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Pentagon Denies Reports of Russian Sub near U.S.
RIA Novosti ^ | 16 August 2012 | Staff

Posted on 08/17/2012 4:51:36 AM PDT by moonshot925

Pentagon denied on Thursday media reports that a Russian nuclear powered submarine cruised unnoticed for several weeks in the Gulf of Mexico near the shores of the United States.

“I don't know what that information was based on, but it was not correct,” Wendy Snyder, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon, said.

The Washington Free Beacon reported earlier that Russia’s Akula class nuclear powered submarine (Project 971) freely traveled in June and July in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico undetected by the U.S. Navy.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.ria.ru ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: akula; nuclear; project971; submarine
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The Akula boats are the quietest submarines the Russians have ever built.

They use a teardrop-shaped double hull construction. The living spaces, torpedo tubes, and most of the machinery are within the stronger inner hull. The ballast tanks and specially adapted gear are located between the inner and outer hulls. This gives it much greater reserve buoyancy.

Anechoic tiles are fitted on casings and fins to absorb the waves of active sonar.

At low speeds of 5-7 knots, the Akula is even quieter than the improved LA class.

1 posted on 08/17/2012 4:51:40 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Russkie “Bear” Bombers in the Alaska an Arctic areas and subs in the Gulf? I’ve also read (conspiracy InfoWars site) that Spetsnaz SF troops are already on US soil, coming over from Canada. I’m not in that “black helicopter crowd”, but it makes me wonder what 0bummer&TheRegimeFromHell’s up to, if anything or is it just coincidence or BS. DHS ammo stockpiles, riot gear etc etc etc. Nah... nothing to it.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 5:00:40 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: moonshot925
Now we know why Obama stopped us from drilling in the gulf.

: D

3 posted on 08/17/2012 5:04:02 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: moonshot925
Now we know why Obama stopped us from drilling in the gulf.

: D

4 posted on 08/17/2012 5:04:02 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: moonshot925
Now we know why Obama stopped us from drilling in the gulf.

: D

5 posted on 08/17/2012 5:04:02 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: moonshot925

I believe it now.

The Iron Chancellor was right.

“In statecraft, never believe anything until its been officially denied.”

-Otto von Bismarck


6 posted on 08/17/2012 5:12:55 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: carriage_hill

“I’ve also read (conspiracy InfoWars site) that Spetsnaz SF troops are already on US soil, coming over from Canada.”

In a recent conversation with a friend associated with the US Army, he stated the Spetsnaz is pretty much washed up and non existent. I’m hoping he’s right.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 5:23:36 AM PDT by redfreedom (Just a simpleton enjoying the freedoms a fly-over/red state has to offer.)
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To: carriage_hill

“I’ve also read (conspiracy InfoWars site) that Spetsnaz SF troops are already on US soil, coming over from Canada.”

In a recent conversation with a friend associated with the US Army, he stated the Spetsnaz is pretty much washed up and non existent. I’m hoping he’s right.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 5:23:51 AM PDT by redfreedom (Just a simpleton enjoying the freedoms a fly-over/red state has to offer.)
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To: moonshot925
You have to understand the way the submarine warfare game is played. Were they there? Maybe, sure, why not? We certainly have sent (and probably continue to send) subs to patrol right off their coastlines.

The real questions are, was the sub detected or not, and if it was detected, was it trailed or not? These are questions we will never know the answers to for sure, because they will never, ever be admitted in public.

One way of looking at it, you want your adversary to come over and patrol - as long as you detect them and can follow them. That allows us to establish their operational patterns, from which we can infer capabilities. Even better if they don't know they were detected and tracked. Otherwise, they may come over and do something screwy, giving you the wrong impression, or they'll change tactics, etc. The upshot is, you want to collect as much information as possible while giving nothing, nothing away in return.

9 posted on 08/17/2012 5:30:29 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: moonshot925

How does anyone know that the sub was not in the Gulf of Mexico?


10 posted on 08/17/2012 5:42:01 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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Under Obama, the Pentagon has lost all credibility. If they say “no” the truth is very probably “yes”.


11 posted on 08/17/2012 5:43:06 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: moonshot925

Lately, the Pentagon is as flexible as Barack and will bend over more so if it gets reelected.
If the “Generals” ever take their oath to the Constitution seriously....


12 posted on 08/17/2012 5:43:06 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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The Pentagon denies.......they tell us what Bam tells them to tell us....... Meanwhile what’s the latest on the reports that they have a scenario involving the T-Party IN the USA?


13 posted on 08/17/2012 5:44:15 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: CPOSharky
How does anyone know that the sub was not in the Gulf of Mexico?

That's the question they're counting on you to be too dumb to ask.

14 posted on 08/17/2012 5:48:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: moonshot925
I have to say, your comments are similar to what one might find on a cereal box. It's not that most of them are false, it's that they're so generic that they add little to this story.

Most modern subs built in the last 30 years utilize a "teardrop-shaped hull," and yes, most of the major machinery, and certainly the living spaces are within the inner hull. Anechoic tiles are routinely used on submarine surfaces to absorb active sonar.

Submarine construction, quieting programs and sensors are much more sophisticated than some of the features you mention. Dampening machinery and noise goes much further than simply using a double-hull coated in sound-absorbing tile. What about flow noise? What about sound associated with the propulsion system; e.g., the propeller?

Being quiet at 5-7 knots is great, but what happens to the sound profile if the submarine has to go at speed, such as when they're trying to evade a torpedo? Also, it would be interesting to know how you might be knowledgable about their level of sound. Also, despite their superiority throughout the Cold War, the LA class has been surpassed by the Seawolf and Virginia class submarines (though I'm sure the Obama administration is doing what they can to stop the program as much as they can.) These are subs that can run quiet at speeds in excess of 20 knots.

15 posted on 08/17/2012 5:52:22 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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I believe it because Obama’s responsibility would have been to sink the damn thing.

A responsibility Obama is singularly unequipped to execute.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 6:05:09 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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The Improved Akula SSN, which went to sea in 1990, soon revealed that the Soviets had surpassed the U.S. Navy in some areas of acoustic quieting--the Improved Akula was quieter than our newest attack submarines, the Improved LOS ANGELES class. Admiral J.M. Boorda, the Chief of Naval Operations, told the House:

This is the first time since we put NAUTILUS to sea that [the Russians] have had submarines at sea quieter than ours. As you know, quieting is everything in submarine warfare.

SOURCE

17 posted on 08/17/2012 6:16:37 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: G Larry
I believe it because Obama’s responsibility would have been to sink the damn thing.

Overwhelming majority of the Gulf of Mexico is international waters. They have a right to be there, same as the right the USN has to be in the Black Sea.

18 posted on 08/17/2012 6:19:49 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: onedoug
Under Obama, the Pentagon has lost all credibility. If they say “no” the truth is very probably “yes”.

The one thing I do know is that Bill Gertz is mostly an idiot and has very little credibilty; the problem is given his subject matter and the way he writes his articles, demonstrating he's an idiot that often doesn't understand what he's writing about requires reliance on classified information.

19 posted on 08/17/2012 6:22:10 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“In statecraft,never believe anything until its been officially denied.”

-Otto von Bismarck

Das goot!


20 posted on 08/17/2012 6:23:31 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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