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Could GOP Endorse Hiring Illegal Workers?
National Journal ^ | 8-6-2012 | Fawn Johnson

Posted on 08/15/2012 6:11:22 PM PDT by Tau Food

Straight out of red-state Texas and a free-market mentality, restaurateur Brad Bailey is trying to get Republicans to endorse a radical idea: Let businesses hire foreigners, even ones here illegally, if they can’t find American workers. His target is the Republican National Convention, where he is hoping to win over the most conservative of conservatives to an immigration plan that Bailey says makes sense for businesses and, ultimately, for the GOP.

Much to the surprise of many politicians, the idea won the support of the Texas Republican Party at the state convention in June. It probably helped matters that the plan also accommodated two top priorities for immigration hard-liners: anticounterfeit Social Security cards and an end to automatic citizenship for all children born to immigrants on U.S. soil. The proposal also includes the obligatory nod to border security, complete with explanation point: “The U.S. border must be secured immediately!”

Now Bailey is traversing the country attempting to secure support among Republican opinion leaders who will convene in Tampa, Fla., next month to nominate former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney for president. The Texan is well aware that he faces major political hurdles at a time when Republican candidates endure a public skewering for a mere whisper that undocumented immigrants should be given legal status. The mission statement of his nonprofit group, The Hard Work Clean Hands Initiative, states as one of its goals, “To sensitize conservatives about the rhetoric on immigration.”

“Privately, elected officials will tell you, ‘Hey, we understand the problem. Deporting 11 million people is impossible.’ But when they come out publicly,” Bailey said, “they are retaliated against.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens
Conservative thinkers agree that the GOP has softened on immigration since McCain ran for president, which could mean that a plan like “The Texas Solution” could fly at the national convention. It doesn’t have “amnesty,” but it does offer a plausible path for illegal immigrants.

Do you personally know any conservative thinkers who believe that it's time to soften opposition to illegal immigration?

1 posted on 08/15/2012 6:11:30 PM PDT by Tau Food
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To: Tau Food

A perfectly “plausible path” for illegals exists now. It leads BACK TO THEIR HOMELAND.


2 posted on 08/15/2012 6:16:06 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Tau Food

Romney has a long time relationship with and personal endorsement of illegals in America.


3 posted on 08/15/2012 6:17:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Tau Food

AFter 4 years of extraordinarily high unemployment rates most Conservatives would probably agree with a plan that included capital punishment for employers who hire illegal aliens.


4 posted on 08/15/2012 6:18:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tau Food

I believe in the free market principles of supply and demand. It applies to employer as much as to the buyer.


5 posted on 08/15/2012 6:19:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ansel12

Well, as you can see, there are people pushing to change attitudes in the GOP. They’re attempting to make it sound as if importing illegal aliens for cheap labor is a grassroots “conservative” movement. It’s ridiculous, but there it is.


6 posted on 08/15/2012 6:20:15 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: ansel12

Oh give Mitt a break. He “warned” his illegal gardeners on multiple occasions. LOL


7 posted on 08/15/2012 6:21:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Tau Food
I have an idea for the Republicans where they maybe able to at least show they care about minorities. The are a lots of intercity youths that commit crimes that will haunt them the rest of their life's. I say that some of these youths as they become young adults, turn their life's around, but companies still will not hire them because they have a record. Maybe a program proposed by Republicans could be created that could help determine if there is a real turn around and clear the record. I would like to save their life and create more tax payers.

This is just an idea, and I know very few would qualify.

8 posted on 08/15/2012 6:21:45 PM PDT by Plumres
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To: Tau Food

Frankly, I think there’s a large presence of folks right here on this forum that go silent when the subject of illegal immigration comes up.

I can’t explain it, but some folks don’t have clue one when it comes to what we should do with the illegals.

McCain wanted to give them an ‘not an amnesty’ amnesty.

Sarah Palin stated that she wanted to register them so they could stay here and work.

I don’t think Romney or Ryan are particularly hard nosed about it. “Immigration, why yes I am strong on immigrations, mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble, and in conclusion, mumble.”

I’m convinced they don’t think they need citizens like us anymore. And the more I see of their plans, I actually think they’re right.

That’s why they don’t get my votes anymore.


9 posted on 08/15/2012 6:23:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Tau Food

I love the way its portrayed as a free market thing.

Apparently if things get rare or expensive, its OK to steal.


10 posted on 08/15/2012 6:23:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: muawiyah

Hyperbole, I hope. “Let the free market decide” was the conservative Republican position pre-911. Closed borders was the union Dem position. Pre-911 Hannity and other conservatives ridiculed Pat Buchanan as the only conservative to be against the free market.

So the current effort is to just go back to pre-911 conservativism...but the Reagan-Kemp optimism; not the Buchanan Malthusianism.


11 posted on 08/15/2012 6:26:17 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: cripplecreek

There will always be a demand for cheap labor if the employer can count on the taxpayer to pay for his workers’ health care, food stamps, and public schooling. Slaveowners were responsible for his slaves’ food, clothing, shelter and health. I don’t think that taxpayers should be expected to cover these costs.


12 posted on 08/15/2012 6:26:41 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food; All

The GOP better get off this fetish for Illegal Aliens. Conservatives will stay home, and, you will not get the Democrats who support strong immigration laws.

If this guy cannot find American workers to hire...he should consider something other than running a business.

I am so tired of those who continue to find excuses to push Illegal Alien Amnesty. Our borders need to be secured, the illegal aliens deported, and all Americans working before even considering LEGAL IMMIGRATION.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 6:28:11 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Just because someone has an "R" next to their name, does not make them a Conservative)
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To: DoughtyOne
You're absolutely right. And, the politicians are hearing from important interest groups. Here's what the website of the United States Chamber of Commerce has to say about immigration:

"Immigration reform should accomplish the following goals: control and secure our borders; improve employment verification systems for determining whether an employee is authorized to work in the United States; create an effective and streamlined temporary worker program so that employers can hire immigrant workers when U.S. workers are unavailable; and provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States."

14 posted on 08/15/2012 6:33:12 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food
create an effective and streamlined temporary worker program

That statement alone is a lie in the sense that it creates the impression that there are currently no guest worker programs. There have been migrants and guest workers since before I was born.
15 posted on 08/15/2012 6:40:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

PING


16 posted on 08/15/2012 6:41:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: spintreebob
Hannity has demonstrated many times that he's not a Conservative ~ he's just a talk show opportunist. I think he's still beating the drum about people not paying any taxes ~

The pre 911 argument was to close the borders. That was the position since the early 1950s when Eisenhower hauled the Mexicans to the border and kicked them out.

Trying to figure out when a real Conservative was in favor of open borders and it does not come to mind. You go all the way back to 1604 and you find King Philippe of Spain handing over much of North America to others with directions regarding BORDERS. He paid to continue a survey earlier commissioned by his father.

Philippe was certainly a Conservative in anyone's estimation!

17 posted on 08/15/2012 6:42:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Plumres

longer prison sentences should easily solve that problem.


18 posted on 08/15/2012 6:45:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tau Food

A lot of people don’t realize that the libertarian party has always been for totally open borders, totally open, no Border Patrol, no INS.


19 posted on 08/15/2012 6:52:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

You’re absolutely right and that’s one of the reasons I’m not much of a libertarian. ;^)


20 posted on 08/15/2012 6:58:48 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food

Brad ought to be required to post the message ‘I employ invaders’ on a sign outside his establishment and see how long he stays in business, the cretin.

Spit.


21 posted on 08/15/2012 7:08:19 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: ansel12; cripplecreek
Romney has a long time relationship with and personal endorsement of illegals in America.

From Mitt Romney's website:

As president, Mitt Romney will make the system for bringing in temporary agricultural workers and other seasonal workers functional for both employers and immigrants.  We should get rid of unnecessary requirements that delay issuance of a visa, and we should speed the processing of applications.

Does that sound like Romney wants more or less agricultural and "seasonal" (i.e., cheap) labor?

22 posted on 08/15/2012 7:11:19 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food

There have always been seasonal migrant ag workers. I don’t buy the bull that we need to speed them up.

As it is, migrants in Michigan are being fed and housed at taxpayer expense because the drought wiped out crops. Seems to me they should be migrating to where there is work.


23 posted on 08/15/2012 7:22:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

If Romney hired them to perform menial campaign duties, would that qualify as “seasonal” work?


24 posted on 08/15/2012 7:25:26 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food

I got a better idea. “Businessmen” who knowingly employ illegals should go to prison... for a LONG time.


25 posted on 08/15/2012 7:49:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Tau Food

Chamber of Commerce Republicans are in favor of illegal immigration because of the cheap labor; Democrats want their votes.

Truly an unholy alliance.


26 posted on 08/15/2012 7:57:39 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Tau Food; kabar

“Could GOP Endorse Hiring Illegal Workers?”

Huh?

The reality is that the “GOP” has “endorsed” hiring illegal workers for decades now.

They just cloak their intentions behind code words created for public consumption.

Thus, we got proffered such near-disasters as “comprehensive immigration reform” so that those same hidden intentions could sleazily be transformed into public policy.

Eventually they’re going to prevail, and 30-40 million illegals are going to be jammed down our throats. I trust them as far as I can throw them, and at my age, that ain’t far.

By the way, there’s been a lot of fawning over Paul Ryan the last few days. But an article in the Washington Times a few days’ back, claims he is a supporter of much of the same “immigration reform” that conservatives hate:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/13/ryan-sparks-split-on-immigration/

Please don’t shoot this messenger for the news he brings!


27 posted on 08/15/2012 8:41:35 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Tau Food
Do you personally know any conservative thinkers who believe that it's time to soften opposition to illegal immigration?

No. Why doesn't he lobby to end food stamps? He'll can get all the "workers" he can hire if they have to work or starve.

28 posted on 08/16/2012 1:30:10 AM PDT by jammer
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To: muawiyah

You and I have different memories. I started watching politics in ‘52 in Seattle area. Then college and adult life in IL. The same Republicans/ conservatives who championed right-to-work and Hayek, VonMises, Friedman, Hazlitt held the position “Let the free market decide”.

Historically, it was the Union Dems such as Cesar Chavez of the UFW who led close-the-border; don’t let them in movement.

An interesting part of the move ‘2016’ is when DeSouza quotes the Reagan staffers: We dont’ care abour your immigration status; just if you are a Reaganite.

That was true of almost all Reaganites and Goldwaterites during the 60s and 70s leading up to ‘80.

As I’ve said before, Pat Buchanan was seen as the odd-man-out, the voice in the wilderness of the prophet nobody was following...until after 911 when everything flipped.


29 posted on 08/19/2012 6:29:54 PM PDT by spintreebob
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