NOAA is buying thousands of rounds of hollow point .40 JHP ammo.

Federal Biz Opps Web site ^ | August 10, 2012 | General Services Administration

[John S Mosby]

"The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division, Boulder, requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following: LI 001: 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production. Inside Delivery to locations below:

[John S Mosby]

This is just the "set aside" small business bid from www.FedBid.gov-- and only for "qualified small business" (read: minority or disadvantaged-- you can look up the one interested vendor for their description--veteran owned, minority, etc). Who knows how much more they have "ordered" from elsewhere?

Of the virtually ALL federal agencies that have added or enhanced their "enforcement" sections, is now NOAA.

In the vendor offering, the delivery address (note: inside delivery specified... no kidding for 8,000 rounds)is broken down as follows in the Department of Commerce: DOC (Dept. of Commerce), NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), NMFS (National Marine Fisheries Service), OLE (office of law enforcement), NED (National Enforcement Division).

So, who is OLE for NOAA/Dept of Commerce? From their website: "Formed in 1970, NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement has special agents and enforcement officers working out of six divisional offices and 53 field offices throughout the United States and U.S. territories. Headquarters are in Silver Spring, Md.

The primary geographic jurisdiction of NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is the waters within the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone, which covers ocean waters between 3 and 200 miles off shore and adjacent to all U.S. states and territories. Jurisdiction extends to protected marine species and national marine sanctuaries, however, regardless of their location within the United States."

For a real laugher find the OLE page Here: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/index.html

Look up, in the various divisions, the police blotter of cases--- right down to the small commercial fishermen, and EVEN enforcing international fish (for uh good relations with other nations). Recall the Gibson Guitar company raid to enforce the Lacey Act? THAT was the US Fish and Wildlife Agency (enforcement division).

Every federal agency is "strapping" up for something-- one wonders... what and against whom in our Republic?

The picture here is one of police, literally everywhere and "partnering" various other "units". For conservatives, who generally support the law enforcement community as limited by our Constitution, this is pretty disturbing.

[crusty old prospector]

Cornering the market. Driving up prices. Maybe the guv’ment has an equity position in the bullet manufacturing business.

[samadams2000]

Are they buying blue helmets as well?

[MrPiper]

This is for their game warden side, (fisheries) which I'll admit, did not know they had one, but they do.

freaked me until I researched it.

[mnehring]

I know thinking of a rational reason isn’t usually welcome, but they do have security at their facilities under the NOAAOLE umbrella and 16K rounds isn’t that much.

http://www.osec.doc.gov/osy/noaa/noaa_security.htm

[GraceG]

Well First they came after the Cimate Change Deniers, but I wasn;t a climate change denier...

Then they came after people who drove SUVs, but I didn’t own a SUV

Then they came after people who didn’t have a smart meter installed, and I had a smart meter installed....

Eventually several years later when I was living in my mud hut they shot me for daring to cook my food by burning some firewood.....

[Uncle Slayton]

“All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production.”

At least the bullets that will be used by Obama to quash descent will be Made in the USA!

[mnehring]

I didn't even think about game wardens, but you are absolutely correct there too. Accounting for both Game Wardens and Facilities Security, that actually seems like a rather low purchase.

Still, you know the conspiracy theories won't stop.

[bigbob]

I feel better than when I thought there might be armed hoards of weather forecasters out there...

[Buckeye McFrog]

so....the next time we are attacked by The Weathermen they are going to be ACTUAL Weathermen?

[MrPiper]

Yes, I have heard d of some rednecks that have 6k of 223 in their house..LOL

course, lost all of mine in that boating accident :-(

[Pecos]

Oh, I don’t know. “Armed hoards of weather forecasters” wouldn’t be a hazard to the neighborhood like other armed governmnent groups are.

[Osage Orange]

Most of those rounds are probably being ate up qualifying....every so often.

That and the Feds probably waste most of that..........

[randog]

I hear that the hollow point .40 caliber is good for taking out dolphins and baby seals with one shot...;^)

[John S Mosby]

Point one: 16K round is just this little set aside— there is much more ordered elsewhere. And these are not for “facilities” .... it is for Enforcement officers. Not guards at weather radar centers. So, for purposes of “rational reason” please get that squared away. Fisheries enforcement— and that includes RECREATIONAL fishing-— you know, people who fish to feed themselves. OK?
Point 2:
Given that set of “users” for this item:
What would be the “rational reason” for requesting HOLLOW POINT .40 JHP ammo? Do you know what that is? Here, let me help:

Hollow point ammo is designed for causing MAXIMUM organ damage-— they expand on entering soft tissue. In other words they blow through people, killing them.... not “restraining” them or “security at their facilities” in ANY other sense.

Just so you understand, tyranny, throughout history has been achieved through just such “rational reason” and establishment of a police state. “It’s OK they are federal agents”— should not be carte blanc in ANY rational conservative mind. Ask any White Russian (if you can find one).

[onemiddleamerican]

I read info on this story earlier, and one location (New Jersey) was going to get 6k rounds as well as 500 paper targets. Doing the math, I come up with 12 shots per paper target. Sounds like annual qualifying to me.

[MrPiper]

I hear that the hollow point .40 caliber is good for taking out dolphins and baby seals with one shot...;^) .

waste of good meat, .22 would do for that. Reason for all hollow point is to make sure sidearms function with them.

All semi autos will eat FMJ, not so much with HP.

[Mr. K]

hee hee... good one

[randog]

Good t’know!

[mnehring]

.40 is becoming a standard issue for all law enforcement agencies. Over the past few years, they have been standardizing their caliber sizes.

Good grief, we are starting to sound like the media and their ‘assault rifle clip’ ignorance if we think there is something sinister about buying hollow points.