Skip to comments.We Can't Even Shoot On Our Own Property?(OR)
Posted on 08/15/2012 12:58:29 PM PDT by marktwain
Jerry Conrady and his wife have been fighting to be able to continue to safely shoot on their own rural property. This is their story in their own words, why it should matter to you, and how you can help.
Lincoln County is attacking Oregon residents rights to shoot on private property. If Lincoln County wins the repercussions for shooters in the State of Oregon will be staggering. Every county will be able to use the following cases as precedent to require anyone on private property to obtain a condition use permit before discharging a firearm. Your support is needed.
Jerry Conrady and his wife own 120 acres in rural Lincoln County. Mr. Conrady is a State certified teacher, has a degree in Gunsmithing from Lassen College and is an Eagle Scout. Mr. Conradys wife is an estate paralegal and writer. Neither have any form of criminal record. Mr Conrady gives out free gun locks at Portland gun shows.
Currently the Oregon Revised Statute allows for landowners and their guests to discharge firearms outdoors on private property without any permits. The Conradys and their guests have been doing so since they purchased the property in 2002 with no complaints or negative comments from anyone. In 2008 Mr. Conrady proposed building an indoor range in the center of his property. A small group of their neighbors, backed by someone with a good deal of money is now attempting to sue the Conradys into poverty and submission.
There are currently two cases pending: Case number 111143 in which, after the County threatened to sue them if they didnt stop shooting on their property the Conradys filed a suit asking a Judge to read and interpret the law. Instead of ruling on the law in question, the Judge determined that the County has a right to regulate shooting ranges. The County has taken that to mean that anywhere an individual discharges a firearm is then considered a range and thus they have the right to regulate the discharge of firearms on private property and that anyone who wishes to do so must apply for a conditional use permit. This case is currently in the Appeals Court.
Case number 112006 in which 5 of the Conradys neighbors are suing them for an abatement of a nuisance. Even though the Oregon Revised Statute says that noise from firearms cannot be regulated and does not fall under the nuisance statutes, the same Judge is allowing the case to go through and Lincoln County has jumped on board with the Plaintiffs. The remedy theyre seeking? First they want warrantless search and seizure. They want to be able to enter the Conradys property at any time for any reason and arrest anyone suspected of shooting, whether a firearm is present or not. Keep in mind that the Conradys are law abiding citizens who do not currently have nor have ever had a criminal record. They hold concealed weapons permits in multiple states and Mr. Conrady holds an FFL. If they were criminals they would never have passed the checks that allow them these privileges. The Plaintiffs also want the house that the Conradys are building on their property with approved permits removed, as well as their well and septic and anything else the County deems an improvement related to a shooting range. There are no improvements as no range was ever built as the County has been told multiple times. This case will be heard November 6th.
The Conradys dont shoot 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They try to be respectful of their neighbors including voluntarily reducing their shooting hours. In addition, they are not the only people in the area who shoot. Several neighbors on Mr. Conradys property line discharge firearms on their property whenever they want, yet is it only the Conradys who are being sued.
Oregon Revised Statutes 166.170, 171 and 176 state that NO conditional use permit is necessary for a landowner and guests to discharge firearms on private property. In fact, Counties cannot restrict the discharge of firearms on private property in rural unincorperated areas. Lincoln County is attempting to get around this statute by claiming the Conradys were running a shooting range and that anywhere a firearm in discharged is a shooting range, thus they have the right to regulate all shooting. They have yet to define the difference between a commercial shooting range, private shooting range on private property or a landowner and guests discharging firearms on private property. The Conradys never ran a range. They created a non-profit and did what was necessary to prepare to apply for a conditional use permit to build a range. They sent letters and emails and left phone messages for the County asking for guidance which never came. Mr. Conrady had to finally send a letter to the County Commissioners before the county attorney finally responded with a contradictory and confusing letter that baffled every attorney the Conradys spoke with and left them wide open to litigation.
The Conradys have been fighting this battle for 4 years now and its taken a dramatic personal and financial strain on them. They are no longer fighting for just their rights but the rights of every shooter in the State of Oregon. If they lose, anyone who wants to set up a target or shoot at a can will have to have permission to do so first. Its once again time to show that shooters will not be bullied.
If youre interested in supporting the Conradys and your rights call the Lincoln County Commissioners and voice your opinion at 541-265-4176 or write or email them. Anyone who would like to assist with their defense fund may do so as follows: MAKE CHECKS TO: GERALD CONRADY TRUST ACCOUNT Send to: Gerald Conrady Trust Care of Attorney Russell L. Baldwin P.O. Box 1242 Lincoln City, OR 97367
Zoning has given local authorities power far beyond that ever envisioned in the Constitution.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands]" PROPOSED Virginia CONSTITUTION. FORD ED., ii, 27. (June, 1776.) Thomas Jefferson
I am free to cook... but I can't open a restaurant either
This isn't a typical gun issue, this is an issue of a city being able to regulate a business
I can and do (East San Diego County).
Fired off a couple of rounds just last night to break up a coyote orgy in my yard.
That's an inaccurate comparison. I have friends with 200 acres in Pennsylvania who have shot trap on their property for decades. They also hold massive barbecues, for which they cook more than many restaurants serve in a day. Lawyers, DAs and at least one judge have attended their bashes.
When I went Galt, the property we acquired is over a mile from our nearest neighbor, and they are pro America folks too.
Nothing finer than cutting holes in targets from the back deck while sipping our morning coffee!
I have a BB/pellet gun that pumps up enough to do the job nicely. The noise is minimal and it is quite accurate.
Why not? Because some government flunky told you you couldn't?
Freedom. How does it work? :-/
It seems that the purpose of any government body is to (1) survive (2) grow, and (3) expand its powers and jurisdiction. Is there no way of legally bloodying their noses?
Sounds like a local issue.
I know lots of people in Oregon who shoot on private land.
They’ll keep pushing until somebody flips out and cleans out the county municipal office of all the bureaucratic cockroaches who make a living hindering individual liberty.
Texas law appears to protect rural landowners from city control:
§ 229.002. Regulation of Discharge of Weapon
A municipality may not apply a regulation relating to the discharge of firearms or other weapons in the extraterritorial jurisdiction of the municipality or in an area annexed by the municipality after September 1, 1981, if the firearm or other weapon is:
(1) a shotgun, air rifle or pistol, BB gun, or bow and arrow discharged:
(A) on a tract of land of 10 acres or more and more than 150 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property; and
(B) in a manner not reasonably expected to cause a projectile to cross the boundary of the tract; or
(2) a center fire or rim fire rifle or pistol of any caliber discharged:
(A) on a tract of land of Search Term Begin 50 acres Search Term End or more and more than 300 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property; and
(B) in a manner not reasonably expected to cause a projectile to cross the boundary of the tract.
This is from a Defensivecarry site:
Do you see any limits whatsoever on a city's power to regulate business?
Why is it that you don't think you should be allowed to run a restaurant without permission from a city? Are you under the mistaken impression that being regulated by a city ensures good health?
I've seen plenty of commercial kitchens from which I wouldn't feed a dog. Tell me what benefit you expect from city regulation of restaurants?
The Santee Lakes area, with its close proximity to the open space to the north has a problem also. I have friends there who say they see them often though I don't believe they hear them.
I know of one county in CO, where a Republican sheriff wants to outlaw firearms discharges, even on large properties. The very sparsely populated area is heavily regulated (like large municipals) by constituents on all political sides. IMO, most local government interests in the West lean to the left and are politically supported mainly by government employees and pensioners/NIMBYs in rural developments (many of them, second homes for suburbanites). They go on about property values. They maintain high and counterproductive property tax rates.
We’re morally bankrupt. That’s the problem. Many who demand increases from politicians in incomes from debt/revenues want service and exclusivity in their communities (no low classed rednecks). The only solution that I know of is that of a slowdown in economic activities while encouraging continuing big spending by the political/regulator class. When they can no longer afford to be so politically active or to perpetuate regulatory interference against real work by productive residents (small manufacturing, agriculture, etc.), then get productive and rebuild.
Yea, and try to enforce that new law where I live (very rural/forest). My neighbors and I shoot on a regular basis, and on a weekend it is not uncommon to hear many gunshots coming from several different directions.
One of the reasons I love where I live.
this is a rural area acording to the article, as for permission, screw that! If I want to open an ice cream parlor or shooting range in BF Texas, why do I need " permission"?
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