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4 cops shot, 2 dead, in St. John [Parish] shooting [Valero Refinery]
WWL.com ^ | August 16, 2012

Posted on 08/16/2012 5:40:58 AM PDT by topher

Two St. John [sheriff] deputies and two civilians were reportedly shot in LaPlace at about 5:00 a.m.

UPDATE: WWL-TV reports that two officers are dead and two others were shot in the incident.

The incident occurred near Bayou Steel on Highway 3217 in a Valero plant parking lot. That highway remains closed at this time. The parking lot is located in St. John Parish, while the Valero plant itself is located in St. Charles Parish.

There is no word yet on the conditions of the officers or the other two people shot in the incident.

A witness on the scene called WWL Radio News and said that he heard "seven or eight shots" when it happened.

The witness said it appeared a police vehicle had been shot multiple times.

Police officers from several parishes are involved in the hunt for the gunman, including State Police, and deputies from Charles Parish, St. John Parish, and Jefferson Parish.

One deputy was air-lifted to the hospital, according to a witness.

WWL-TV reports that it appears that workers are being evacuated from the plant.


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KEYWORDS: louisiana; stjohnparish; valero
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Manhunt in progress with Police from various jurisdictions involved including state police.
1 posted on 08/16/2012 5:41:02 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher

Heard this on the radio this morning on the way to work, can’t find ANYTHING local that gives more than what you did. Thanks for the heads up and limited details.


2 posted on 08/16/2012 5:45:55 AM PDT by GT Vander (Life's priorities; God, Family, Country. Everything else is just details...)
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To: topher

Muslims and greens restless...


3 posted on 08/16/2012 5:47:10 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: topher

Incident occurred near Laplace, Louisiana.


4 posted on 08/16/2012 5:47:45 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
Two refinery fires in CA. This attack at a refinery.

Could be something going on.

5 posted on 08/16/2012 5:55:33 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: topher

Kinda the middle of “Freaking NoWhere” LA, west of NO proper.

3217 is a spur road that connects Airline highway to the River Rd.

LOTS of (potential) intrigue here.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Highway+3217+st.+John+Parish+Louisiana&hl=en&ll=30.042944,-90.452499&spn=0.110557,0.202217&sll=32.678125,-83.178297&sspn=6.87775,12.941895&hnear=Louisiana+3217,+LaPlace,+St+John+the+Baptist,+Louisiana+70068&t=h&z=13


6 posted on 08/16/2012 5:56:14 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: riverrunner
It is a shuttle parking lot for a refinery. I looked at GoogleMaps, and I did not see where the refinery was.

After Katrina, I proposed to one oil company to put a 60 foot to 90 foot dirt wall around the refinery to protect against terrorism and storm surge.

It would also contain any explosion within the dirt wall.

The one refinery fire in California was due to a vapor cloud coming contact with a spark from an engine that was idling (fire truck, of all things).

That was the Chevron-Richmond fire. I had not heard of a second refinery fire in California/West Coast.

7 posted on 08/16/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Just part of obama’s civiian army? As well armed as the military with fresh Hollow Point ammo from the EPA AND GUNS FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT


8 posted on 08/16/2012 6:00:27 AM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: Blueflag
I could find that shuttle parking lot, but the property next door was a pipe storage facility.

Refineries are normally located on or very near the Mississippi River. Could not find this Valero Plant.

It sounded like they evacuated the refinery.

9 posted on 08/16/2012 6:02:02 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: riverrunner

This attack at a refinery.


Not sure a refinery is the target. This occurred in a parking facility where workers park and shuttle service is used to get them to mulitple work facilities in the area.

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The shooting occurred around 5:30 a.m. in a parking lot used by workers in an area of manufacturing plants and refineries along the Mississippi River........

Read more: http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/2-dead-after-police-shootout-west-of-New-Orleans-3792633.php#ixzz23iIsDIha


10 posted on 08/16/2012 6:02:02 AM PDT by deport
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To: riverrunner

Settle down! There has been refinery fires in California for decades.


11 posted on 08/16/2012 6:07:45 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will j rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: topher

The other cal fire I believe was at Shell in Martinez last week.


12 posted on 08/16/2012 6:08:41 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: deport

Unofficial reports indicate that one suspect has been captured and another is still being sought.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/08/2_st_john_parish_sheriffs_depu.html


13 posted on 08/16/2012 6:11:03 AM PDT by deport
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"a vapor cloud coming contact with a spark from an engine that was idling (fire truck, of all things)"

Spark from a Diesel engine?

14 posted on 08/16/2012 6:11:11 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: deport; topher; riverrunner
Somebody might be facing heavy Federal charges when this is over if the parking lot/property is marked with signs of a certain kind.

Almost all such parking lots already have no guns/no drugs signs.

15 posted on 08/16/2012 6:13:09 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Paladin2
The exhaust (from the valves of the engine) would be a fire of sorts.

A diesel has combustion from compression not from spark, but it still has combustion.

And a cloud, from what I understood of the explanation, would have enveloped the whole vehicle (my understanding).

I need to find the article that I read that from...

16 posted on 08/16/2012 6:21:12 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: philman_36

Right now, heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of the slain officers, and prayers for those officers who are injured.

We will have the facts in time, but for now, these officers and their families deserve our prayers.


17 posted on 08/16/2012 6:22:15 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Paladin2
This article claims that diesel engines were the source for other refinery fires:

Probe of Richmond refinery fire looking at spark sources

From that article:

The investigator said diesel-powered trucks and generators have been ignition sources at other large refinery fires, including at BP's Texas refinery explosion that killed 15 workers and injured dozens more.

Depends how credible this source is...

18 posted on 08/16/2012 6:27:06 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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UPDATE: [from The Morning Advocate]

The two deaths are Sheriffs Deputies from St Johns Parish.

19 posted on 08/16/2012 6:30:30 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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Update: [Times-Picayune]

One suspect in custody; one suspect is being sought. This report is not confirmed at this time. According to this report, the two wounded deputies are currently in surgery...

20 posted on 08/16/2012 6:41:56 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: MestaMachine
Right now, heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of the slain officers, and prayers for those officers who are injured.
Agreed. Many times traffic control is boring duty for officers, but it's an invaluable service for workers trying to get to work on time.

And these were probably night shift officers who would probably be going home right after their work there ended.

I find the timing very peculiar as well. 5:00 AM? Unless the start time was changed and staggered for some companies in an effort to reduce road congestion the usual start time has traditionally been 7:00 AM with the last buses leaving at 6:30-6:45 (depending on the distance from parking lot to the refinery) which gives workers sufficient time to "swipe in" at the turnstiles and then get to the job site. (which usually means another bus ride on buses already "in plant" to the unit being worked on so that the incoming bus doesn't have to be inspected every time it enters the plant).

Otherwise somebody was there very early to catch the bus in.

21 posted on 08/16/2012 6:46:58 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Valero Energy press release [via WWL]

This morning there was a shooting involving law enforcement officers providing security at an off-site parking lot used by contractors working at the Valero St. Charles Refinery. Valero employees offer their thoughts and prayers to the officers and the families of the officers involved in the shooting. Refinery operations have not been affected. The incident remains under investigation, and questions about the incident itself should be referred to local law enforcement. Any contractor who normally parks in the Montz lot should not report to work today. All other employees and contractors should report as scheduled.

Apparently, this was a parking lot for contractors...

22 posted on 08/16/2012 6:56:34 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120814-709191.html

Read this...is it the same valero that was supposed to do a restart.?


23 posted on 08/16/2012 6:58:21 AM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: topher
Depending on what the vapor cloud consists of the heat from an exhaust manifold is enough to light off the cloud.

If the cloud is comprised of vapors requiring a high ignition point, such as a spark, then you rule that out.

Then you turn to the equipment and vehicles. Maintenance, static lines (if required), location at time of incident...

It's easy to lie in the reports to minimize lawsuits and it's hard to get a "stray" spark from an engine.

I would be more inclined to believe the cloud was released and expanded in volume and then was pushed by the wind and it advanced with no warning until it hit a welder striking an arc or somebody throwing sparks from grinding on something.

That particular plant has a "bad history" for me. And if it was the same management/people when I worked there from before BP took over...almost 200 hands don't walk off the job for nothing.

24 posted on 08/16/2012 7:07:43 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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“Incident occurred near Laplace, Louisiana.”

Just west of New Orleans, on the other side of the lake and marsh area. Very poor, hardworking area for the most part.


25 posted on 08/16/2012 7:11:32 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Paladin2
If a diesel engine is running it will suck in the vapor and cause the engine to “run away” just like spraying starting ether in the engine while its running.

You end up with a flame coming out the exhaust.

26 posted on 08/16/2012 7:17:29 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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Update: 2 Suspsects in custody; third suspect is being sought by police. State Police is in charge of investigation... [Source: News Conference by St John the Baptist Sheriff's Department via WWL Radio]
27 posted on 08/16/2012 7:17:44 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Tigen
I would have to have subscription to WSJ to read article.

Basically, the Valero Refinery had a number of contractors, so it may have been shut down for some sort of work... It is near the Bonne Carre Spillway...

28 posted on 08/16/2012 7:20:34 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Tigen
Refinery is in St Charles Parish.

Refinery is in the city of Norco just off River Road and near the Mississippi River. Lake Pontchartrain is not far away either, but much further away.

WSJ should refer to it as the St Charles Refinery in Norco...

29 posted on 08/16/2012 7:28:24 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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http://www.valero.com/ourbusiness/ourlocations/refineries/pages/stcharles.aspx


30 posted on 08/16/2012 7:33:40 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: topher

This occurred at a remote parking lot in St John Parish, not in St Charles. Worked this area for 20 yrs.


31 posted on 08/16/2012 7:36:16 AM PDT by Airwinger (Semper Fi, Time to use that motto for our Constitution. (ALWAYS FAITHFUL!))
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...so it may have been shut down for some sort of work...

They're called "shutdowns" or "turnarounds". If the work was at an existing unit, and if it wasn't "new construction" (building a "new" unit), then this would be regular maintenance which is performed on a consistent basis.
Some units have annual turnarounds while others can go several years without needing to be shut down for maintenance or repair. It depends on the individual unit and what it does. Sometimes when something in a unit goes wrong you have emergency shutdowns and it's a scramble to get the unit serviced and back on line as quickly as possible.

Many times you'll find two units that perform the same function and the company will schedule even/odd year maintenance so that production isn't stopped during maintenance time. Alternately one unit may operate "full bore" full time all the time and the other may work at 1/2 rate or less all the time and only "full bore" during maintenance of the other unit. There's less wear on that unit and you go longer between maintenance on that one.

It varies from refinery to refinery and from company to company.

32 posted on 08/16/2012 7:39:38 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Airwinger

It’s been a while...it’s what, about a 20 minute drive between Norco and LaPlace and less if you catch the lights right or take a couple of back roads?


33 posted on 08/16/2012 7:53:11 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: deport

St. John shootings took place in 2 locations, Sheriff Mike Tregre says

Two St. John the Baptist Parish sheriff’s deputies were killed and two other deputies were injured in a pair of shootouts early Thursday morning in LaPlace. St. John Sheriff Mike Tregre, in an emotional news conference minutes ago, identified the slain officers as Brandon Nielsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 28. The injured officers are Michael Boyington, 33, and Jason Triche, 30, Tregre said.

Brett Duke, The Times-PicayuneSeveral law enforcement agencies on La. Highway 628 investigate a shootout early Thursday morning that left two St. John the Baptist Parish Sheriff’s Office deputies dead and two other deputies injured. The shooting occurred at a parking lot at the intersection of La. Highway 3217 and Airline Highway.

The first shooting, which Tregre described as an “ambush,” occurred about 5 a.m. at a remote parking lot for the Valero refinery at the intersection of La. Highway 3217 and Airline Highway. Jason Triche and Boyington were working a traffic detail there, Tregre said. He said he didn’t know what prompted the attack.

The second shooting occurred after deputies located a car at the nearby Riverview Trailer Park that matched the description of the car involved in the first shooting.

Tregre said that as Nielsen and Jeremy Triche attempted to question two men outside a trailer there, a third man jumped out with an assault weapon and began firing. Both deputies were killed.

The two injured deputies are currently in surgery, authorities said. Jason Triche is at River Parishes Hospital in LaPlace, while Boyington is at Interim LSU Public Hospital in New Orleans.

Tregre said a total of five suspects are in custody, but authorities are still trying to determine exactly what happened. The Louisiana State Police will oversee the investigation, he said.

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http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/08/st_john_shootings_took_place_i.html


34 posted on 08/16/2012 8:00:49 AM PDT by deport
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FoxNews.com has this as a Frontpage news item:

2 Louisiana sheriff’s deputies killed in morning shootout

35 posted on 08/16/2012 8:08:24 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: deport

Notice the angles. One right through the rear view mirror and then through the glass.
Coming from the front and angled like a drive by.
36 posted on 08/16/2012 8:30:52 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: deport
...deputies located a car at the nearby Riverview Trailer Park...
...authorities are still trying to determine exactly what happened.

This might be part of it...
Mobile homes at Riverview Trailer Park declared unfit for habitation
Sheriff's officers walk around a mobile home looking for occupants on Friday, April 6, 2012 at the River View Trailer Park.
Snip...In total, the city has declared seven trailers unfit for habitation at the park. Four of the trailers, however, were already vacant, Jimenez said. City officials did not conduct further inspections on Monday, but Jimenez said his office will return to the park later this week, when more trailers may be declared unfit for habitation.

Payback for perceived wrongs?

37 posted on 08/16/2012 8:48:38 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: deport
Never mind, that's Lawrence, Kansas.

Still looking.

38 posted on 08/16/2012 9:19:09 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: deport
Now this is from the right place...

St. John crime report
St. John the Baptist Parish Sheriff Mike Tregre has released the following information. The following incidents were reported on Aug. 14 and 15.
Snip...Romell D. Manuel, 34, 11 St. Loupe Drive, LaPlace, was arrested Aug. 13 and booked with illegal use of a weapon, firing from a vehicle and firearm free zone.

39 posted on 08/16/2012 9:30:33 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: deport
Once the names are released this might be a good reference site...
River Parishes Crime and Courts News
40 posted on 08/16/2012 9:33:16 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: topher; deport
No major drug busts that I can find recently either.
Wait and see what gets reported now.
41 posted on 08/16/2012 9:51:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: deport
"five suspects are in custody"

So, are they 0bama voters? Sons?

42 posted on 08/16/2012 10:53:13 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: topher; All

Obligatory media question from presser that is live NOW, ‘we’ve heard rumors that White Supremacists are involved’.

Of the five, there are men and women.


43 posted on 08/16/2012 1:12:44 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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Louisiana 'ambush' kills 2 deputies, wounds 2

Since all of the deputies are/were white who are they claiming the White Supremacists were? The gunmen or the deputies?

44 posted on 08/16/2012 1:28:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I assumed the gunmen. Started as a traffic stop. Another media talking head asked about “the rumor” that one or more of the gunmen worked at the plant and were “disgruntled”. I think that the msm starts the rumormongering.


45 posted on 08/16/2012 1:36:04 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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Started as a traffic stop.
Really?! Where was this interview aired? CNN, PMSNBC, FOX?
46 posted on 08/16/2012 1:42:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

http://www.wwltv.com/video/mobile/Sheriff-talks-about-deceased-wounded-deputies-166453326.html

carried live, but very short on wwltv


47 posted on 08/16/2012 1:54:06 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl; All

interesting unrelated but read on NOLA site (i believe) that this town, Laplace, had a “boil water” order due to a ruptured supply pipeline. This order was lifted at approx 11 this morning.


48 posted on 08/16/2012 1:57:59 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl
Thanks for the link. My system must not be compatible in some manner as I can't get any videos to play...not even the one of time-elapsed video of the afternoon storm.

That's some heavy rain.

49 posted on 08/16/2012 2:47:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

sure is a lot of rain


50 posted on 08/16/2012 2:56:34 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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