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Americans Are Snatching Up Russian AK-47s In record Numbers
TBI ^ | 8-15-2012 | Geoffrey Ingersoll

Posted on 08/15/2012 10:48:31 AM PDT by blam

Americans Are Snatching Up Russian AK-47s In record Numbers

Geoffrey Ingersoll
Aug. 15, 2012, 1:17 PM

I'll never forget the first thing my ex-wife's father said to me: "Wanna go shoot an AK?"

I obliged.

It turns out Americans are turning to AK 's in droves to fill their home armories.

Russia doesn't mind, and neither do it's arms companies, like Izhmash, which are quickly shifting from military to civilian fabrication in order to fill all the orders.

Overall it's been a good deal for American enthusiasts, and for Russian investors, since existing laws banning Chinese imports essentially subsidizes Russian businesses.

Andrew E. Kramer of New York Times reports "And in the United States, Izhmash cannot be underpriced by Chinese competitors. The federal government has banned most imports of Chinese handguns and rifles since 1994.

Selling Saigas in the United States is integral to the enterprise’s evolving business model of making single-shot civilian guns to occupy workers and equipment in between government orders for fully automatic assault rifles. About 70 percent of the factory’s output is now civilian rifles, up from 50 percent two years ago. Of the civilian arms, about 40 percent are exported to the United States."

To be clear, we're talking about perfectly legal to import, and to own in some states, civilian versions of the AK-47. One shot, semi-automatic. These companies have cut back on their fully automatic, military versions in order to supply the U.S. market.

Due to the Second Amendment and America's widespread culture of gun ownership, the US market for civilian weaponry is among the largest on the globe. The AK has not only a violent history, .

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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ak47; ammo; banglist; guns; revolution; russia; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 08/15/2012 10:48:39 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
2 posted on 08/15/2012 10:50:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Got mine! Unbelievable weapon.


3 posted on 08/15/2012 10:52:20 AM PDT by rashley (Rashley)
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To: blam

I used to own one in 5.56mm.
Lost it in a tragic boating accident on a a deep river.


4 posted on 08/15/2012 10:53:28 AM PDT by american_ranger
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To: blam

The feel-good story of the day ...


5 posted on 08/15/2012 10:54:15 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: blam

The AK is as “American” as wood oven pizza and the French Bikini. It’s ours now, a part of American.


6 posted on 08/15/2012 10:54:48 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: blam; Joe Brower; marktwain

7 posted on 08/15/2012 10:54:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: blam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU


8 posted on 08/15/2012 10:55:13 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: american_ranger
I used to own one in 5.56mm. Lost it in a tragic boating accident on a a deep river.

________________________________________

I had the exact same rifle and the same thing happened.....weird.

9 posted on 08/15/2012 10:56:29 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

If either of us still had them, what do you think they are worth.


10 posted on 08/15/2012 11:06:14 AM PDT by american_ranger
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To: blam

“Selling Saigas in the United States is integral to the enterprise’s evolving business model of making single-shot civilian guns to occupy workers and equipment in between government orders for fully automatic assault rifles.”

The imported Russian weapons are ‘semi-auto’ not full auto. The writer knows nothing about guns. “Single shot” is different from “semi-auto”, whether the presstitute knows it or not.


11 posted on 08/15/2012 11:06:35 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: wtc911

While I wouldn’t mind having one, I wouldn’t have traded it for my AR (which by a weird fluke was ALSO lost overboard in a tragic boat sinking).

Lot of that happening these days...


12 posted on 08/15/2012 11:07:15 AM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: rashley

AK-47 accuracy is nonexistent IMHO.
The Saiga-12 on the other hand....
Mucho Funo.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 11:08:37 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: blam

One of the most cowardly things I’ve ever read.


14 posted on 08/15/2012 11:10:45 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: blam

It really is a shame about Chinese weapons and ammo not being allowed in. They were very high quality AKs, Not bad at all M14 clones, and very decent basic 1911s all for less than anywhere else, and the ammo was inexpensive too.

I do not expect anything to change with Romney, since they didn’t change with Bush either.


15 posted on 08/15/2012 11:14:34 AM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: blam

Waaaaaay over priced.

I’d love to have a 12ga, but not for that kind of money.


16 posted on 08/15/2012 11:21:04 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: blam

The Romanian version isn’t bad at all. We have two.


17 posted on 08/15/2012 11:23:51 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: blam

Rock River has a hybrid. One quibble it looks like direct impingement therefor bringing back the gunpowder back into the bolt area, but then again my AR shoots Wolf ammo well enough so maybe it is not a problem.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=558


18 posted on 08/15/2012 11:24:07 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: blam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRrc2n0NXg
19 posted on 08/15/2012 11:24:30 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: rashley

I want an AN-94 in 5.45mm.


20 posted on 08/15/2012 11:25:14 AM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: tickedoffnow

Man, there a lot of us klutzes on FR. I had a couple of guns once. I thought that I’d go target shooting in the woods a while back. It is the damnedest thing, but I lost those guns in some field.


21 posted on 08/15/2012 11:25:49 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: blam; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
I bought a Romanian SAR-1 years back when GWB was issuing those $600 'tax refunds'. Got the rifle, 1K rounds ammo, and 12 East German 30-rnd mags plus tax, shipping and FFL fees... all for less than six bills.

Of course, all of this fell out of the canoe years ago. A dark day, that was.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

22 posted on 08/15/2012 11:26:21 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: blam

GLUTTON! What, 500+ posts isn’t enough for you so you’re reposting the link??!?

(Actually, that is one of the most interesting threads I’ve seen on FR in quite some time.)


23 posted on 08/15/2012 11:30:47 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Travis McGee

Always curious about that picture. Anyone know who that woman is and what excuse she was executed for?


24 posted on 08/15/2012 11:31:53 AM PDT by Obadiah (If Reagan had another son he would have looked like Paul Ryan.)
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To: blam

Beware of variants made in China.

(In Vietnam we called them Chicom-56.)


25 posted on 08/15/2012 11:32:37 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: blam
Not bad for a rifle designed in ‘44 by Nazis.

(German Wehrmacht's Sturmgewehr 44 was the real basis for the “Kalashnikov”)

26 posted on 08/15/2012 11:33:23 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: wtc911; american_ranger

The fish are taking up arms.


27 posted on 08/15/2012 11:37:05 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: onedoug

http://www.norinco.com/c1024/english/productsandservices/index.html#

Milled receivers, right? They have the manpower, that’s for sure.
A stamped receiver is faster to make, lighter and cools faster.


28 posted on 08/15/2012 11:40:01 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: blam
GrAtIfiCaTiOn is a warm AK!
29 posted on 08/15/2012 11:40:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: blam

Lost my SKS after it fell from my canoe.


30 posted on 08/15/2012 11:43:02 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: blam
Izhmash makes great weapons in it's Saiga line - tough as nails and decent shooters. They are not nearly as refined or as accurate as a US made AR-15 type. But they are mostly cheaper and certainly help fill a very large market niche. Also, there are not as many aftermarket parts available and the magazines are more expensive. However, they are terrific weapons for the price and simply eat the cheaper Russian ammo (again, not as accurate as US ammo but good for shooting).

Anybody looking for a US made AR-15 type can find some really good choices at less than $900 and even a few nice stripped down ones under $650. Ruger also has a nice line of somewhat comparable rifles with it's Mini 14/30 Ranch rifles.

It's a buyers market out there these days for these types of rifles, and 0bama is apparently the best salesman around.

31 posted on 08/15/2012 11:44:12 AM PDT by Gritty (This election represents the last exit ramp before the death spiral - Mark Steyn)
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To: struggle

My SKS was lost in a kiln explosion.


32 posted on 08/15/2012 11:46:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: tickedoffnow; struggle; Joe Brower; Army Air Corps; american_ranger; wtc911

>> Lot of that happening these days...

I’m disappointed; y’all really should have taken better care of your guns.

I always took really good care of mine... but last winter the bills piled up and then my car crapped out and I had to get it fixed to get to work and I was strapped for cash.

So I sold all of my guns, the decent ones anyway, to a guy I met at luby’s; we were eating there and just happened to strike up a conversation... he was into guns, too... let me think, his name was Smith. Yeah, that’s right. John Smith.

I got John to sign a bill of sale with the serial numbers on it. I have it around here someplace in case it’s ever needed.


33 posted on 08/15/2012 11:46:40 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: AppyPappy

Mine? Bizarre Rice Krispie treat accident...


34 posted on 08/15/2012 11:50:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: american_ranger

I always wanted an AK since 1968! Finally I got a high dollar Valmet and it was great, except it was way too heavy and atrocious sights! Traded it off and got a chinese AK. Bought a bunch of ammo, took it home and found out the ammo did not match! Had to buy a SKS to shoot up the ammo.

Now the SKS has replaced my 30-30 Winchester but I still have the AK. Can’t reload as the AK throws the empty case into a galaxy far far away.


35 posted on 08/15/2012 11:50:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: bossmechanic

I haven’t really tested it for accuracy beyond about 50 yards, where I find it plenty accurate. Others would vehemently disagree with you.


36 posted on 08/15/2012 11:59:48 AM PDT by rashley (Rashley)
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To: blam

I prefer to build. They can just send me the parts!


37 posted on 08/15/2012 12:01:47 PM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: blam

Know what?

Knowing the kind of people who I would bet make up the majority of purchases - This makes me feel better about our nation.

It makes me feel SAFER to know so many of our citizens are arming themselves.


38 posted on 08/15/2012 12:03:02 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: blam

Know what?

Knowing the kind of people who I would bet make up the majority of purchases - This makes me feel better about our nation.

It makes me feel SAFER to know so many of our citizens are arming themselves.


39 posted on 08/15/2012 12:03:02 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym

Sorry for that double post.

My clicker finger had a spaz when I hit post!


40 posted on 08/15/2012 12:04:41 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Ya know, I was doing some welding in my workshop and a bird flew into the rafters. I looked away from my work for just a moment, and another bird flew in, knocked over all of my rifles into a heap in front of me. I dropped the welding rod on a pile of oily rags, and the fire department can tell the rest of the story.

So tragic.


41 posted on 08/15/2012 12:06:00 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: blam

If you are in the market for an AK-47, be careful. Russians did and do not have a monopoly on their production, and a lot of the copies, like the Chinese version, are very low quality.

You might consider some of the later Russian made models as well. Here’s a good guide:

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=465


42 posted on 08/15/2012 12:12:58 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: blam

Kin ah git me a huntin license heah?


43 posted on 08/15/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Man, there a lot of us klutzes on FR. I had a couple of guns once. I thought that I’d go target shooting in the woods a while back. It is the damnedest thing, but I lost those guns in some field.

Dog ate mine.
44 posted on 08/15/2012 12:15:52 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: blam

How much does one cost? New? Used?


45 posted on 08/15/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: rarestia

good heavens what a sad tale - i lost mine in an asbestos factory fire


46 posted on 08/15/2012 12:21:20 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: Revelation 911

Tragic... and what makes it worse was that the safe was open and the fire just spread right into it. If only that safe was closed...


47 posted on 08/15/2012 12:34:51 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: blam

There won’t be any need to disarm most people. They will simply raise the taxes, fees and costs of firearms ownership until most people just surrender their guns rather than pay the costs. Not all, but most.

They will put huge taxes on firearms transfers in estates so those willed guns will have to pay huge taxes or they can elect not to take the guns. Most people are not savvy enough to keep their guns out of their wills, so this will catch a lot of people.

There are going to be a lot of way they will try to get us to voluntarily give up our guns with taxes and fees. It will work for a lot of people.

This will also cause most people not to be able to afford new guns, so it kills 2 birds with one stone, dramatically dropping new gun sales while getting most people to surrender their weapons.


48 posted on 08/15/2012 12:44:10 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: blam

I have/had 3 of them. That is until the UFO came down and snatched them all up.

The first one I had was a fixed stock model. I bought it years ago for $150.00. Great shooter. Or at least it was until the UFO.

The second was a folding stock model. The stock folded to the side. Got it for $400. Another great gun until the UFO got it.

The third is a Ugo version with the underfolder stock. It has a sight for a grenade launcher. Cool gun. Those damn UFO aliens snatched that one too.

Well, at least they didn’t probe me.


49 posted on 08/15/2012 12:49:31 PM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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To: blam

>> I’ll never forget the first thing my ex-wife’s father said to me: “Wanna go shoot an AK?”

Nor will I ever forget the second thing my ex-FIL said to me, while placing a four-inch group with the AK at 100 yards: “No grandson of mine will be a bastard. I have arranged the wedding chapel for 2PM Saturday. Be there with a necktie on.”


50 posted on 08/15/2012 12:50:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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