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Bitter Harvest (Oliver North)
Creators Syndicate ^ | August 17, 2012 | Oliver North

Posted on 08/16/2012 5:47:42 PM PDT by jazusamo

WASHINGTON — In December 2009, our commander in chief went to West Point and proclaimed that he would withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by 2014. Since then, he has proudly emphasized that "We are on a course to end this war responsibly." Now U.S. and NATO troops and loyal Afghan soldiers and police officers are reaping the bitter harvest of the seeds that Barack Obama planted with those words.

Over the last 10 days, in five separate incidents, seven American military personnel were killed in what used to be called "green on blue attacks" — where Afghan soldiers or police have assaulted their U.S. and NATO counterparts. Thus far this year, 37 coalition troops and civilians have been killed in 29 incidents of what the Pentagon now calls "insider attacks." According to figures released by the NATO command in Kabul, there were 11 such events in all last year, resulting in 20 deaths.

Until now, the Pentagon and NATO command in Kabul have maintained that these "sporadic incidents" were usually the consequence of "personal grievances" and "related to people getting into arguments." In March, after an insider attack that killed two British commandos, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the assaults by individuals wearing Afghan police or military uniforms weren't part of "any kind of broad pattern of activity." That perception has been altered by events on the ground in Afghanistan.

On Tuesday, following two attacks perpetrated by Afghan nationals that resulted in six Marines killed and two wounded, U.S. Gen. James Amos, Marine Corps commandant, took the unusual step of issuing guidance to all U.S. Marine leaders. Amos, it should be recalled by my media colleagues, co-authored the "Counterinsurgency Manual" with Gen. David Petraeus; it was used as the guidebook for the fight in Afghanistan...

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1 posted on 08/16/2012 5:47:58 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Remember when W was President newspapers and network news used to have a “Body Count” update featured prominently?


2 posted on 08/16/2012 6:05:04 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: preacher

Afghanistan is not worth one American life.
Why are we there ?


3 posted on 08/16/2012 6:06:28 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I agree. Karzai is a corrupt turkey and is playing both sides. Between his payoffs for releasing Taliban leaders, no matter how small, the huge sums coming from us and the drug payoffs for the poppy fields he's becoming a rich man. Pull out and let them stew in their own corruption without US dollars.
4 posted on 08/16/2012 6:33:56 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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5 posted on 08/16/2012 6:45:04 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Put the blame where it belongs for this one, on the Bush administration the the “nation building” foolishness. Afghanistan should have been nuked out of existence, along with both neighbors. Then it should have been declared a US territory, or alternatively ungoverned territory available to others to colonize and tame.

Nation building with primitive Mohammedan is amazingly naive. Isn’t there anyone with any sense in State? (rhetorical sarcasm there)

Nuke Mecca & Medina and end Islam. No Haj = no 5th pillar = no fulfilment of the Islamic religious obligation = an extinct god. Allah = Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, etc.


6 posted on 08/16/2012 6:48:47 PM PDT by wrencher
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To: wrencher

Well said...despite the best of (but misplaced) intentions we should have learned by now that it’s impossible to reason with or worse, placate, Islam.

The mullahs have demonstrated time and again that compromise is not a language they speak or even wish to understand.


7 posted on 08/16/2012 7:50:54 PM PDT by O6ret
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To: jazusamo

Col. North is a good man. He remembers what happened to our allies in Southeast Asia when we pulled out, and it hurts him. He’s using the same paradigm to think about Afghanistan, but it doesn’t work. There may be decent individuals, but all the factions are bad, and the entire national culture is rotten to the core.

It’s like someone said about Somalia, “Build a wall around it,” or just walk away, “and let them do what they’ve always done.”


8 posted on 08/16/2012 7:54:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's not poetic justice, but it's something awfully close to it.)
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To: jazusamo
Over the last 10 days, in five separate incidents, seven American military personnel were killed in what used to be called "green on blue attacks" — where Afghan soldiers or police have assaulted their U.S. and NATO counterparts. Thus far this year, 37 coalition troops and civilians have been killed in 29 incidents of what the Pentagon now calls "insider attacks."

It's going to get worse the closer we get to pulling out... Standing with an American means soon you'll be standing alone... these folks are trying to make it possible NOT to be murdered when we leave. Obama's an idiot for pulling this trick...

9 posted on 08/16/2012 8:05:07 PM PDT by GOPJ (“Family: One of God’s masterpieces.” sign at Chris McMurray's bakery - Crumb and Get It)
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To: jazusamo

Hmmmmmmmmmmm jaz, Did you forget the ping list?


10 posted on 08/16/2012 9:06:22 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch; 2rightsleftcoast; abner; ACAC; advertising guy; amom; AnalogReigns; Anoreth; ...
Hmmmmmmmmmmm jaz, Did you forget the ping list?

Thanks, rqsr!!...Red faced and embarrased, I sure did. Was just going to log out and thought I'd check pings and glad I did. :-)

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11 posted on 08/16/2012 9:39:56 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: GOPJ
“It's going to get worse the closer we get to pulling out... “

Agreed. Also, as the War ramps down, Spec Ops participation is ramping up. They will take the majority of casualties. What makes that even worse is the time, money, and amount of training it takes to build a Spec Ops troop. Spec Ops will be severely damaged by the end of the draw down. We can not afford to lose any troops in that crap hole, but losing a great many spec ops troops is asinine, criminal and intentional.

12 posted on 08/16/2012 10:12:04 PM PDT by Max_850
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To: jazusamo

Iraq is hurting, and the thinking is minor presence would have helped significantly to maintain some sense of order. But the superficial, petulant scumbag decided otherwise.


13 posted on 08/17/2012 2:36:37 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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>> and the thinking is minor presence

???

and the thinking is: minor presence would have helped to maintain order... (in a significant way, blah, blah, blah)


14 posted on 08/17/2012 3:28:49 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: jazusamo

It is said of the Islamic religion the only way to be sure of Heaven is to die as a martyr, IE ...like the 9/11 planes crashing into the Twin Towers in New York City.

Thus it creates what I have heard called a religion of death. To die for their idea of God.

Hard thing to deal with. We are foolish to believe otherwise. The killer/shooter at Fort Bliss in Texas, a couple or three years ago, -— the same thing.

It was all in the name of Allah.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 8:51:56 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Max_850

The whole thing was intentional - Obama was told why announcing a leave date would be so dangerous. He did it anyway.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 9:45:57 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Family: One of God's masterpieces." sign at Chris McMurray's bakery - Crumb and Get It)
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To: wrencher

growing Afghan National Security Forces from 332,000 to more than 350,000.

THAT number will dwindle like grass in the desert. Even though we will try to rain dollars on it.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 10:07:27 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: jazusamo
In his letter dated Aug. 14, 2012, Amos notes that the recent assaults "were carefully crafted to drive a wedge between us and our Afghan partners." Importantly, he also warned his Marines: "More of these types of spectacular attacks can be expected..."
18 posted on 09/03/2012 7:47:26 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa
And if the Pentagon brass wants to know what needs to be done to mitigate the risk of these attacks, they ought to forget about a conference of generals and solicit ideas from the lieutenants and captains in the field who are living, fighting and dying beside loyal Afghan counterparts.------ Col. Oliver North
19 posted on 09/03/2012 7:54:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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The reason we are there is because the last time we abandoned it, a bunch of state-supported fellows moved from Sudan - which was getting a little too uncomfortable for them- to Kandahar and used that Afghan town as a base to manage an assortment of training camps and laboratories in preparation for a new kind of terrorism to go with the embassy bombings, ship bombings, and airline hijackings that were in the works.

And the guys standing in direct opposition to these terrorists and actually fighting and killing them -instead of trying to accumulate enough evidence to charge them with a crime and give them a civilian trial followed by ten to twenty years of free meals and health care courtesy the US or European taxpayer- weren't Americans, they were Afghan, and yes, they were and are muslim, though not burqa-pushing music-hating joy-sucking rock-chucking suicide-adoring muslims such as the Taliban that want to control everyone, instead they were the kind that wanted little more than to raise thair families, send their kids to school, operate businesses, tend their vinyards and orchards that the Taliban had destroyed. And their leader, the son of a policeman who was loyal to the King of Afghanistan Zahir Shah before the king was deposed by communists and socialists, was the first carefully chosen casualty of the 9/11 attack.

20 posted on 09/03/2012 8:19:36 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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