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Ryan's immigration shift leaves both left, right uncomfortable
The Hill ^ | 08/16/12 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 08/16/2012 1:14:45 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn

Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-Wis.) shifting position on immigration over the years has left advocates on both sides of the thorny issue uneasy about his possible ascension to the White House.

Mitt Romney's newly named running mate was groomed by pro-immigration Republicans and has a long history of backing bills granting some illegal immigrants legal status — proposals blasted by conservative hard-liners as granting "amnesty" to "law-breakers." But Ryan also has a record of supporting tougher enforcement measures, and recently vowed to oppose any "amnesty" proposals — a rightward shift that has immigrant-rights groups up in arms.

To be sure, Ryan was tapped as Romney's presumptive vice-presidential nominee for his wonky conservatism, confident charisma and high-profile budgets, not his immigration profile, which has been notably low-key over his congressional career. But with immigration certain to play a role on the presidential campaign trail — and with both parties vying for a larger slice of the ever-growing Latino vote — advocates on both sides of the legalization debate are combing Ryan's immigration record for clues to an underlying trend. And neither seems to like what it's found.

Roy Beck, president of Numbers USA, which advocates for tougher immigration laws, said this week that Ryan's overall record on immigration-related bills "is a rogue's list of pro-amnesty [positions]."

"If you want somebody who's pro-amnesty and pro-immigration, he's in the top 10 percent of Republicans," Beck said in a phone interview Tuesday, noting Ryan's past support for George W. Bush's immigration overhaul, measures to legalize illegal-immigrant farm workers and others allowing illegal immigrant students to receive in-state tuition benefits.

Beck was quick to highlight Ryan's 2010 vote against the DREAM Act, as well as Ryan's website message vowing "not [to] support amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants already living in the United States."

"As bad as he's been in the past, he's been improving," Beck said.

Still, immigration hard-liners are conceding that their optimism surrounding Ryan's immigration position rests largely in his low profile on the issue.

"We have reason to hope that he has no passion for the bad immigration actions he has taken in the past," Beck wrote over the weekend, "and would not be committed to advocating for them if elected vice president this fall."

Immigrant-rights advocates, meanwhile, have a decidedly different take. They say Ryan's opposition to the DREAM Act — combined with his support for a 2005 bill that would have turned illegal immigrants from civil offenders to felons — is ample evidence that the Wisconsin Republican has abandoned the more lenient approach to illegal immigrants that marked his earlier years in Washington.

Frank Sharry, executive director of America's Voice, an immigrant-rights group, said this week that Ryan has "lurched to the right the way most of his party has."

By choosing Ryan as his running mate — and not someone like Florida Sen. Marco Rubio (R) — Romney has all but conceded the Hispanic vote to President Obama and the Democrats, Sharry added.

"He's picked a white guy from the Midwest and given up on the Hispanic vote in the Southwest," Sharry said by phone Wednesday. "It further cements the image of Republicans as a bunch of white guys who don't care much about brown people."

Angela Maria Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the liberal Center for American Progress, delivered a similar charge.

"A Romney-Ryan ticket — they're no amigos to Latinos," Kelley said Tuesday in a phone interview. "If there was any shadow of a doubt that a Romney administration would be enforcement-minded, that unfortunately has been erased."

Neither Romney's nor Ryan's office responded to requests for comment for this story.

Through his early political career, Ryan was mentored by Republicans with decidedly pro-immigration positions. As a young man in Washington in the mid-1990s, Ryan worked for Empower America, a conservative think tank headed by the late Rep. Jack Kemp (R-N.Y.) and former Education Secretary William Bennett. While Ryan was onboard, the group famously — critics say infamously — opposed a 1994 California resolution that would have gutted public assistance for illegal immigrants.

"I was told that Ryan was one of the key drafters of that statement," Sharry said this week of Empower America's position paper on the resolution. "Was he a true believer? I don't know."

Ryan later worked as an aide to former-Sen. Sam Brownback (Kan.), another Republican who bucked his party in fights to ease restrictions on illegal immigrants.

Jimmy Kemp, Jack's son, said this week that Ryan's background with those high-profile Republican reformers likely guided his early positions on immigration.

"He watched them take on controversial issues that went straight [against] the party line," Kemp, who now heads the Jack Kemp Foundation, said Wednesday by phone. "Paul learned from my father how to disagree without making personal enemies. That's a lost art."

Former Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah), an original supporter of the DREAM Act and a sponsor of several of the pro-immigrant bills Ryan supported in the 2000s, echoed Kemp's message.

"Paul comes from that very pragmatic, very thoughtful Jack Kemp mode," Cannon said Wednesday by phone.

Cannon conceded that Ryan's new and blanket opposition to "amnesty" bills marks a shift — "clearly, it's a change in emphasis" — and he characterized the GOP's opposition to the DREAM Act as "just plain stupid."

But Cannon also argued that both Ryan and Romney are more interested in solving the nation's immigration problems than aligning with Republican hard-liners who don't want to stop short of deporting every illegal immigrant in the country.

"The people making really harsh demands are just being ridiculous," Cannon said. "You cannot [deport everyone] without having a police state.

"These [GOP hardliners] are people who ostensibly believe in less government," he added. "How much government would it take to round up almost 20 million people?"

The DREAM Act passed the House in late 2010, when Democrats controlled the chamber, but was killed by a GOP filibuster in the Senate.

In response, Obama this year launched a temporary program to forgo deportations for qualified high-achievers brought to the U.S. before the age of 16 — roughly the same population targeted by the DREAM Act. Sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the program is estimated to benefit more than 1 million illegal immigrants. The agency began accepting applications Wednesday.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and among the most consistent opponents of "amnesty" proposals, has been among the most vocal critics of Obama's unilateral move, saying it's an unconstitutional power grab that ignores Congress's wishes.

Smith, however, declined to comment on Ryan's immigration record, instead issuing a brief statement praising his fiscal conservatism.

"There is no one better to speak to the American people about how to fix the economy, create jobs and reduce the deficit,” Smith said this week in an email.

Another sharp critic of Obama's "deferred action" program is Sen. Chuck Grassley (Iowa), the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee. But like Smith, Grassley is being careful not to drive a wedge between Republicans on immigration.

"No matter what concerns people may have about Congressman Ryan's immigration votes, they pale in comparison to the Obama administration's immigration policies, where it's rule by fiat," Grassley said Wednesday in an email. "This administration has consistently thumbed its nose at the rule of law and put politics above responsible policy."

Obama's unilateral move propelled immigration into the spotlight of a presidential election contest in which the Latino vote could be the deciding factor in a number of key battleground states, including Florida, Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico.

The DHS program also forced Romney to unveil an immigration reform plan of his own. That proposal focuses heavily on enforcement measures, like increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and completing the fence along the Mexican border — all ideas sure to win favor from conservatives — but it also offers green cards to some immigrant students and opens a pathway to citizenship for those illegal immigrants who join the military.

Democrats and immigrant-rights advocates contend the plan is sure to alienate Latino voters. But supporters say Romney's decision to remain tough on enforcement is smart in that it won't alienate his conservative base. Beck, for one, said many Latino voters are looking at issues outside the realm of immigration policy.

"If you want to get Latino voters, you're not going to get them based on immigration things," he said. "You're going to get them on economic issues."

He also had a warning for Republicans thinking of going soft on enforcement.

"The Republican base," he said, "simply won't put up with any more George Bushes."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; backstabberryan; dreamact; immigration; rinoryan; romney; ryan
Both Romney and Ryan, to be charitable, have had less than sterling immigration records but do seem to be waking up and smelling the tea. However, I think conservatives will have to be prepared to take these guys on after they are elected to make sure their backbones stay intact when it comes to immigration. I like the way the article ends: "The Republican base," he said, "simply won't put up with any more George Bushes."
1 posted on 08/16/2012 1:14:55 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: SharpRightTurn
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Both Romney and Ryan, to be charitable, have had less than sterling immigration records but do seem to be waking up and smelling the tea.

However, I think conservatives will have to be prepared to take these guys on after they are elected to make sure their backbones stay intact when it comes to immigration.

I like the way the article ends: "The Republican base," he said, "simply won't put up with any more George Bushes."



This isn't a personal attack, so please don't take it that way ...

"Why oh Why" ... do we American Christian Tea party Conservatives ...

"always" ... eternally ...

have to tell ourselves ...

"we'll REALLY HAVE TO FIGHT to keep our guy (fill-in-the-blank) to the Political Right ...

after we sacrifice, contribute, walk precients, vote ...

and generally make DAMN FOOLS of ourselves ?




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2 posted on 08/16/2012 1:20:38 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Then elect Obama so all of Central and South America get in on our elections, food stamp, and welfare programs!

The first rule of driving is “FRIST, GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION! Then worry about which lane you’re in”!


3 posted on 08/16/2012 1:23:59 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: SharpRightTurn
Let's face it - you are never going to see a GOP presidential or vice-presidential nominee who is truly, actually, effectively opposed to illegal immigration. It simply will not be allowed by the party establishment, since the GOP-E has too much invested in "Hispanic outreach" and big bucks from businesses that want cheap, exploitable labour.
4 posted on 08/16/2012 1:25:15 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

“This isn’t a personal attack, so please don’t take it that way ...”

I don’t.

“Why oh Why” ... do we American Christian Tea party Conservatives ... “always” ... eternally ... have to tell ourselves ... “we’ll REALLY HAVE TO FIGHT to keep our guy (fill-in-the-blank) to the Political Right ... after we sacrifice, contribute, walk precients, vote ... and generally make DAMN FOOLS of ourselves ?”

Because we weren’t successful getting a solid conservative nominated. So we have to deal with what we have.


5 posted on 08/16/2012 1:30:55 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: G Larry

“Then elect Obama so all of Central and South America get in on our elections, food stamp, and welfare programs!”

No thanks.

“The first rule of driving is “FRIST, GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION! Then worry about which lane you’re in”!”

If you want to look no further than November, fine. I’m not overlooking November but am also looking beyond. That’s one of the reasons we will need as many conservatives in the Senate and House as possible. We don’t want a congress going along with a president just because he’s got an R after his name (like the Republican congress did with Bush).


6 posted on 08/16/2012 1:34:58 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SharpRightTurn

THe Hill, like Politico, is doing all they can to “help” Republicans and Conservatives unite. I am so glad The Hill always provide these wedge articles which seek only to “help” Republicans. Funny though, they never write such articles seeking to “help” Democrats like this. Huh, that’s funny.


7 posted on 08/16/2012 1:35:32 PM PDT by Obadiah (If Reagan had another son he would have looked like Paul Ryan.)
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To: SharpRightTurn; Norseman; AuntB; Liz; stephenjohnbanker; cuban leaf; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ..
Roy Beck, president of Numbers USA, which advocates for tougher immigration laws, said this week that Ryan's overall record on immigration-related bills “is a rogue's list of pro-amnesty [positions].”
“If you want somebody who's pro-amnesty and pro-immigration, he's in the top 10 percent of Republicans,” Beck said in a phone interview Tuesday, noting Ryan's past support for George W. Bush's immigration overhaul, measures to legalize illegal-immigrant farm workers and others allowing illegal immigrant students to receive in-state tuition benefits.
Beck was quick to highlight Ryan's 2010 vote against the DREAM Act, as well as Ryan's website message vowing “not [to] support amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants already living in the United States.”
“As bad as he's been in the past, he's been improving,” Beck said.

ping

8 posted on 08/16/2012 1:38:56 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SharpRightTurn

If both pro-amnesty and anti-immigration groups are complaining about Ryan’s record on immigration, that probably means that he is lukewarm on the issue and will go where the public leads him. Frankly, as the article states, Ryan wasn’t selected as Romney’s VP based on his immigration position. As important as it may be for many, this election won’t be won or lost on that issue and, as VP, Paul Ryan won’t be the guy who signs any future immigration bills so his position on immigration, while worth noting, is not going to be of paramount importance to many independent voters.


9 posted on 08/16/2012 1:39:12 PM PDT by Jim Scott (Obama must be defeated)
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To: G Larry
"The first rule of driving is “FRIST, GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION! Then worry about which lane you’re in”!

Is that any relation to we have to pass it to find out what's in it?

Don't ever trust a single word coming out of Romney's or Pelosi's mouth.

10 posted on 08/16/2012 1:41:06 PM PDT by Waryone (Definition of insane: nominating the father of socialized medicine to replace socialized medicine)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“Let’s face it - you are never going to see a GOP presidential or vice-presidential nominee who is truly, actually, effectively opposed to illegal immigration. It simply will not be allowed by the party establishment, since the GOP-E has too much invested in “Hispanic outreach” and big bucks from businesses that want cheap, exploitable labour.”

You may be right about that. Or not.

You are right that the establishment hacks and their Chamber of Commerce buddies want endless supplies of third-world labor to drive down loabor costs at the expense of the American worker, the cultural rot and societal ills be damned.

But enough heat has been brought to bear on these guys that, while they may still prefer open borders, they know that a Bush/McCain type approach to immigration will now make them political roadkill. That’s why we saw Romney, who I understand formerly had no problem with sanctuary cities, take a moderately hard approach in the primaries.

But you have to keep the heat on these kinds of guys after the elections are over, as you well know.


11 posted on 08/16/2012 1:41:24 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Obadiah

“THe Hill, like Politico, is doing all they can to “help” Republicans and Conservatives unite. I am so glad The Hill always provide these wedge articles which seek only to “help” Republicans. Funny though, they never write such articles seeking to “help” Democrats like this. Huh, that’s funny.”

I agree that The Hill is not likely to come to the assistance of Republicans. However, the main thrust of the article is correct in showing some shift in Ryan’s immigration positions while admitting there are still questions. Ryan certainly hasn’t defined himself as explicitly on immigration as he has on budgetary and spending matters.


12 posted on 08/16/2012 1:46:23 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Jim Scott

“If both pro-amnesty and anti-immigration groups are complaining about Ryan’s record on immigration, that probably means that he is lukewarm on the issue and will go where the public leads him. Frankly, as the article states, Ryan wasn’t selected as Romney’s VP based on his immigration position. As important as it may be for many, this election won’t be won or lost on that issue and, as VP, Paul Ryan won’t be the guy who signs any future immigration bills so his position on immigration, while worth noting, is not going to be of paramount importance to many independent voters.”

Good points. I think Ryan probably is lukewarm to immigration issues. And “will go where the public leads him” is my point in posting this article. We have to be prepared to “lead” (probably “push”) Romeny and Ryan on immigration if they are elected.

And while I agree that debt and spending are the issues of most concern right now, as others have pointed out on this board in the past, immigration is part of our debt and spending problem (along with being part of other problems as well).


13 posted on 08/16/2012 1:51:47 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Waryone

No, it relates to saving America from Obama first, then worry about how much steering Romney/Ryan need from the House & Senate.

At least they respect Constitutional constraints, and won’t act unilaterally, as Obama has.


14 posted on 08/16/2012 2:03:22 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: sickoflibs

Looks like Ryan will go which way the wind blows, which means we can’t trust him.


15 posted on 08/16/2012 2:22:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: G Larry

Romney’s past says he has no problem creating laws by executive order. But if you’re one of those types who believes it’s ok because Romney’s lawless socialism was only at the state level, you just hold on tight to your dreams.


16 posted on 08/16/2012 2:26:00 PM PDT by Waryone (Definition of insane: nominating the father of socialized medicine to replace socialized medicine)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

because we care about our country and the constitution


17 posted on 08/16/2012 2:55:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SharpRightTurn; All

Yeah, but we’ve seen that game before.

They know the heat’s on, so they “talk tough” on immigration to get elected.

After elected, they walk it back and do what they intended to do all long.

When the next election rolls around and people start making noise about the betrayal, they roll out their lackeys to remind us all that “this is the mostest importantest election EVAH!” and that those complaining about their doubletalk are just “helping to get _fill in the blank_ elected!!!”

Wash, rinse, repeat.


18 posted on 08/16/2012 3:02:01 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: G Larry
At least they respect Constitutional constraints, and won’t act unilaterally, as Obama has.

Sorry, but we don't know that to be true.

19 posted on 08/16/2012 3:03:35 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Nifster
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I agree ...a good reply ...


It bothers me greatly that during the entire 2012 GOP Primary debates ...

we never heard "once" ... from Myth Romney ...

lead an answer with the phrase ... "The Constitution says ..."

like Newt Gingrich did frequently ...



Have a great evening ....


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20 posted on 08/16/2012 3:21:38 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: SharpRightTurn
Impeach them ~ if immigration is an issue and these two look like they're going to win against Obama and his running dog lackeys then we need to start the proceedings by January 21, 2013 to get them done in time for final budget processing in late April/early May.

That'll give us time to run elections for a couple of new House members to replace the Speaker and to get a new Vice President lined up (have to fill both positions).

21 posted on 08/16/2012 3:32:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Taking over the GOPe is going to take several years but we have the best chance ever of doing just that since the Tea Party vote has become active. Have faith. We need to really focus on the house and senate and state elections. This is just one battle in a long war but we can’t give up after we have come so far.


22 posted on 08/16/2012 3:50:49 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: Waryone

Send Obama more money, he needs your help to destroy this country.


23 posted on 08/16/2012 4:00:10 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Send Obama more money, he needs your help to destroy this country.


24 posted on 08/16/2012 4:01:11 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: sickoflibs

” “If you want somebody who’s pro-amnesty and pro-immigration, he’s in the top 10 percent of Republicans,””

Well, it’s a little late to bring that up, isn’t it? We have what we have. And this is what we’ll keep getting because the general public pays no attention to primaries or issues until they directly impact themselves, and that’s usually too late.

It just happens a little slower with republicans in office because they don’t have the media to push their agenda.

You’re simply witnessing how a nation is lost. That’s all.
Someday you can tell your kids and grandkids how you
witnessed the events and players that destroyed the United States of America. My stupid kids and grandkids don’t care.
Maybe yours will.


25 posted on 08/16/2012 4:18:55 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: G Larry

Two socialists don’t make anything right. You keep on dreaming about your socialist. I won’t support either one of them.

Remember, Soros loves the fact that you chosen one of his people.


26 posted on 08/16/2012 4:20:11 PM PDT by Waryone (Definition of insane: nominating the father of socialized medicine to replace socialized medicine)
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To: SharpRightTurn
and with both parties vying for a larger slice of the ever-growing Latino vote —

If Republicans don't stop vying for the Latino vote, they might as well forget it in the long run. They'll never outpander the Dims and pandering puts off and costs votes among the Republican base.

The same message for all voters, or just hang it up after one or two more presidential election cycles.

27 posted on 08/16/2012 4:57:54 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SharpRightTurn

Republicans flip-flop and shift.

Democrats grow and evolve.


28 posted on 08/16/2012 4:59:01 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: All; SharpRightTurn
While Ryan was onboard, the group famously — critics say infamously — opposed a 1994 California resolution that would have gutted public assistance for illegal immigrants.

And Prop 187 was the last gasp CA GOP had in California. They're a permanently irrelevant minority in the state.

29 posted on 08/16/2012 5:54:43 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 82 days away.)
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To: Waryone

Nothing you’re doing is helping America.


30 posted on 08/16/2012 6:06:17 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: G Larry

What the socialists Obama and Romney do won’t help either. They’ll just make things worse. Unfortunately, people in both parties have been deceived.


31 posted on 08/16/2012 6:44:14 PM PDT by Waryone (Definition of insane: nominating the father of socialized medicine to replace socialized medicine)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Open borders and blanket amnesty is straight out of the globalist CFR choir book.

Since the elites of BOTH parties sing the same tune on illegal immigration, Ryan and Romney are revealed as card carrying members of the globalist elite.

Duncan Hunter in 2008 is the only Republican presidential candidate in recent memory that did not sell his mortal soul to the internationalists and globalists.

Our Republic will NOT survive if we continue with open borders and compound that with blanket amnesty.


32 posted on 08/16/2012 6:54:17 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: SharpRightTurn

33 posted on 08/16/2012 9:04:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: AuntB
RE :” “If you want somebody who’s pro-amnesty and pro-immigration, he’s in the top 10 percent of Republicans,””
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Well, it’s a little late to bring that up, isn’t it?

You do know when I post italic it means it's a quote from elsewhere? In this case of the above it is the thread post and your words above not my words.

I wouldn't say that it's useless information though. We need to watch these Rs closely.

MSNBC(Democrats) are making Ryan out to be the most extreme conservative known to mankind, In fact both Democrats/ liberal and RINOs here keep telling me how EXTREMELY conservative Ryan is.

34 posted on 08/16/2012 10:27:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: AuntB
RE :”And this is what we’ll keep getting because the general public pays no attention to primaries or issues until they directly impact themselves, and that’s usually too late.

That is my point about businesses. They tend to support amnesty and affordable housing programs to bring them more labor competition without worrying about the longer term taxing and regulation consequences.

In fact remember my comments about local citizen home owners uniting in political associations to slow new housing development with local zoning laws? Well it's the same line of thinking. I know Thomas Sowell has an opposite view but he has yet to explain why my taxes skyrocketed after massive housing development moved in the Democats to take over the local government (and fixed the state government as Democrat) helped me or served the cause of freedom long term.

35 posted on 08/16/2012 10:42:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SharpRightTurn

Who cares? Obama just gave unilateral amnesty to 2 million illegals! Judging by the deafening silence from conservative media, politicians, and voters, we are all OK with it.

Why not a pro-amnesty GOP nominee? The last two were pro-Amnesty as well, do they even make anti-amnesty Republicans these days? Just remove all border security, its a waste of money since its a massive government project that achieves exactly nothing, might as well just charge 10 bucks for entering the US and generate some tax dollars.


36 posted on 08/16/2012 11:34:19 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: sickoflibs

” You do know when I post italic it means it’s a quote from elsewhere? In this case of the above it is the thread post and your words above not my words.”

Oh, good grief, of course I know it! I wasn’t quoting you, was I??? I was quoting Beck...he’s the one who said it, right? Touchy today, sol? lol


37 posted on 08/17/2012 7:52:59 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
RE :”Oh, good grief, of course I know it! I wasn’t quoting you, was I??? I was quoting Beck...he’s the one who said it, right? Touchy today, sol? lol

Yep, I was getting some grief here as usual. I was thinking "I know I didn't type that" :)

38 posted on 08/20/2012 12:22:49 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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