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Mitt Romney says Obama 'robbed' Medicare of $716 billion. True? (Some analysts say it's inaccurate)
CS Monitor ^ | 08/16/2012 | Peter Grier

Posted on 08/16/2012 7:01:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Mitt Romney is hammering President Obama with the allegation that he's robbed Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But analysts suggest that's not an accurate appraisal of Obama's plan.

The Mitt Romney campaign has a new talking point that it’s hitting hard: President Obama “robbed” Medicare of $716 billion to help pay for his health-care reform legislation. Is this assertion accurate?

Well, it is true that the Affordable Care Act – known to some as Obamacare – would reduce spending on Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis. It is also true that this reduction is used to offset spending on other ACA provisions.

However, the ACA does not literally lop this figure off Medicare’s bottom line. Most of these reductions would occur due to the fact that the law makes changes meant to lower future costs for the big health-care program for seniors.

For instance, the ACA cuts many of the payments Medicare makes in its fee-for-service system to hospitals, nurses, and other health-care providers. (Doctors would not be affected by this payment squeeze.) According to CBO, over the 10-year period it measured, Medicare payments for hospital services would go down by $260 billion, for instance. Payments for skilled nursing services would go down by $39 billion and for home health services by $33 billion.

The other big category of ACA Medicare reductions is aimed at Medicare Advantage, a sub-section of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage began as a pilot program under President George W. Bush, who pushed it as a means to save money by pitting private insurers against each other in a competition to cover Medicare beneficiaries.

This approach has not worked out as intended. Currently Medicare Advantage plans cost the government more on a per-person basis

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: medicare; obamacare; romney

1 posted on 08/16/2012 7:01:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually the Supremes decision cut the use of Medicare funds for Obamacare.


2 posted on 08/16/2012 7:04:46 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind
known to some as Obamacare – would reduce spending on Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis

Where are the inaccuracies?
3 posted on 08/16/2012 7:05:55 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Back in 2009, here’s what Obama said to Jake Tapper:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-pledged-his-medicare-cuts-are-here-stay


4 posted on 08/16/2012 7:12:03 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: SeekAndFind

The US has the best medical care in the world and they are going to screw it up.


5 posted on 08/16/2012 7:18:18 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny to see lib media teach everyone about baseline budgeting.


6 posted on 08/16/2012 7:20:04 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Huskrrrr

I think you mean the Supreme Court allowed the states to opt
out of the Medicaid expansion.

Medicare gets a $716 Billion haircut to “pay” for the first 1.5 trillion
10 year period of Obamacare.

SUpreme Court said nothing about Medicare.

Medicaid is a joint state-Feds program. Under Obamacare, the feds
pick up the 100% tab at first. But then there is no committment down the
line. ALso the states are stuck with cost of implementing exchanges
if they decide to do so.


7 posted on 08/16/2012 7:23:36 PM PDT by preamble
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To: Perdogg
There aren't any discrepancies...They state that they get savings from lowering the pay to hospitals, nurses and other practitioners, BUT NOT DOCTORS, which is a lie. The ACA (Obamacare) lowers doctor payments and then off that budget adds back the Doc. Fix to reinstate those payments. It then further eliminates Medicare Plus, which is the choice of 25% of all seniors. They say that Med + is More expensive than trad medicare, ANOTHER LIE, it is significantly less expensive for the government, but since the Insurance Companies make income on it, they count the income AS A LOSS TO MEDICARE. More lies.

It states that it is true, but also not really true, oh really?

8 posted on 08/16/2012 7:24:29 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind
For instance, the ACA cuts many of the payments Medicare makes in its fee-for-service system to hospitals, nurses, and other health-care providers

Do the dems actually think we'll buy into the notion the costs won't be passed onto patients?

9 posted on 08/16/2012 7:26:33 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Reduction of payments to hospitals will result in the closure of many hospitals. 4 million will be forced out of Medicare Advantage. And the so called Death Panel (IPAB) will decide on what treatments will be allowed and reimbursed. This is how they reduce Medicare costs.


10 posted on 08/16/2012 7:29:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

As I understand it:

The Obamacare amount impacts ALL seniors beginning next year.

The Romney plan does not impact current (those 55 older) seniors.

That is the big difference.

Romney leaves the Medicare Advantage as is. Obamacare cuts benefits from Medicare Advantage beginning next year.

Romney plan solidifies Medicare for those under 55.

Obamacare bankrupts Medicare in another decade or so.


11 posted on 08/16/2012 7:29:55 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: nhwingut
Funny to see lib media teach everyone about baseline budgeting.

Yes it's full of poetic justice in that respect.

But remember - with MC and SS, the number of recipients is ballooning and hence so will the cost - so notwithstanding baseline budgeting the budget for MC and SS would have to grow significantly.

So it IS being taken from those who paid into it and being given to 0bamacare. No bones about it.

Paid In

12 posted on 08/16/2012 7:31:19 PM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: SeekAndFind

“Currently Medicare Advantage plans cost the government more on a per-person basis”

Co pay under our Advantage plan have been going up drasticly in the last 2 years!

All due to cuts in Obamacare legislation!!!


13 posted on 08/16/2012 7:31:46 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ConjunctionJunction

http://budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=4177a52a-2420-46af-92ad-891fe0c683a9&SK=92A9C21D1393FB73D4E4CD6B360E3219


14 posted on 08/16/2012 7:33:17 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
BUT NOT DOCTORS,

The doctor provision was taken out of Obamacare and made a standalone. That way they were able to placate the doctors now, without upsetting them before the election.

Similarly, they managed to 'save' Medicare Advantage, as is, until after the election also. The cuts in it were supposed to have begun this year.
15 posted on 08/16/2012 7:34:59 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Perdogg
“There’s only one president that I know of in history that robbed Medicare, $716 billion to pay for a new risky program of his own that we call Obamacare.” Citing this sentence, the fact-checking site Politifact.com judges it “Mostly False.”

This is the same Politifact that labeled Texas congressional candidate Roger Williams with "Pants on Fire" for calling Obama a socialist.

Which suggests that Politifact is not a reliable source for determining fact.

16 posted on 08/16/2012 7:45:31 PM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Point is you have to throw a lot of manure on top of Romney’s criticism in order to make his claim that Obama cut Medicare look “false”. A lot of Obama’s claims about future savings to medicare will undoubtedly fail to materialize. ‘Course he’ll be long gone by then.


17 posted on 08/16/2012 7:48:16 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: SeekAndFind

[ Most of these reductions would occur due to the fact that the law makes changes meant to lower future costs for the big health-care program for seniors ]

By denying them healthcare.


18 posted on 08/16/2012 7:51:19 PM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, excellent. Let’s get real nuanced with this, shall we? Let us discuss the size of the envelopes the transfer payments will occur in. Why the hell do we have to fight bumper stickerism with this incessant wondering as to whether we are being fair or even, yes, accurate? What difference could it possibly make?

Make the accusation and shut up except for repeating it and throw the other side into the same type of defensive posture they work to throw our side into at every turn. It’s all anything expects from the other side. This $700 billion thing has been known about for 3 years now. I find it entirely goofball that suddenly, today, it is like some sort of time bomb, as if it took 3 years until maybe a week ago to read 0bamacare and with our badly creased bookmark, we finally hit on something. This was known about years ago. I am frankly glad it has emerged as an issue in present tense. I don’t need to know why.


19 posted on 08/16/2012 8:00:16 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I totally agree.

I never understood Obama and the Dems signing up for this pay for in
Obamacare. $716 Billion in cuts to Medicare.

1. It was either a cynical ploy which they would undo later (which jake tapper
asked the President in 2009) and he said no he would veto attempt.
Their problem was that Obama PLEDGED deficit neutral “not one dime”
and that was a STUPID NEOPHYTE thing to do. The Amateur.
OR

2. It was a step on the way to reduce Medicare reimbursement level
to get it down to Medicaid level. Right now Medicare reimburses about
80% and Medicaid about 55% of private insurance.

Once you throw 30 million more onto Medicaid. AND have Medicare
be equal in reimbursement rate (low)...

It’s easy to mix Medicaid and Medicare into one program.
We should just do it, those Progressives say.

Then we will have left about 25% of population in 10 years on private
insurance. Then less and less.

VOILA. A SINGLE PAYER PROGRAM.

I say it’s #2. BUT WHO WAS GOING TO DRAW ATTENTION TO 716 billion
stolen out of Medicare????

I think it’s immoral to start a new entitlement Obamacare
with money and from a program at least everyone paid something into
it.
It’s immoral to start a new entitlement when the first one is going
bankrupt.
It’s immoral to take money from Peter to pay Paul.

It’s immoral for the federal government to give any money, never mind
borrowed from Chinese money. to able bodied adults less than 65 years
old. What is the moral reason????


20 posted on 08/16/2012 8:20:20 PM PDT by preamble
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To: Tallguy

“A lot of Obama’s claims about future savings to medicare will undoubtedly fail to materialize.”

Yep. Kenyancare is a defined benefit program. We know how well that is working these days.

The whole obamacare program is flim flam designed to get the socialized medicine camel nose into the tent. Hopefully these medicare cuts make that obvious.


21 posted on 08/16/2012 8:29:07 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind
For instance, the ACA cuts many of the payments Medicare makes in its fee-for-service system to hospitals, nurses, and other health-care providers...yeah, and the latest disingenuous argument from the 'rats is that Obama's plan doesn't actually take any money from seniors, only from providers - of course, technically Medicare doesn't give any money to seniors anyway; seniors receive medical services and Medicare sends the money to the providers in payment - but when you're desperate for an argument, any halftruth will do.......
22 posted on 08/16/2012 8:58:33 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: TornadoAlley3

I would rather see Romney/Ryan turn the 2009 Obama/Tapper interview into a campaign ad. Use his own words against him. And play it over and over again until the election. ;-)


23 posted on 08/16/2012 9:12:34 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Yes. That would be the second ad to run.

RUN it OVER AND OVER.


24 posted on 08/16/2012 9:17:37 PM PDT by preamble
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh how they forget. When running for President back in 2004, John F’n Kerry said of the Republican House Budget Proposal, reducing the size of a planned increase in spending IS A CUT.

Of course, this is the same John F’n Kerry who married to gain his Wealth, estimated to be three times as large as Romney's. Anyone here recall Kerry releasing 12 years of Tax Returns or being attacked for not doing so?

25 posted on 08/16/2012 9:21:56 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: preamble

My point is more along the lines of:

It’s immoral to worry yourself/ourselves about details and nuances and even if we’re accurate, because if we do not force the Dems onto some kind of defensive stance, the freedom to examine and ponder nuance will cease to exist.

Yell at them, and make them feel weird. That’s what I’m sayin’.

Nobody can predict the future. The Ryan plan, the this plan, the that plan, are artifices that maybe will and maybe will not get through Congressional approval in a recognizable format. There is no way to predict what may have to be given away alongside the Ryan plan in order to get it approved. Hell, it may even be found Unconstitutional. Then what?

So to become attached to it as if it is written in stone is deluded, IMO. What’s useful is to browbeat the opposition. Outsloganize them. “You didn’t build that. You stole that.” That works for me.


26 posted on 08/16/2012 9:40:29 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: TomGuy
Obamacare bankrupts Medicare in another decade or so.

Then it's single payer. Victory for o.

27 posted on 08/16/2012 9:45:40 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Cracker Jack
Which suggests that Politifact is not a reliable source for determining fact

Ya think?

http://politifactbias.blogspot.com/

Disclaimer: I am not in any way affiliated with this web site. I just like it.

28 posted on 08/16/2012 9:48:12 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The words "Never Again" were welded, in English and Hebrew, onto the first warhead.)
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To: SeekAndFind; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; dools0007world; dforest; ..
RE :”Mitt Romney is hammering President Obama with the allegation that he's robbed Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But analysts suggest that's not an accurate appraisal of Obama’s plan.

Because Medicare is now largely paid for by trading in the Medicare IOUs for money borrowed by the Treasury that future taxpayers and retireee’s will pay for, Obama can spend the $700B on other stuff while cutting Medicare by the $700B (not even sure he did this because he added other spending to medicare too at least short term) and claim it extends Medicare because those IOUs are redeemed slower.

So if Obama adds $7T to the national debt (with the help of congress) but redeems those Medicare IOUs more slowly does that extend the life of Medicare??? In the imaginary ‘trust fund’ world of both parties (DC) he is telling the truth. In the REAL world which I try to live in they are screwing us leaving us NOTHING.

29 posted on 08/16/2012 11:08:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs; All
Hey FRiend, do us all a favor when posting excerpts from articles that refer to "president 0bama" and drop that title completely because the dirty Kenyan sonuvabitch is not worthy of, NOR eligible for that title, ok?

OR: at the very minimum, make the 'r' in 'president' upper case to emphasize the word 'pResident.

Some might say this is nit-picking however a clear and unmistakable contrast must be made between previous Presidents and the filthy lying goon who is currently stinking up the White House. I would like to see ALL FReepers make a conscious effort to NOT associate 0bama with the word 'president', it's the least we all can do to deny the father-of-a-thousand-Trayvons the dignity he has done nothing to deserve.
30 posted on 08/17/2012 3:08:14 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in America's panties, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: SeekAndFind
For instance, the ACA cuts many of the payments Medicare makes in its fee-for-service system to hospitals, nurses, and other health-care providers. (Doctors would not be affected by this payment squeeze.)

How can they cut the payments and not squeeze the doctors?

31 posted on 08/17/2012 4:02:43 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: SeekAndFind
Who cares if its true or not (though until proven to be false by a "reliable" source, we here know it to be factual) why not take a page from the dissembling, corrupt, lying, RATS?

Reminder of their mantra: "It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge." ...

All Mitt/Ryan need to do is keep hammering this over and over and over, especially to states with lots of Seniors like Florida.

About time the Pubes start using a little scare tactics of their own.

32 posted on 08/17/2012 4:19:21 AM PDT by neveralib
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Agree, but also show, as this letter proves, Obama has ignored the law, and ignored saving/fixing Medicare, in addition to cutting it.
33 posted on 08/17/2012 4:29:02 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Huskrrrr

lol..does that mean funds must come from tax? I do remember when they passed the bill to fund O care with the 700 billion from medicare. Of course none of the money is there to fund anything. DC has spent everything and we dont know where the money went. It was part of Obama’s promise not to tax for Ocare. Lies of course. The healthcare issue is just a way to get more cash to DC.


34 posted on 08/17/2012 4:51:30 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: SeekAndFind
Funny, how they can vet every Romney ad but turn a blind eye to the Obama/Biden BS. And the old argument of reduced increase called a 'cut', when it suits their fancy agenda.
35 posted on 08/17/2012 5:17:35 AM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: preamble

Yes, you are correct. Thanks.


36 posted on 08/17/2012 5:43:02 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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