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Social Security Administration Requests Massive Amounts of .357 Ammo — But Why?
The Blaze ^ | 8/15/2012 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 08/15/2012 4:09:31 PM PDT by antidemoncrat

Social Security Administration Requests 174,000 Rounds of .357 AmmoFirst the Department of Homeland Security ordered 450 million rounds of ammunition, then the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) submitted an order for 46,000 rounds of high powered ammo, and now Business Insider reports that the Social Security Administration is asking to purchase 174,000 rounds of .357 hollow point bullets.

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The other question is why is the Government ordering millions of MREs.
1 posted on 08/15/2012 4:09:40 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat

they need the ammo for the guards protecting the lock box with all the money in it


2 posted on 08/15/2012 4:11:18 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: antidemoncrat

The last time I went into a Social Security office there was an armed guard there... maybe with the collapse they are expecting some action at their front doors.


3 posted on 08/15/2012 4:11:54 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: antidemoncrat

Book mark.


4 posted on 08/15/2012 4:12:48 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: antidemoncrat

A million man “Obama” civilian army can’t arm itself sufficiently without help...


5 posted on 08/15/2012 4:13:36 PM PDT by bayliving (What do you wanna bet that democrats go home at night and punch their pillows before they go to bed?)
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To: antidemoncrat

The ammo is for Granny. Dems are too refined to push her over the cliff, like Ryan in their campaign ad, but savings must be obtained.


6 posted on 08/15/2012 4:16:22 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: MrPiper

To keep things in perspective, that’s only 6k rds for 29 people. The average redneck has that much or lost that much in a boating accident.


7 posted on 08/15/2012 4:17:36 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: antidemoncrat

I think we should becareful of getting conned on this. These might be routine orders, or orders that seem like a big number but are actually quite insignificant.


8 posted on 08/15/2012 4:19:15 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: antidemoncrat
There's some theories starting to appear. One is that there is a concern that Israel is going to launch a massive attack on Iran within the next 30 to 60 days to destroy their nuclear plants and weapons program. The reason that the federal agencies are stockpiling ammo is to stop attacks on federal agencies (buildings) that are expected to be launched by 1000s of radical islamists that are in the US that will retaliate against the US for not stopping Israel.

I don't know the background of this theory, but there seems to be support for it.

9 posted on 08/15/2012 4:20:30 PM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But it's going to get a lot Tougher if you vote for Obama in Nov.)
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To: RaisingCain
I think we should becareful of getting conned on this. These might be routine orders, or orders that seem like a big number but are actually quite insignificant.

I think you're right. 174K rounds is only enough ammo to minimally train 100 officers over the course of a couple of years.

10 posted on 08/15/2012 4:24:02 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Old folks are gonna be told, “Take the meal or get the metal”.


11 posted on 08/15/2012 4:24:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: antidemoncrat

With a mind uncontested by the facts or any relevant experience let me grace you with my valuable insight.

It seems to me that various agencies are ordering ammunition to dilute the impact of a single HUGE order so as to cache the ammo in safe places callable by the government when needed.

How the Kenyan and his fellow traitors define this “need” is perhaps the most important question we will face in this republic. Stay armed.


12 posted on 08/15/2012 4:25:44 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: antidemoncrat

The turds can order a zillion rounds of ammo and still not hit a paper target at three yards.

What they order is more stores for patriots.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 4:26:04 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Harley
Spooky.

Donning tinfoil hat...

"If" that is the case, what a great excuse for Obomao and the dems to declare Martial Law and suspend the up coming elections.

14 posted on 08/15/2012 4:26:04 PM PDT by bayliving (What do you wanna bet that democrats go home at night and punch their pillows before they go to bed?)
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To: antidemoncrat
Just for clarification, the actual requisition specifies that they want 125 gr .357 Sig bonded JHP

(If I read .357 without anything else I assume .357 Mag, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who does so).

Another interesting tidbit from the quote request:

This procurement is being issued as a 100% Total Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside. Quotations submitted from other than Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small businesses will not be considered.

*Snip*

This procurement is being issued as a 100% Total Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside. Quotations submitted from other than Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small businesses will not be considered.

15 posted on 08/15/2012 4:26:30 PM PDT by verum ago (A good physical therapist is half friend, half sadist.)
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To: verum ago
Oops, the part above the Snip was supposed to be:

The small business size standard is 1000 employees
16 posted on 08/15/2012 4:28:05 PM PDT by verum ago (A good physical therapist is half friend, half sadist.)
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To: antidemoncrat
Social Security Administration Requests Massive Amounts of .357 Ammo — But Why?

ObamaCare Death Panels !


17 posted on 08/15/2012 4:30:26 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Where are the requests for construction equipment to bury the bodies? ;-)


18 posted on 08/15/2012 4:31:31 PM PDT by Average Al (The Democrat party is a free range zoo.)
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To: Harley
attacks on federal agencies (buildings) that are expected to be launched by 1000s of radical islamists that are in the US that will retaliate against the US for not stopping Israel.

Umm...gee...that would, uhh, suck?

I guess?

19 posted on 08/15/2012 4:34:51 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: antidemoncrat

I personally think the reports themselves are suspicious. It would be easy to hide the ammo buys so why are they advertizing it?


20 posted on 08/15/2012 4:36:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RaisingCain
I think we should be careful of getting conned on this. These might be routine orders, or orders that seem like a big number but are actually quite insignificant.

Insignificant hell! This will control the production of the manufacturers for quite a while and prevent the civilian population from having any ammunition. The way around the Second Amendment has always been to stop the supply of ammunition. Sure you can have a gun but you can't have anything to shoot. Quidado AmeriKa. The Marxist Dictator is fulfilling another promise, "to have a civilian army as well trained and equipped as the regular army." The "Oktober Surprise" may very well be domestic. Financial collapse followed by nationwide rioting and martial law.

21 posted on 08/15/2012 4:38:34 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MrPiper

“... The average redneck has that much or lost that much in a boating accident.”

-I have ammo envy...


22 posted on 08/15/2012 4:39:17 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: antidemoncrat

The Final Solution to the financial collapse facing Social Security?


23 posted on 08/15/2012 4:39:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: antidemoncrat

Social security? Arming all the stern old grannies that go to Denny’s?


24 posted on 08/15/2012 4:40:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Travis McGee
WTF????
25 posted on 08/15/2012 4:41:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Social security? Arming all the stern old grannies that go to Denny’s?

Handing out guns at retirement might be more effective than social security.
26 posted on 08/15/2012 4:44:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Don Corleone; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot
The Marxist Dictator is fulfilling another promise, "to have a civilian army as well trained and equipped as the regular army." The "Oktober Surprise" may very well be domestic. Financial collapse followed by nationwide rioting and martial law.

I agree with you, Don.

27 posted on 08/15/2012 4:45:10 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Don Corleone

That’s an interesting angle, to tie up production, but how many bullets can a manufacture produce in a single day? And how much do they have in stock already? I’m asking since I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they can mass produce ammunition rather easily.


28 posted on 08/15/2012 4:45:33 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: melancholy

Well, since we’re paying for it I’m going to place an order, too.


29 posted on 08/15/2012 4:47:20 PM PDT by azishot (When your life is on the line, lead is worth more than gold.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Finally! Ammo Stamps for the elderly.


30 posted on 08/15/2012 4:50:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Average Al
Where are the requests for construction equipment to bury the bodies?

Granny can dig her own grave.

31 posted on 08/15/2012 4:51:17 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: antidemoncrat

Check to see if all instructions are printed in Spanish.


32 posted on 08/15/2012 4:51:53 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cripplecreek

> I personally think the reports themselves are suspicious. It
> would be easy to hide the ammo buys so why are they
> advertizing it?

Probably to help ammunition manufacturers to benefit from frantic sales to a fearful gun owners in exchange for their (manufacturers’) vote for strict control of guns and ammo.


33 posted on 08/15/2012 4:51:53 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: azishot

Good for you.

Social Security ordering “.357 hollow point bullets.”

Why the deadly hollow point ammo just to punch paper?

Ah, the target practice paper must have been declared an enemy combatant by EO!


34 posted on 08/15/2012 4:53:52 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: antidemoncrat
They still need the government workers willing to pull the trigger on another human being.

As the son of a Marine and big brother to a Lt,Col in the USAF I know what they go through to be all that they are.

Although never in the military myself I've hunted and shot 100’s of big game animals including charging grizzly.

The security guards will for the most part just protect themselves and a few will protect those they are paid to. It takes a lot to of self control to wait out a bear charge. I cannot imagine how long I'd wait to harm a fellow American. Last resort for sure.

35 posted on 08/15/2012 4:54:55 PM PDT by liberty or death
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I think we should be careful of getting conned on this.

My attitude as well. There are plenty of relevant questions that need to be asked starting with "Why advertize it".

Are guns being bought to go with the ammo? Who is going to do the shooting? The national weather service isn't exactly SEAL team 6 and both the social security administration and DHS are mostly desk pilots.

My personal theory that ammo is being bought but its going to someplace like Syria and its probably actually whatever standard ammo that NATO uses.

Back to why they advertize the buys could serve a couple of purposes. One would be to cover massive amounts going overseas and two would be as a means of intimidating Americans.

Personally, I'm not real concerned that a national weather service assault team is going to kick my door down anytime soon.
36 posted on 08/15/2012 4:56:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: melancholy

Maybe they want to *shred* the paper or something?


37 posted on 08/15/2012 4:56:55 PM PDT by azishot (When your life is on the line, lead is worth more than gold.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Getting ALL the depts armed up

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-02-03/wall_street/30055079_1_irs-shotguns-gauge

And huge, deep underground bunkers with their own lakes - stocked with MILLIONS of MRE’s and other supplies - I know a trucker who has delivered stuff inside them -

They have a numbers table of how many of us are ‘expendable’ - and you do not even want to know all the people - world wide - that is planning the depopulation - not ‘zero poplualtion’ anymore but DEpopulation...the actual killing, through different programs, of tene of thousands of we little people, leaving a more controllable population to rule over.

Bill Gates, for one, is working on it enthusiastically.

Go to YouTube and watch some clips on Agenda 21

It’s a program that has been in the works for decades - ‘bumbles buddy, Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground named a number that needed to be killed....

We are dealing with evil that is hard to get our heads around. But we better start believing it


38 posted on 08/15/2012 4:58:31 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: azishot

LOL!

Oh, the humanity! The poor paper is on the shooting block.


39 posted on 08/15/2012 5:01:04 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I forgot they will turn granny in to little green pills. ;-)


40 posted on 08/15/2012 5:01:14 PM PDT by Average Al (The Democrat party is a free range zoo.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Who the hell trains with hollow point bullets? Such a waste of money if is for training. Much cheaper to train with ball ammo and use JHP for when you are ready to rock and roll. Any LEO’s on here that “train” with solely JHP?


41 posted on 08/15/2012 5:03:32 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Something stinks.

Bad.


42 posted on 08/15/2012 5:08:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: gop4lyf

I don’t think their too worried about wasting bullets YOU paid for......


43 posted on 08/15/2012 5:10:43 PM PDT by onona (loving butter pecan)
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To: gop4lyf

I made the same observation on a related thread last night. I was politely reminded that “this is the government wisely spending taxpayer money.” Couldn’t argue with the illogic of it all once it was laid out for me.


44 posted on 08/15/2012 5:13:11 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: verum ago
the actual requisition specifies that they want 125 gr .357 Sig bonded JHP

Okay, that makes more sense. I thought LEOs had pretty much changed over to semi-autos and .357 Magnum didn't make sense. But then again, I thought they went mostly to 9MM but some are going to .40 S&W.

Jeez, I need a scorecard to keep track.

45 posted on 08/15/2012 5:14:34 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Whatever a homosexual union might be or represent, it is not physically marital. - F.Cardinal George)
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To: antidemoncrat
Homeland Security already bought 450 million rounds and is now planning to purchase a further 750 million rounds.

National Weather Service ordered 46,000 rounds

Now Social Security Administration is ordering 174,000 rounds.

What's next the WIC offices will probably order a few hundred thousand rounds. For what??? To protect all those baby bottles from the mean ole' Republicans who want babies to die?

46 posted on 08/15/2012 5:26:40 PM PDT by jmax (Ahhhh...life is so frigging good in the obama nation.)
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To: missnry

Homeland Paranoid Insecurity did a dry run at a Florida Social Security office... I think Obama’s government is planning on killing seniors who show up to find out why they don’t get their check.

Here’s what I know about Romney and Ryan - they won’t be arming people at Social Security offices to shoot senior citizens... Romney and Ryan won’t have our military training to shoot every day American citizens.

And the suck-up members of the press? People who would jump all over this story if Bush had created such an outrage... shame on them.


47 posted on 08/15/2012 5:37:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Okay, that makes more sense. I thought LEOs had pretty much changed over to semi-autos and .357 Magnum didn't make sense. But then again, I thought they went mostly to 9MM but some are going to .40 S&W.

Jeez, I need a scorecard to keep track.


Here, I'll help you out keeping track of service calibers thanks to what I've read from all the self-appointed firearms experts on internet fora:

The .38 spl is a wholly inadequate as a service cartridge when using lead round nose bullets and has less oopmh than .357 magnum. .357 magnum is fantastic, but has fairly stiff recoil and of course a revolver only holds 6 rds, so you should go with the lesser recoil and higher capacity of 9mm Luger automatic. 9mm Luger is perfectly acceptable and has a good track record, except if you think it doesn't or it isn't manly or you use 147 gr ball, in which case the .40 Smith and Wesson is a good round combining larger diameter than 9mm Luger and more energy than .45 ACP with less recoil than a hot .45 ACP load. Of course if you're going to step up to .40 S&W from 9mm you might as well go to .45 ACP because it is larger than .40 S&W and has less snappy recoil and is more manly/patriotic; besides which contrary to what I just said the .40 S&W really the worst of .45 ACP and 9mm Luger, as it has higher recoil than 9mm Luger and smaller diameter than .45 ACP. But .45 ACP bullets don't go very fast and are overrated because what really matters is hydrostatic shock, which is where the .357 Sig comes in: less recoil than .40 S&W and .45 ACP and terminal ballistics like .357 Magnum. Of course, .357 Sig is kinda snappy and has intimidating flash and blast and is super-expensive so maybe 9mm Luger is a good choice for gentle recoil, low expense, and lower muzzle blast. But .40 S&W is better than 9mm and... [repeat ad infinitum]

...and I didn't even talk about penetration :D
48 posted on 08/15/2012 5:46:10 PM PDT by verum ago (A good physical therapist is half friend, half sadist.)
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To: RaisingCain
Around November of 08, the story was circulating around that 0bama was in favor of raising ammunition taxes 500%. A lot of people thought that was how he was going to implement stealth gun control; by pricing ammo out of reach. Well following the 2008 elections, I remember being on back order at several different places for various calibers of ammunition.

I was on back order for 7.62x39 for over three months (I think part of the reason was I placed an order at a low price and then demand went up; the company sent me several emails telling me I could get my ammo a lot sooner if I switched to a different lot, which of course was A LOT more expensive).

I also remember reading one of the largest ammunition manufacturers in the U.S. was on back order for 300 million primers in the summer of '09 and for the first time, they were running a third shift at the plant. Even loading your own ammo didn't do you any good because there was a shortage of source materials like primers.

Right around that same time was when fedgov denied the sale of spent military brass, but finally relented after a huge outcry since ammo prices were up and supply was down.

We, the citizenry, bought somewhere around 14 BILLION rounds of ammunition in 2009.

Sorry I haven't provided links, I'm not scouring the internet to find source documents for news articles I read three years ago.

Anyway, the point is if the fedgov can create artificial demand the laws of supply and demand will be used against us and cause more shortages..............OR, maybe fedgov anticipates ANOTHER shortage after the election and wants to ensure they have supply in the event of a prolonged shortage.

It has only been recently ammunition prices have dropped any significant amount and the $$$ is nowhere near what it was pre-0. The prices of rifles like AK47s are still pretty high too in comparison.

BTW, I've decided guns are bad and scary, so I gave them all away at the last gun "buy back" program and I donated all of my ammo to charity..

49 posted on 08/15/2012 6:59:19 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Is this stuff true? Who is reporting it? Who found out about it? What is going on?


50 posted on 08/15/2012 7:11:13 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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