere and "partnering" various other "units". For conservatives, who generally support the law enforcement community as limited by our Constitution, this is pretty disturbing.
Cornering the market. Driving up prices. Maybe the guv’ment has an equity position in the bullet manufacturing business.
Are they buying blue helmets as well?
freaked me until I researched it.
I know thinking of a rational reason isn’t usually welcome, but they do have security at their facilities under the NOAAOLE umbrella and 16K rounds isn’t that much.
Well First they came after the Cimate Change Deniers, but I wasn;t a climate change denier...
Then they came after people who drove SUVs, but I didn’t own a SUV
Then they came after people who didn’t have a smart meter installed, and I had a smart meter installed....
Eventually several years later when I was living in my mud hut they shot me for daring to cook my food by burning some firewood.....
“All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.”
At least the bullets that will be used by Obama to quash descent will be Made in the USA!
Still, you know the conspiracy theories won't stop.
I feel better than when I thought there might be armed hoards of weather forecasters out there...
so....the next time we are attacked by The Weathermen they are going to be ACTUAL Weathermen?
course, lost all of mine in that boating accident :-(
Oh, I don’t know. “Armed hoards of weather forecasters” wouldn’t be a hazard to the neighborhood like other armed governmnent groups are.
That and the Feds probably waste most of that..........
I hear that the hollow point .40 caliber is good for taking out dolphins and baby seals with one shot...;^)
Point one: 16K round is just this little set aside— there is much more ordered elsewhere. And these are not for “facilities” .... it is for Enforcement officers. Not guards at weather radar centers. So, for purposes of “rational reason” please get that squared away. Fisheries enforcement— and that includes RECREATIONAL fishing-— you know, people who fish to feed themselves. OK?
Given that set of “users” for this item:
What would be the “rational reason” for requesting HOLLOW POINT .40 JHP ammo? Do you know what that is? Here, let me help:
Hollow point ammo is designed for causing MAXIMUM organ damage-— they expand on entering soft tissue. In other words they blow through people, killing them.... not “restraining” them or “security at their facilities” in ANY other sense.
Just so you understand, tyranny, throughout history has been achieved through just such “rational reason” and establishment of a police state. “It’s OK they are federal agents”— should not be carte blanc in ANY rational conservative mind. Ask any White Russian (if you can find one).
I read info on this story earlier, and one location (New Jersey) was going to get 6k rounds as well as 500 paper targets. Doing the math, I come up with 12 shots per paper target. Sounds like annual qualifying to me.
waste of good meat, .22 would do for that. Reason for all hollow point is to make sure sidearms function with them.
All semi autos will eat FMJ, not so much with HP.
hee hee... good one
.40 is becoming a standard issue for all law enforcement agencies. Over the past few years, they have been standardizing their caliber sizes.
Good grief, we are starting to sound like the media and their ‘assault rifle clip’ ignorance if we think there is something sinister about buying hollow points.
Which is fine if it's a 135gr bullet coming out of a .40S&W, not so effective as you define with a 180gr. Never understood why they made them in that weight.
Imagine being a NOAA employee stuck in New Orleans during the lawless post-katrina time with NOAA computers and gear surrounded by looters.
that is the standard .40 round designed for penetration, good 180's will expand at close range. That is also what most factory .40 recoil springs are designed to use.
purpose of the .40 is less recoil than 10mm but more penetration than 9mm. This came about after the famous miami shoot out. (don't bring pistols to a rifle fight)
When you go to the fbo sites to see the breakouts of bids being solicitied, you will see that, prior to this time- the Social Security Administration and NOAA have never placed an order for ammunitions This is not been part of their yearly budgets. This is something new. And "rationally reasonable" citizens should question why.
You will also see that there's been more contracts opened for ammo and explosives since Jan. 1, 2012, than in the entire preceding decade, COMBINED.
Who's doing the buying? Beside the expected typical Army/Navy/Airforce/Federal police you might expect. But there are these NEW items
The Department of Agriculture. https//:www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8bb33b0ca7d8acf88bf764c7b57a7938&tab=core&_cview=0
The Social Security Administration is buying ammo? https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=6c39a2a9f00a10187a1432388a3301e5&tab=core&_cview=0
TSA is buying plastic explosives? RDX explosives (sure that's for training---LOL-- we already have ATF experts who know all about this stuff). https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=841df7511fccae65a083999234e23346&tab=core&_cview=0
More requests for ammo than ever before, and uniquely non enforcement agencies are being armed . Larger quantities than ever before: even as foreign wars wind down and there should be (and is) a surplus of ammunition. For what purpose? Even as our Justice Dept has sent thousands of firearms to Mexico to "prove" US citizens and companies are supplying arms to "terrorists", observationally speaking. And our veterans are categorized by DHS as a category of risk groups for terror!
The IRS??? But "it's not a tax".... but it is/ not...what?
Last I checked, they are indeed "armed" enforcement, although Harry Reid says that federal income tax is "voluntary".
Nobody I know personally, of course. 5.56 will be plentiful enough when the SHTF.
They are specifying "factory loaded", which is understandable due to the "Kaboom" failures with the .40 cal Glocks (guessing that's what these are for). Reloads are a primary underlying cause.
So the question is... Does it make any sense to do "Minority Set-Aside" type contracts in this situation? Seem's like a buy-re-sell while the Government gets a higher price.
Facts, verifiable bids and unique purchase items are NOT conspiracy based. They are facts,assuming that what is on federal sites is true.
In a representative democratic republic someone should be asking why this is being done. All very "reasonably" of course. We get the elected officials we choose and in the executive branch we have a red diaper doper baby... and there are FACTs to back that up. This "executive" has made executive dictat orders his norm, bypassing congressional and Constitutional oversight and extending his police powers over the citizenry. These agencies being uniquely armed to protect them from... the people who pay for them provably without congressional budgetary approval for the funding... these agencies serve this red "executive"
Very funny screenshot from "A Beautiful Mind" (a FICTIONAL story with this scenario that NEVER happened with the real Professor Nash) brought to you by Hollywood red diaper doper babies from Andy Griffith (little Opie dopie was the producer). Very important to separate fact from fiction and not take cues from red media. This IS happening- so sorry you think it a "theory".
Many apparently are comfortable with venture socialism (RINOs for instance) of any kind, even if it serves opportunistic leftist fascism on the political spectrum. Certainly it is comforting to large govt. contractors staying afloat or the Beltway Bandit parasites who represent them and lobby for them.
However, for regular freedom-loving law abiding conservatives it cannot be "business as usual" or yet another acceptable cultural new normal.
GunnyG and others with mil service... comments?
Don’t think that I’d practice with JHP ammo just to punch holes in paper targets. A little pricey.
OMG!! ANOTHER HORRIBLE FREEPER NAUTICAL TRAGEDY. At this rate we might end up with as many nautical tragedy victims as perished in the Titanic sinking.
Good point on the 180 grain round. I contend this is not for target practice. And, again the quanities listed are for the “set aside” bid... not the full quantities being ordered the remainder of which are not publicly disclosed. Thanks!
Designs like Speer's SB stuff will, but there is no specification in the bid.
You are forgetting...this is the FEDERAL GOBMENT.
“Dont think that Id practice with JHP ammo just to punch holes in paper targets. A little pricey.”
A little pricey? Since when did cost matter to the goverment? A case in point, Congress has not passed a budget in three years.
The entire Federal Government bought 1,000,000,000 rounds the last two years.
Looks like the storm chasers are going to be packing.
What about 180 grain and that brass?
Do you have any data on the Beretta 96, which is my semi-auto? I’ve never had any trouble with it feeding anything, including Russian ammo.
Thanks, missed your comment here before my last post about 180. 165.. got it.
It was fictional within the movie, too. Nash was going nuts and hallucinating those scenes.
In the past, men in all levels of leadership in government, business and politics tried to prevent panic. Now, it appears that people in leadership positions of all kinds have been trying to foment panic while using trashy tactics to compete for a declining pile of debt.
Hysteria in leadership. It’s quite a show.
And, as regards the security of these deliveries at their address one wonders about the oversight. Maybe too much imagination working but worth asking. Such is the level of distrust of these "polizei". Anyone who has served overseas knows what I mean, especially those who were operators.
Thanks Guys! Sometimes I need my fellow Freepers to pick me up & set me straight. This is the government. I shouldn’t be surprised if they’re specifying silver bullets in case they run into a werewolf.
Well said and agreed. I do see hyperbolic speech from all sides in politics now, though, along with many institutions of political correctness (examples: chosen candidates leaning effeminate and/or socially pathological, positions against working class family structure, exaggerated concerns about population while flooding our country with foreign cultures, local regulations against small manufacturing shops, environmentalism/NIMBY-isms for “property values,” loyalties toward enriching communist foreign nations and so on).
One solution might be to stop federal funding to state and local governments (to stop feeding the RINOs in local socialism), but that’s not likely to be implemented. All sides bow to Hillary’s multi-level bureaucracy (many federal-to-local funding schemes started during the ‘90s). Nevertheless, we need a conservative political party, but that won’t be formed by politicos who vie for the declining streams of foreign and printed debt.
Will Romney & favored constituent company really cut government spending enough to break the paradigm toward harder socialism? I doubt it. Each community supports its useless bureaucrats and anti-competition regulations and wants to continue the gifts to its neighborhood from Uncle Samantha. Even our applauded service “industry” is mostly dependent on customers with incomes derived mostly from debt (small manufacturing starts and new competition effectively outlawed and virtually missing).
Thus, we see only hysteria in contemporary political speech, because the factions want nonsense (to secure more debt to each faction as opposed to sustainable revenues for, for example, firepersons), strong families manufacturing useful products).
First, politicos campaign with shrieks of hysteria about what their opposition will do to their VIP constituents. Then, when in office, they impose “impact fees,” confiscate cattle from ranchers with false accusations, perpetrate schemes to levitate property taxes by fabricating false residential sales, violate other property rights (imaginings about zombie “property values”) and so on. Nearly all in politics are socialists, and each they run campaigns on their oppositions’ threats to our freedoms (which they all violate).
May their houses rot. Meanwhile, the general population decides against buying anything that it doesn’t need. In reaction, politicians and their favored constituents get ready for the “SHTF” while accusing their victims (what’s left of the private sector and the unemployed) of doing the same. There are only two families in my area rumored to have “tunnels and bunkers” on their properties, and they’re both government employed/pensioned and socially to the left (environmentalists, animal worshipers, LE-linked).
Most common Americans look at current politics (every level and faction) with disgustful fascination while trying to avoid the carnival.
BTW, your post was fine. We’ve also seen a morbid obsession with security in business and politics over the past couple of decades or so. Too expensive, IMO, and not the solution of better business and government.