Posted on 08/16/2012 5:09:46 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
(CNSNews.com) – The Social Security Administration posted a blog on Thursday to explain why it was planning to purchase 174,000 hollow point bullets.
SSA posted a "Request for Quote for Ammunition" on the FedBizOps.gov website on Aug. 7. The request listed the commodity that SSA desired as ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition." The quantity listed was "174 TH."
The SSA’s Office of the Inspector General’s said it posted a new blog on the agency’s website, “Beyond the Numbers,” “as we strive to be a transparent and accountable government organization for all of our stakeholders.
“With those goals in mind, we thought it would be appropriate to address recent media reports regarding the organization’s purchase of ammunition for our special agents’ duty weapons,” the blog post states.
The blog states that the SSA has 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.
“These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests,” the blog post states. “Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers.
“They use traditional investigative techniques, and they are armed when on official duty,” the blog post states.
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To hell with that nonsense. The SSA shouldn’t be arresting anyone for anything. Period. Much less thinking of shooting anyone!!
“...357 Sig ?”
WTF ?
Since Social Security fraud seems to be rampant, it can be said that these folks aren’t working too hard on the arresting part.
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How about buying what is on the market to raise prices beyond the means of average gun enthusiasts? Supply and demand ring a bell? Glad I load my own.
From now on.. when we say enter your social secutity number as xxx-xx-xxxx NOT xxxxxxxxx we mean it!
174,000 divided by 295 officers? How many shots have they fired in the line of duty in the last decade? The last 3 years? How many to they plan to fire in the next 4?
I guess that Death Panels are too slow for the Satanic Obamanation.
The SSA has SWAT JBTs? Why is that?
357 Sig is a spiffy cartridge.
Barack Hussein Obama II fails e-verify. The social security number he used on his latest tax returns is from Connecticut, where neither he nor his presumed parents ever lived.
If they want to use bullets so they can make arrests, I know somebody they should be arresting...
So each little department of the government can have its own little army.
If one supports the premise that they should be armed, in my opinion, this is not enough ammo. This amount only allows for one year of range time at about 55 rounds a month per gun. Not enough practice for gaining any level of proficiency.
WTF are administrative government organizations doing buying weapons and ammunition!?!! They have absolutely no business purchasing any sort of weapons or ammo whatsoever. This stinks to high hell and then some. An arms buildup may be them tipping their hand.
I’ve fired the .357 Sig, twice at a local range and was surprised by the lack of “blast” like my .40 Glock.
I thought the FBI and others had settled on 10 MM pistols...
Don't get so excited. I'm sure the SSA police will be sharing their ammunition with the Medicare SWAT teams.
Maybe we should have a couple hundred FReepers send in one of these on Baraq:
http://oig.ssa.gov/report-fraud-waste-or-abuse/fraud-waste-and-abuse
“Don’t Ignore Fraud. Speak Up.
Do you suspect someone of committing fraud, waste, or abuse against Social Security? SSA’s OIG Fraud Hotline takes reports of alleged, fraud, waste, and abuse.
Reporting is easy, safe, and secure. You can reach us by internet, phone, mail, or facsimile.”
“The SSA has SWAT JBTs?”
More like SSA Bunco Squad.
Apparently SSA prefers 357 Sig.
WTF ?
The .357 Sig is a cartridge for semiautomatics, as opposed to the .357 Magnum which is used in revolvers.
Here is a comparison of the .357 Sig cartridge against the .357 magnum. The shorter .357 Sig is on the left. It's a great round.
.357 Sig.
Size comparison of .357 Sig and .357 Magnum. Sig on left, Magnum on right.
Size comparison of .357 Sig and 9mm.
Ballistic comparison.
I think the FBI went from 10mm to 40S&W because some of the smaller agents could not handle 10mm.
40 is just a shortened 10, and you are right, the 40S&W has some muzzle serious rise.
Well if they are serious about SS fraud, they should start at 1600 penn ave. Sounds like Obama is making his domestic army right under the noses of congress..well armed union goons and government workers.
That is a serious wound channel.
I reported his fraudulent COLB to the FBI. They’re a bad, bad joke.
As long as we’ve got Eric Holder in law enforcement and all Obama’s buddies at the heads of the executive agencies, there will be no rule of law. The only people who will ever be prosecuted for crimes are people Obama wants to get rid of.
But it probably wouldn’t hurt to let the bureaucrats know we know they’re not doing their jobs because they’ve been told they can’t...
Why can’t the FBI investigate SS fraud issues? What is this with agencies “self-policing”? If there such problems with SS, I want the FBI or an OUTSIDE organization in there figuring out what’s really happening...not that in any way our employees at the SS agency might contruct things such that they would need to be swept under the carpet .../s
“Since Social Security fraud seems to be rampant, it can be said that these folks aren’t working too hard on the arresting part.”
Bears repeating.
They went to the 40 because too many woman agents were complaining that the 10MM kicked to hard. And since they wanted something more powerful then a 9MM, the 40 was the answer.
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
I suspect that training uses up a significant amount of ammunition each year.
They have armed security guards at many of their facilities and have for years. One can debate the need for this (especially when there is already a security force run by another agency that is supposed to handle security for all administrative buildings), but it isn’t a grand conspiracy.
When did the SSA, NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), and NWS (National Weather Service) get their own police? I can understand DHS and ICE placing orders, but the SSA and the Weather Service?????
The hell they are like State or local police. The are Federal tax collectors. If they need police, they can notify the county sheriff to assist and show cause.
Yes. Of course. Why wouldn't it be? Do I REALLY need a </sarc> tag???
The blog states that the SSA has 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.
“These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests,” the blog post states. “Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers.
SINCE WHEN???
How much would 174K of those cost?
I know many people who shoot over 1k each week practicing for SASS, 3 gun, bowling pins, etc. Not me, mind you - I lost my entire collection in a tragic ice fishing accident.
A friend of mine used to work for SSA. Some of the stories he told me about people he had to work with on their cases, I would have wanted a gun.
“The public” is always an interesting mix.
One should ask: WHY does the SSA even have a police division? Better yet, WHY do we have over 100,000 Federal Law Enforcemnt officials. this is the list of Federal Law Enforcement per Wkipedia:
History
Federal law enforcement in the United States is well over two hundred years old. For example, the Postal Inspection Service can trace its origins back to 1772.[2]
Executive Branch
Department of Agriculture (USDA)
Office of Inspector General (USDAOIG)
United States Forest Service (USFS) U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement and Investigations (USFSLEI)
Department of Commerce (DOC)
Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) Office of Export Enforcement (OEE)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) National Institute of Standards and Technology Police (NIST Police)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries Office for Law Enforcement (OLE)
Department of Commerce Office of Security (DOCOS)
Department of Commerce Office of Inspector General (DOCOIG)
Department of Defense
Office of Inspector General (DODOIG) Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS)
Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA) United States Pentagon Police (USPPD)
Department of Defense Police
Defense Logistics Agency Police (DLA)
National Security Agency Police (NSA)
Defense Intelligence Agency Police (DIA)
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Police (NGA)
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR)
Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
Department of the Army
Counterintelligence activity (CI), United States Army Intelligence and Security Command
United States Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID)
United States Army Military Police Corps
Department of the Army Police
United States Army Corrections Command
Department of the Navy
Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
United States Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division (MC CID)
Department of the Navy Police (civilian police)
Marine Corps Provost Marshal’s Office (military police)
United States Marine Corps Police (civilian police)
United States Naval Academy Police (civilian police)
Master-at-Arms (U.S. Navy military police)
Department of the Air Force
Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI)
Air Force Security Forces Center (AFSFC)
Department of the Air Force Police
Department of Education
Office of the Inspector General (EDOIG)
Department of Energy (DOE)
Office of Inspector General (DOEOIG)
Office of Health, Safety and Security (DOEHSS)
Office of Secure Transportation (OST)
Department of Health and Human Services
United States Food and Drug and Administration (HHSFDA) Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI)
National Institutes of Health (NIH) National Institutes of Health Police (NIH Police)
Office of Inspector General (HHSOIG)
Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
CBP Officers and Border Patrol Agents at a ceremony in 2007 Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC)
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
United States Coast Guard (USCG) Coast Guard Investigative Service (CGIS)
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Office of Air and Marine (OAM)
Office of Border Patrol (OBP)
Office of Field Operations (OFO)
Federal Protective Service (FPS)
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement Removal Operations (ERO)
Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)
Office of Intelligence
Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)
United States Secret Service (USSS)
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS)
Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (DHSOIG)
Department of Housing and Urban Development
Office of Inspector General (HUD/OIG) [1]
Protective Service Division (HUDPSD)
Department of the Interior (USDI)
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Bureau of Indian Affairs Police (BIA Police)
Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Bureau of Land Management Office of Law Enforcement (BLM Rangers and Special Agents)
Bureau of Reclamation (BOR) Bureau of Reclamation Office of Law Enforcement (BOR Rangers)
Hoover Dam Police aka Bureau of Reclamation Police
National Park Service (NPS) Division of Law Enforcement, Security and Emergency Services (Law Enforcement Rangers)
United States Park Police
Office of Inspector General (DOIOIG)
Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement (OSMRE)
United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) Office of Law Enforcement
Division of Refuge Law Enforcement
Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)
United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) (since 1973)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Federal Bureau of Investigation Police (FBI Police)
Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
Office of Inspector General (DOJOIG)
United States Marshals Service (USMS)
Department of Labor
Office of Inspector General (DOLOIG)
Department of State (DoS)
Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) U.S. Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
Office of Foreign Missions
Office of the Inspector General of the Department of State
Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Office of Inspector General (DOTOIG)
United States Merchant Marine Academy Department of Public Safety (USMMADPS)
Office of Odometer Fraud Investigation - NHTSA (OFI)
Department of the Treasury
A Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP) patrol car. Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP Police)
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN)
Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CI)
Office of Inspector General (TREASOIG)
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
United States Mint Police (USMP)
Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP)
Department of Veterans Affairs
Office of Inspector General (VAOIG)
Veterans Affairs Police
Legislative Branch
Library of Congress, Office of Security and Emergency Preparedness (LOC)
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate
United States Capitol Police (USCP)
United States Government Printing Office Police
Office of Inspector General, United States Government Printing Office
Judicial Branch
Marshal of the United States Supreme Court United States Supreme Court Police
Administrative Office of the United States Courts, Office of Probation and Pretrial Services (AOUSC)
Independent Agencies and Quasi-official Corporations
Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service (CIASPS)
United States Environmental Protection Agency Criminal Investigation Division (EPACID)
Office of Inspector General (EPAOIG)
National Aeronautics and Space Administration Office of Inspector General (NASAOIG)
NASA Security Services
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Inspector General (NRCOIG)
Office of Personnel Management, Office of Inspector General (OPMOIG)
Railroad Retirement Board, Office of Inspector General (RRBOIG)
Small Business Administration, Office of Inspector General (SBAOIG)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of Inspector General (FDICOIG)
General Services Administration, Office of Inspector General (GSAOIG)
Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General (SSAOIG)
United States Postal Service (USPS) USPS Office of Inspector General (USPSOIG)
United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS) U.S. Postal Police
Smithsonian Institution Office of Protection Services (SI)
National Zoological Park Police (NZPP)
Office of the Inspector General (OIG)
Amtrak Amtrak Office of Inspector General
Amtrak Office of Security Strategy and Special Operations (OSSSO)
Amtrak Police
Federal Reserve Bank: Federal Reserve Police
Tennessee Valley Authority Tennessee Valley Authority Office of Inspector General (TVAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority Police (TVAP)
United States Agency for International Development, Office of Inspector General (AIDOIG)
Statistics
In 2004, federal agencies employed approximately 105,000 full-time personnel authorized to make arrests and carry firearms in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Compared with 2002, employment of such personnel increased by 13%.
Nationwide, there were 36 federal officers per 100,000 residents. Outside the District of Columbia, which had 1,662 per 100,000, State ratios ranged from 90 per 100,000 in Arizona to 7 per 100,000 in Iowa.
As of 2004, about 3 in 4 federal law enforcement officers working outside the Armed Forces were employed within the Department of Homeland Security or the Department of Justice.
Federal officers’ duties included criminal investigation (38%), police response and patrol (21%), corrections and detention (16%), inspections (16%), court operations (5%), and security and protection (4%).
Women accounted for 16% of federal officers in 2004, an increase from 14.8% in 2002.
A third (33.2%) of federal officers were members of a racial or ethnic minority in 2004. This included 17.7% who were Hispanic or Latino, and 11.4% who were black or African American. In 2002, racial or ethnic minorities officers comprised 32.4% of federal officers.
Twenty-seven federal offices of inspector general (IG) employed criminal investigators with arrest and firearm authority in 2004. Overall, these agencies employed 2,867 such officers in the 50 states and District of Columbia.[3
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama, 7/2/2008
They don’t call it a Civil Defense force, that would imply we need (or perhaps deserve) defense.
The official name is National Civilian Community Corps.
I think of it as the NATCCC, or simply the NATCs...
As a member of law enforcement, I’ve done many joint details with various agencies of the federal government. And yes, the SSA has armed investigators. Just like HUD, FDA, and any other federal agency you can think of. Why? Because the folks that run those agencies can’t call on the US Marshals, FBI, SS, DEA or any other agency to lock someone up if they need to. So, they get their own goon squad.
However, a little known fact is.....when the Feds train, whether just doing their quarterly, qualifying or doing some sort of additional training, they use hollow points. The same ammunition that they use as duty rounds. While most law enforcement agencies(State, county, city, local, etc, etc) will buy FMJ rounds for training and hollow points for duty. Why again? Because FMJ rounds are cheaper.
Where does that bring us, with all these crazy purchases? As the Moron in the White House expands the government and in so doing, expands federal law enforcement with it, they need more bullets. Might not be the whole answer, but definitely something to consider.
Just wait until he has to hire 6000 IRS agents for his health care plan. Figure....6000 agents - shooting about 500 rounds a week(on the low end) for 20+ weeks.....someone else do the math. It scares me to think of all the wasted money.
Peter Santilli calls the Secret Service and the FBI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy0zCdbb-2c#t=54m26s
YIKES! I wish I’d known the NIST was armed when I forced them to recalibrate their master standard!
It scares me even more to think they might not be wasting it!
How long has he used the SSN in question? If it has only been seen since he was President, it might be a fake to shield his actual SSN. Just a guess on my part.
How long has he used the SSN in question? If it has only been seen since he was President, it might be a fake to shield his actual SSN. Just a guess on my part.
How the hell am I supose to discern who may lawfully draw down on me, bust down my door or issue an order I am lawfully compelled to obey?
Too many damn agencies that I would never guess have powers of arrest.
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