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NOAA is buying thousands of rounds of hollow point .40 JHP ammo.
Federal Biz Opps Web site ^ | August 10, 2012 | General Services Administration

Posted on 08/14/2012 9:43:46 AM PDT by John S Mosby

"The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division, Boulder, requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following: LI 001: 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production. Inside Delivery to locations below:

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This is just the "set aside" small business bid from www.FedBid.gov-- and only for "qualified small business" (read: minority or disadvantaged-- you can look up the one interested vendor for their description--veteran owned, minority, etc). Who knows how much more they have "ordered" from elsewhere?

Of the virtually ALL federal agencies that have added or enhanced their "enforcement" sections, is now NOAA.

In the vendor offering, the delivery address (note: inside delivery specified... no kidding for 8,000 rounds)is broken down as follows in the Department of Commerce: DOC (Dept. of Commerce), NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), NMFS (National Marine Fisheries Service), OLE (office of law enforcement), NED (National Enforcement Division).

So, who is OLE for NOAA/Dept of Commerce? From their website: "Formed in 1970, NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement has special agents and enforcement officers working out of six divisional offices and 53 field offices throughout the United States and U.S. territories. Headquarters are in Silver Spring, Md.

The primary geographic jurisdiction of NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is the waters within the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone, which covers ocean waters between 3 and 200 miles off shore and adjacent to all U.S. states and territories. Jurisdiction extends to protected marine species and national marine sanctuaries, however, regardless of their location within the United States."

For a real laugher find the OLE page Here: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/index.html

Look up, in the various divisions, the police blotter of cases--- right down to the small commercial fishermen, and EVEN enforcing international fish (for uh good relations with other nations). Recall the Gibson Guitar company raid to enforce the Lacey Act? THAT was the US Fish and Wildlife Agency (enforcement division).

Every federal agency is "strapping" up for something-- one wonders... what and against whom in our Republic?

The picture here is one of police, literally everywhere and "partnering" various other "units". For conservatives, who generally support the law enforcement community as limited by our Constitution, this is pretty disturbing.

1 posted on 08/14/2012 9:43:54 AM PDT by John S Mosby
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To: John S Mosby

Cornering the market. Driving up prices. Maybe the guv’ment has an equity position in the bullet manufacturing business.


2 posted on 08/14/2012 9:46:46 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

Are they buying blue helmets as well?


3 posted on 08/14/2012 9:49:37 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: John S Mosby
This is for their game warden side, (fisheries) which I'll admit, did not know they had one, but they do.

freaked me until I researched it.

4 posted on 08/14/2012 9:49:58 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: John S Mosby

I know thinking of a rational reason isn’t usually welcome, but they do have security at their facilities under the NOAAOLE umbrella and 16K rounds isn’t that much.

http://www.osec.doc.gov/osy/noaa/noaa_security.htm


5 posted on 08/14/2012 9:55:15 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: John S Mosby

Well First they came after the Cimate Change Deniers, but I wasn;t a climate change denier...

Then they came after people who drove SUVs, but I didn’t own a SUV

Then they came after people who didn’t have a smart meter installed, and I had a smart meter installed....

Eventually several years later when I was living in my mud hut they shot me for daring to cook my food by burning some firewood.....


6 posted on 08/14/2012 9:58:02 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: John S Mosby

“All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.”

At least the bullets that will be used by Obama to quash descent will be Made in the USA!


7 posted on 08/14/2012 9:59:06 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: MrPiper
I didn't even think about game wardens, but you are absolutely correct there too. Accounting for both Game Wardens and Facilities Security, that actually seems like a rather low purchase.

Still, you know the conspiracy theories won't stop.



8 posted on 08/14/2012 10:01:31 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: John S Mosby

I feel better than when I thought there might be armed hoards of weather forecasters out there...


9 posted on 08/14/2012 10:04:05 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: John S Mosby

so....the next time we are attacked by The Weathermen they are going to be ACTUAL Weathermen?


10 posted on 08/14/2012 10:04:12 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: mnehring
Yes, I have heard d of some rednecks that have 6k of 223 in their house..LOL

course, lost all of mine in that boating accident :-(

11 posted on 08/14/2012 10:04:45 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Oh, I don’t know. “Armed hoards of weather forecasters” wouldn’t be a hazard to the neighborhood like other armed governmnent groups are.


12 posted on 08/14/2012 10:08:58 AM PDT by Pecos ("We hold these truths to be self-evident ..... ")
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To: mnehring
Most of those rounds are probably being ate up qualifying....every so often.

That and the Feds probably waste most of that..........

13 posted on 08/14/2012 10:10:12 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.")
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To: John S Mosby

I hear that the hollow point .40 caliber is good for taking out dolphins and baby seals with one shot...;^)


14 posted on 08/14/2012 10:11:31 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: mnehring

Point one: 16K round is just this little set aside— there is much more ordered elsewhere. And these are not for “facilities” .... it is for Enforcement officers. Not guards at weather radar centers. So, for purposes of “rational reason” please get that squared away. Fisheries enforcement— and that includes RECREATIONAL fishing-— you know, people who fish to feed themselves. OK?
Point 2:
Given that set of “users” for this item:
What would be the “rational reason” for requesting HOLLOW POINT .40 JHP ammo? Do you know what that is? Here, let me help:

Hollow point ammo is designed for causing MAXIMUM organ damage-— they expand on entering soft tissue. In other words they blow through people, killing them.... not “restraining” them or “security at their facilities” in ANY other sense.

Just so you understand, tyranny, throughout history has been achieved through just such “rational reason” and establishment of a police state. “It’s OK they are federal agents”— should not be carte blanc in ANY rational conservative mind. Ask any White Russian (if you can find one).


15 posted on 08/14/2012 10:16:36 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

I read info on this story earlier, and one location (New Jersey) was going to get 6k rounds as well as 500 paper targets. Doing the math, I come up with 12 shots per paper target. Sounds like annual qualifying to me.


16 posted on 08/14/2012 10:17:41 AM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: randog
I hear that the hollow point .40 caliber is good for taking out dolphins and baby seals with one shot...;^) .

waste of good meat, .22 would do for that. Reason for all hollow point is to make sure sidearms function with them.

All semi autos will eat FMJ, not so much with HP.

17 posted on 08/14/2012 10:18:06 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Buckeye McFrog

hee hee... good one


18 posted on 08/14/2012 10:18:08 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: MrPiper

Good t’know!


19 posted on 08/14/2012 10:22:06 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: John S Mosby

.40 is becoming a standard issue for all law enforcement agencies. Over the past few years, they have been standardizing their caliber sizes.

Good grief, we are starting to sound like the media and their ‘assault rifle clip’ ignorance if we think there is something sinister about buying hollow points.


20 posted on 08/14/2012 10:23:23 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: John S Mosby
Hollow point ammo is designed for causing MAXIMUM organ damage-— they expand on entering soft tissue. In other words they blow through people, killing them.... not “restraining” them or “security at their facilities” in ANY other sense.

Which is fine if it's a 135gr bullet coming out of a .40S&W, not so effective as you define with a 180gr. Never understood why they made them in that weight.

21 posted on 08/14/2012 10:27:37 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Imagine being a NOAA employee stuck in New Orleans during the lawless post-katrina time with NOAA computers and gear surrounded by looters.


22 posted on 08/14/2012 10:28:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: 03A3
Which is fine if it's a 135gr bullet coming out of a .40S&W, not so effective as you define with a 180gr. Never understood why they made them in that weight.

that is the standard .40 round designed for penetration, good 180's will expand at close range. That is also what most factory .40 recoil springs are designed to use.

purpose of the .40 is less recoil than 10mm but more penetration than 9mm. This came about after the famous miami shoot out. (don't bring pistols to a rifle fight)

23 posted on 08/14/2012 10:38:35 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: John S Mosby
Please keep in mind... that with Democrats in control of Congress.... with no Budget,ever... have OK'd these purchases in deficit un-funded spending. This is a pattern. To expand this for people who think noticing this is some kind of "irrational looney" posting:

When you go to the fbo sites to see the breakouts of bids being solicitied, you will see that, prior to this time- the Social Security Administration and NOAA have never placed an order for ammunitions This is not been part of their yearly budgets. This is something new. And "rationally reasonable" citizens should question why.

You will also see that there's been more contracts opened for ammo and explosives since Jan. 1, 2012, than in the entire preceding decade, COMBINED.

Who's doing the buying? Beside the expected typical Army/Navy/Airforce/Federal police you might expect. But there are these NEW items

The Department of Agriculture. https//:www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8bb33b0ca7d8acf88bf764c7b57a7938&tab=core&_cview=0

The Social Security Administration is buying ammo? https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=6c39a2a9f00a10187a1432388a3301e5&tab=core&_cview=0

TSA is buying plastic explosives? RDX explosives (sure that's for training---LOL-- we already have ATF experts who know all about this stuff). https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=841df7511fccae65a083999234e23346&tab=core&_cview=0

More requests for ammo than ever before, and uniquely non enforcement agencies are being armed . Larger quantities than ever before: even as foreign wars wind down and there should be (and is) a surplus of ammunition. For what purpose? Even as our Justice Dept has sent thousands of firearms to Mexico to "prove" US citizens and companies are supplying arms to "terrorists", observationally speaking. And our veterans are categorized by DHS as a category of risk groups for terror!

24 posted on 08/14/2012 10:42:40 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: GraceG
And then they gave the IRS power to fine citizens who CHOOSE not to pay (or cannot pay for) health insurance, provided privately or by our beknighted government.

The IRS??? But "it's not a tax".... but it is/ not...what?

Last I checked, they are indeed "armed" enforcement, although Harry Reid says that federal income tax is "voluntary".

25 posted on 08/14/2012 10:48:21 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: MrPiper
My wife had a Colt Commander with a terrible feed ramp. It handles 230 gr FMJ with that nice, smooth ogive. Tried some JHP rounds. The flat edge of the hollow point opening catches on the flat between the tiny feed ramp and the edge of the chamber opening. Useless. The feed ramps on a Glock chamber have a smooth surface, but don't fully support the case head. They always feed properly, the the case head balloons at the unsupported area next the feed ramp. The brass is unsuitable/unsafe for reloading after use in that variety of Glock barrel.
26 posted on 08/14/2012 10:52:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: MrPiper
I've heard of other rednecks that have that figure beat by a factor of ten.

Nobody I know personally, of course. 5.56 will be plentiful enough when the SHTF.

27 posted on 08/14/2012 10:53:27 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: MrPiper
The Glock 23C with a Jarvis barrel (fully supported case head) is perfect when feeding 165 gr 40 S&W. The brass is reloadable too.
28 posted on 08/14/2012 10:57:17 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: John S Mosby
This is just the "set aside" small business bid from www.FedBid.gov-- and only for "qualified small business" (read: minority or disadvantaged-- you can look up the one interested vendor for their description--veteran owned, minority, etc). Who knows how much more they have "ordered" from elsewhere?

They are specifying "factory loaded", which is understandable due to the "Kaboom" failures with the .40 cal Glocks (guessing that's what these are for). Reloads are a primary underlying cause.

So the question is... Does it make any sense to do "Minority Set-Aside" type contracts in this situation? Seem's like a buy-re-sell while the Government gets a higher price.

29 posted on 08/14/2012 11:11:58 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: mnehring
Dear Sir: You are not very clear on the quantity.. this is a set aside bid. Much larger amounts from elsewhere that are not listed at fbo.

Facts, verifiable bids and unique purchase items are NOT conspiracy based. They are facts,assuming that what is on federal sites is true.

In a representative democratic republic someone should be asking why this is being done. All very "reasonably" of course. We get the elected officials we choose and in the executive branch we have a red diaper doper baby... and there are FACTs to back that up. This "executive" has made executive dictat orders his norm, bypassing congressional and Constitutional oversight and extending his police powers over the citizenry. These agencies being uniquely armed to protect them from... the people who pay for them provably without congressional budgetary approval for the funding... these agencies serve this red "executive"

Very funny screenshot from "A Beautiful Mind" (a FICTIONAL story with this scenario that NEVER happened with the real Professor Nash) brought to you by Hollywood red diaper doper babies from Andy Griffith (little Opie dopie was the producer). Very important to separate fact from fiction and not take cues from red media. This IS happening- so sorry you think it a "theory".

Many apparently are comfortable with venture socialism (RINOs for instance) of any kind, even if it serves opportunistic leftist fascism on the political spectrum. Certainly it is comforting to large govt. contractors staying afloat or the Beltway Bandit parasites who represent them and lobby for them.

However, for regular freedom-loving law abiding conservatives it cannot be "business as usual" or yet another acceptable cultural new normal.

30 posted on 08/14/2012 11:21:04 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Osage Orange
.40 Hollow Point JHP would not be needed to range-qualify. Unless the qualifying requires use of body gelatin targets. Last I checked with fibbie friends... it doesn't . These purchases are stocking up. In the military there is an armorer who would store these properly. The delivery addresses are business offices, inside delivery. To where would they then be distributed?

GunnyG and others with mil service... comments?

31 posted on 08/14/2012 11:26:29 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Osage Orange

Don’t think that I’d practice with JHP ammo just to punch holes in paper targets. A little pricey.


32 posted on 08/14/2012 11:29:58 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: MrPiper
course, lost all of mine in that boating accident :-(

OMG!! ANOTHER HORRIBLE FREEPER NAUTICAL TRAGEDY. At this rate we might end up with as many nautical tragedy victims as perished in the Titanic sinking.

33 posted on 08/14/2012 11:30:53 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: 03A3

Good point on the 180 grain round. I contend this is not for target practice. And, again the quanities listed are for the “set aside” bid... not the full quantities being ordered the remainder of which are not publicly disclosed. Thanks!


34 posted on 08/14/2012 11:32:21 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: MrPiper
good 180's will expand at close range

Designs like Speer's SB stuff will, but there is no specification in the bid.

35 posted on 08/14/2012 11:34:42 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: Tallguy

You are forgetting...this is the FEDERAL GOBMENT.


36 posted on 08/14/2012 11:35:26 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.")
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To: John S Mosby
See post 36...........

FRegards,

37 posted on 08/14/2012 11:36:52 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.")
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To: Tallguy

“Don’t think that I’d practice with JHP ammo just to punch holes in paper targets. A little pricey.”

A little pricey? Since when did cost matter to the goverment? A case in point, Congress has not passed a budget in three years.


38 posted on 08/14/2012 11:37:40 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: John S Mosby

The entire Federal Government bought 1,000,000,000 rounds the last two years.


39 posted on 08/14/2012 11:38:28 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: John S Mosby

Looks like the storm chasers are going to be packing.


40 posted on 08/14/2012 11:39:19 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Myrddin; MrPiper

What about 180 grain and that brass?


41 posted on 08/14/2012 11:39:25 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Myrddin

Do you have any data on the Beretta 96, which is my semi-auto? I’ve never had any trouble with it feeding anything, including Russian ammo.


42 posted on 08/14/2012 11:40:31 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Myrddin

Thanks, missed your comment here before my last post about 180. 165.. got it.


43 posted on 08/14/2012 11:40:46 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

It was fictional within the movie, too. Nash was going nuts and hallucinating those scenes.


44 posted on 08/14/2012 11:42:39 AM PDT by expat2
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To: John S Mosby

In the past, men in all levels of leadership in government, business and politics tried to prevent panic. Now, it appears that people in leadership positions of all kinds have been trying to foment panic while using trashy tactics to compete for a declining pile of debt.

Hysteria in leadership. It’s quite a show.


45 posted on 08/14/2012 11:44:13 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop
My point exactly on the non budgeted purchases by the One and willing apparatchiks. It is quite a show, and quite disgusting.

And, as regards the security of these deliveries at their address one wonders about the oversight. Maybe too much imagination working but worth asking. Such is the level of distrust of these "polizei". Anyone who has served overseas knows what I mean, especially those who were operators.

46 posted on 08/14/2012 11:58:17 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: TexasRepublic; Osage Orange

Thanks Guys! Sometimes I need my fellow Freepers to pick me up & set me straight. This is the government. I shouldn’t be surprised if they’re specifying silver bullets in case they run into a werewolf.


47 posted on 08/14/2012 12:06:47 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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"And, as regards the security of these deliveries at their address one wonders about the oversight.

"Diverted" shipments happen. I've seen how "irregulars" handle inventory control for this type of stuff. Much of it (if not all) will sprout legs and slip away. Perhaps something for the boys in the hood around November?
48 posted on 08/14/2012 1:09:01 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: John S Mosby

Well said and agreed. I do see hyperbolic speech from all sides in politics now, though, along with many institutions of political correctness (examples: chosen candidates leaning effeminate and/or socially pathological, positions against working class family structure, exaggerated concerns about population while flooding our country with foreign cultures, local regulations against small manufacturing shops, environmentalism/NIMBY-isms for “property values,” loyalties toward enriching communist foreign nations and so on).

One solution might be to stop federal funding to state and local governments (to stop feeding the RINOs in local socialism), but that’s not likely to be implemented. All sides bow to Hillary’s multi-level bureaucracy (many federal-to-local funding schemes started during the ‘90s). Nevertheless, we need a conservative political party, but that won’t be formed by politicos who vie for the declining streams of foreign and printed debt.

Will Romney & favored constituent company really cut government spending enough to break the paradigm toward harder socialism? I doubt it. Each community supports its useless bureaucrats and anti-competition regulations and wants to continue the gifts to its neighborhood from Uncle Samantha. Even our applauded service “industry” is mostly dependent on customers with incomes derived mostly from debt (small manufacturing starts and new competition effectively outlawed and virtually missing).

Thus, we see only hysteria in contemporary political speech, because the factions want nonsense (to secure more debt to each faction as opposed to sustainable revenues for, for example, firepersons), strong families manufacturing useful products).

First, politicos campaign with shrieks of hysteria about what their opposition will do to their VIP constituents. Then, when in office, they impose “impact fees,” confiscate cattle from ranchers with false accusations, perpetrate schemes to levitate property taxes by fabricating false residential sales, violate other property rights (imaginings about zombie “property values”) and so on. Nearly all in politics are socialists, and each they run campaigns on their oppositions’ threats to our freedoms (which they all violate).

May their houses rot. Meanwhile, the general population decides against buying anything that it doesn’t need. In reaction, politicians and their favored constituents get ready for the “SHTF” while accusing their victims (what’s left of the private sector and the unemployed) of doing the same. There are only two families in my area rumored to have “tunnels and bunkers” on their properties, and they’re both government employed/pensioned and socially to the left (environmentalists, animal worshipers, LE-linked).

Most common Americans look at current politics (every level and faction) with disgustful fascination while trying to avoid the carnival.


49 posted on 08/14/2012 3:06:31 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: John S Mosby

BTW, your post was fine. We’ve also seen a morbid obsession with security in business and politics over the past couple of decades or so. Too expensive, IMO, and not the solution of better business and government.


50 posted on 08/14/2012 3:20:22 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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