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Voter Fraud in the Keystone State (Pennsylvania's new Voter ID law)
National Review ^ | 8-17-2012 | John Fund - Commentary

Posted on 08/17/2012 8:26:58 AM PDT by smoothsailing

August 17,2012

Voter Fraud in the Keystone State

John Fund

Opponents of voter-ID legislation are fighting such laws in over ten states, but much of their attention has recently focused on Pennsylvania. This week, a state judge refused to block a new law requiring ID at the polls and increasing security measures for absentee ballots from taking effect this November. The political stakes couldn’t be higher.

A new poll from Franklin & Marshall College shows that Barack Obama’s lead over Mitt Romney in the Keystone State has fallen to five points (47 percent to 42 percent). Obama led Romney by 48 percent to 36 percent in the last F&M poll in June. An incumbent president without majority support in a state at this point in the race is in danger of not being able to catch up. If Pennsylvania went Republican, it could decide the presidency — after all, the state hasn’t voted for the GOP at the presidential level since 1988, and it has 20 electoral votes.

In 2004, John Kerry edged out George W. Bush by only 150,000 votes out of 5.7 million cast. Kerry’s victory was built on an enormous margin in Philadelphia, where he won 81 percent of the vote, giving him an edge of 412,000 votes. Republicans have long suspected that voter fraud regularly occurs in Philadelphia. In the 1990s, a Philadelphia election that determined control of the state senate was thrown out by a federal judge because of massive fraud.

Last month, City Commissioner Al Schmidt, a Republican, issued a 27-page report on irregularities he found in a sample of Philadelphia precincts during this year’s primary. The report, which looked at only 1 percent of the city’s 1,687 districts, found cases of double voting, voter impersonation, and voting by non-citizens, as well as 23 people who were not registered to vote but nonetheless voted. Schmidt also found reports of people who were counted as voting in the wrong party’s primary.

“We did not set out to quantify the magnitude of voting irregularities that occurred, but rather to analyze them in detail,” his report stated. “Nevertheless, we identified hundreds of cases of voting irregularities [in select precincts] that warrant further investigation.”

Republicans are convinced that voter-ID laws coupled with absentee-ballot protections will cut down on fraud, and in areas like Philadelphia will lead to lower Democratic margins. The more honest among them acknowledge that the city has long been a fount of corruption, including when Republicans ran a machine that dominated it for 80 years until the 1950s. During that period, not a single Democrat was elected mayor, in part because of massive Republican-led voter fraud. All that changed after Democrats seized control of the levers of city power was that they perfected what former Democratic mayor Ed Rendell once admitted to me was “a yeasty system where the rule of law isn’t always followed.”

Opponents of voter-ID laws blasted Schmidt’s report, calling it “anecdotal” and a thinly veiled excuse to engage in voter suppression. They also reacted vigorously to Pennsylvania judge Robert Simpson’s ruling this week that the legislature was within its rights to pass a voter-ID law, though the ruling was unsurprising given that the Supreme Court, in a 6–3 vote, upheld the constitutionality of a similar Indiana law in 2008. NAACP official John Jordan nevertheless said his group was “appalled” at the judge’s ruling: “In the early 1960s it was Philadelphia, Mississippi [where votes were suppressed], and today it’s Philadelphia, Pa.” Garrett Epps of The Atlantic mourned that “powerful forces today would like to carry us back to the time when the government doled out ballots to those it approved of.” He also peddled the discredited estimate that 9 percent of the state’s population could be disenfranchised by photo-ID requirements.

As Judge Simpson noted, anyone who cannot obtain a photo ID is allowed to cast a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots will be counted if the voter can provide officials with a copy of acceptable ID within six days by mail, fax, or e-mail. If a voter is indigent and cannot afford the fee for a copy of his birth certificate, he simply needs to affirm this and his provisional ballot will be counted. “I am not convinced any qualified elector need be disfranchised” by the voter-ID law, Judge Simpson concluded. He also found no problem with the law’s provision that absentee voters must provide the last four digits of their Social Security number or driver’s license, a useful protection against fraud. 

The number of people without proper ID in Pennsylvania is also not nearly as large as voter-ID critics claim. State officials testified that it was under 1 percent. That’s in line with court findings in recent ID cases and an American University analysis of three states, which found that fewer than one-half of 1 percent of people lacked ID. Critics claim that the state of Pennsylvania found that 758,000 registered voters lacked a Department of Motor Vehicles ID, but those numbers do not tell the whole story. Over l67,000 were inactive voters who hadn’t seen a polling place in at least five years. Many others may have other forms of acceptable identification ranging from passports to military IDs to government-employee IDs to cards issued by nursing homes or assisted-living facilities.

The basic problem that opponents of photo-ID laws have is that the American people reject their view that these laws are a tool of voter suppression. The American people view these laws as common sense. In a time when everyone needs ID to buy Sudafed at a drug store, purchase beer, travel by plane or even train, cash a check, enter a federal building, or apply for welfare benefits or a marriage license, showing ID at the polls doesn’t strike the average person as burdensome.

In a new Washington Post poll, a majority in all but one of 37 demographic groups responded in the affirmative to the following question: “In your view, should voters in the United States be required to show official, government-issued photo identification — such as a driver’s license — when they cast ballots on election day, or shouldn’t they have to do this?” The sole exception among demographic groups was liberal Democrats, who gave the idea 48 percent support.

Among all adults, 74 percent supported photo ID, as did 76 percent of independents and even 60 percent of Democrats. Sixty-five percent of blacks and 64 percent of Hispanics backed requiring ID at the polls. Those who lack a high-school degree — the demographic whose members are probably the most likely not to be able to afford an ID –  registered 76 percent support.

The Post also asked those surveyed if they believed the supporters and opponents of voter-ID laws were acting out of genuine concern for fair elections, or that they were trying to gain some partisan advantage. Respondents were more likely to say that the opponents of these laws had political motivations than to say that proponents did.

Artur Davis, the former Democratic congressman from Alabama who nominated Barack Obama for president at the 2008 Democratic convention, agrees. “A big thing that drove me to leave the Democratic party and support photo ID was the realization that the real victims of voter fraud are minority and poor people who live in places where machines block reform efforts by stealing votes,” he told me. He wrote in an op-ed in the Montgomery Advertiser last year that “voting in the names of the dead, and the nonexistent, and the too-mentally impaired to function cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights — that’s suppression by any light. If you doubt it exists, I don’t; I’ve heard the peddlers of those ballots brag about it, I’ve been asked to provide the funds for it, and I am confident it has changed at least a few close local election results.”

This week, it was announced that Davis will be a featured speaker at the GOP convention in Tampa this month. Here’s hoping he exposes the falsehood that voter ID is designed to suppress votes. Fraudulent votes shouldn’t be counted, regardless of which party they benefit.

— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for NRO and a co-author of the newly released Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk (Encounter Books).


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012election; elections; voterid
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1 posted on 08/17/2012 8:27:01 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tribune7; martin_fierro

PA ping.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 8:28:42 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Pennsylvania confounds me.

This president has launched a war on the Coal industry. I know there are large liberal bastians in an otherwise sparcely populated mountainous state. But you would think their would be more outrage against an administration that has so negatively impacted the largest industry of a state.

Maybe I am confused about how important the coal industry is to Pennsylvania. Someone correct me if so.


3 posted on 08/17/2012 8:31:29 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: smoothsailing
Republicans have long suspected that voter fraud regularly occurs in Philadelphia.

Gee, why do you suppose the crackers would come up with such a crazy idea?


4 posted on 08/17/2012 8:33:35 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tenacious 1
Simple: Most of the coal industry in in the western two-thirds of our Commonwealth. Most of the libtard cesspools and fraud is in our eastern corners, especially Philadelphia and Scranton.

These metro areas are populated heavily with people who'd rather milk the government teat than allow others to mine coal.

5 posted on 08/17/2012 8:40:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tenacious 1
I'm no expert, but I think coal has so technologically improved itself, the massive manpower it once demanded is not as needed, thus, the power of the union no longer holds sway in the minds and hearts of the people.

Around here (SW PA), the gas industry has usurped King Coal, so the battleground is drilling and fracking.

There's not too much noise anymore about evil drilling and fracking, so what will be PA's demise is apathy.

If PA nurtures a "They're all crooks, why bother" attitude, Philadelphia and Allegheny county will once again defacto paint Pa democrat, when in fact, PA is a conservative state.

6 posted on 08/17/2012 8:40:19 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: smoothsailing

Every college kid in this state knows how to get a fake Pennsylvania ID from some website in China. So what’s the problem?


7 posted on 08/17/2012 8:40:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tenacious 1
See the county by county map:

McCain counties are blue, Obama counties are commie red. The only red counties in the west are dominated either by cities (Pittsburgh and Erie) or libtard university towns (Indiana and State College).
8 posted on 08/17/2012 8:45:09 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

9 posted on 08/17/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
That Obama leads Romney anywhere just staggers the imagination Hamburger. Yes HAMBURGER is well on its way to becoming a luxury food item. With record numbers of people on food stamps our tax dollars are paying for corn to prop up the ethanol industry(a non beneficial gas additive) while droughts are raising the price of corn as food.......... Obama is a joke. A Bad joke on the poor and the middle class. But yet he leads Romney.. People are sheep...........
10 posted on 08/17/2012 8:51:05 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Tenacious 1

One has to understand the voting demographics of Pennsylvania. Much of the state is rural. There are basically 2 urban areas, that around Pittsburgh and that around Philadelphia. The rest of the state has a significant population and is referred to as the ‘T’.

However Philadelphia is massively corrupt and run by shameless leftists who cheat in elections in ways that would have made Stalinists blush. If you look at Philly election statistics, they have something like 95% turnout in which over 80% votes Democrat. There is nowhere else in the country which has anything near 95% turnout. I think in some years turnout has actually exceeded the voting age population.

Thus you have Philly as a complete washout every election. That’s pure Democrat votes.

The ‘T’ composed of small towns and cities traditionally votes GOP.

Thus elections generally come down to the Pittsburgh area. While Pittsburgh is also a fairly corrupt Democrat machine city, it’s is nowhere near as bad as Philly, so in theory the area can tip GOP and throw the election that way. This is what happened in 88. However Pittsburgh is also very Union, so it’s not an easy thing to do.

Really the GOP has a tough row to hoe in PA since there is so much cheating. Perhaps this voter ID law will take away the ridiculous Philly advantage. We’ll see.


11 posted on 08/17/2012 8:54:04 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Vigilanteman; Tenacious 1
It was James Carville who famously said; " Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between."
12 posted on 08/17/2012 8:54:44 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tenacious 1

The coal industry is extremely important to Pennsylvania, but remeber, the Democrat party “base” of urban bums, deadbeats, and parasites far outnumbers those people still left in the dying coal towns. For Democrat voters, it’s more about the “free stuff” confisctaed for from Republicans and handed over in exchange for their votes that matters more than anything else. ANYTHING else. And now that the Democrats have killed the coal industry thereby leaving even MORE people addicted to government welfare, it’s “win-win” for the Democrats.

Hope this helps.


13 posted on 08/17/2012 8:56:02 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Vigilanteman

Actually Indiana County is blue on that map.
The red county is Cambria County, where virtually everyone earns their living off some type of federal pork brought to the area by the late John Murtha.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 9:01:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: smoothsailing
Snakehead was essentially correct, although Scranton is even more corrupt than Pittsburgh and Erie would be in the running if it wasn't so small relative to P&P.

Scranton, of course, is the hometown of Casey, Jr. Erie earned infamy as the site of the poor delivery driver with the collar bomb in that failed extortion plot.

15 posted on 08/17/2012 9:01:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: smoothsailing

I was watching Hanity last night and he was talking about the Voter ID law in PA with some liberal pundit. The liberal guy kept saying that you shouldn’t have to show an ID to exercise your constitutionally guaranteed right to vote! I was yelling at the TV that I have to show multiple IDs when I buy a gun and endure a background check.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 9:05:52 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: smoothsailing
The Post also asked those surveyed if they believed the supporters and opponents of voter-ID laws were acting out of genuine concern for fair elections, or that they were trying to gain some partisan advantage. Respondents were more likely to say that the opponents of these laws had political motivations than to say that proponents did.

Of course they do. The Left is afraid we'll make it harder to steal elections, and they're pitching a fit about it.

17 posted on 08/17/2012 9:06:37 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: smoothsailing
There is some good news in Pittsburgh, a few months ago Biden was in a parade in downtown Pittsburgh and was LOUDLY booed! They show the clip on the local nightly news. I bet that NBC station got it trouble for it.
18 posted on 08/17/2012 9:07:54 AM PDT by Plumres
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Thanks for the correction. Yes, Cambria County is home of Johnstown and is essentially a rural version of the Mon Valley: Idiots who think good-paying union jobs will eventually come back if they just keep pulling the “D” lever. But the margins are getting thinner each election.


19 posted on 08/17/2012 9:17:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BobinIL

I saw that too. It’s a desperate argument on the part of the liberals. Folks just don’t see having to show a picture ID as a burden. We do it for so many things that it’s almost second nature.


20 posted on 08/17/2012 9:22:59 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; fatima; South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; ...

PA Ping!

If you want on/off the PA Ping List, please freepmail me. Thanks!


21 posted on 08/17/2012 9:23:58 AM PDT by randita (Paul Ryan is "Mr. Smith goes to Washington.")
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To: drbuzzard

I would be interested to see where you found this 95% turnout figure. I think you mean some wards and not the city as a whole.I am trying to research Philly elections and I though it was more in the 60’s.

I believe that in some wards the ‘10 off year turnout was 20% or less than’08 which in itself raises questions about inflated counts. That needs to be compared to presidential v off year turnouts across all voting districts in the state but I don’t have time right now.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 9:24:31 AM PDT by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: smoothsailing

In Philly, ward leaders and miscellaneous thugs would have entire voting machines put on dollies and removed from polling places, either to suppress, augment or otherwise tamper with the actual votes. They also had wads of WAM (walking around money) for every election to bribe street corner vagrants to go and vote Democrat.


23 posted on 08/17/2012 9:25:57 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: bt-99

This was from back in 2000 during the Gore vs. Bush election. I did the research back then, and no longer have the data sorry. I may be off by some percent, but trust me the turnout was flat out ridiculous. IIRC it was for the city proper, not the whole metro area.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 9:28:44 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: BobinIL

You also have to show ID to use Medicare. That is every time you visit the MD or access Medicare paid for tests. They also make copies. We won’t even dare mention the casino perks that have you showing ID to get comps which I am sure the Philly Democrats complain about all the time.


25 posted on 08/17/2012 9:30:53 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Plumres

I saw it too!

The drunk yinzer woman at the end is so typical of the Obama union zombies in the ‘burg. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLV8cjIESz4


26 posted on 08/17/2012 9:31:57 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tenacious 1

Like Maryland, Pennsylvania is two states. You have the vast land granted to William Penn, full of gun- and Bible-clingers, coal miners and the like; then you have the extremely populous Pittsburgh and Philadelphia stapling down the two ends of the state. They are full of what cities are full of.

In Maryland, you have what Palin calls “real Americans”, and then you have the Baltimore-Washington corridor.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: randita

I should have pinged you, randita, I forgot you started a PA list. My apologies. :)


28 posted on 08/17/2012 9:35:43 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: drbuzzard
If you look at Philly election statistics, they have something like 95% turnout...

I'll top that, the last time I voted in Philly, Fairmount section, Bush vs Gore. 100 % turnout in my ward, 100 % for Gore. Not only is that so friggin unlikely under any condition, my neighbor had just died and myself, girlfriend and a few others did not vote for the Sore-Loserman ticket.

All Dems at the poll btw, and when I learned of the "great turnout" I called city hall, reps, etc., no one wanted to touch, I mean no one.

29 posted on 08/17/2012 9:38:10 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: NativeSon

Yep, that was the election in which I actually looked at the numbers closely. The 2000 Gore vs. Bush election had utterly preposterous numbers come out of Philly. I mean it could have been enough B.S. to offset the claims that Gore won the popular vote.

Ok, just looked it up. The margin of popular vote was around 540k, which might be a bit much. Though I will state that I doubt Philly is the only place the Democrats cheat.


30 posted on 08/17/2012 9:42:38 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: drbuzzard

Nothing would surprise me in Philly. I had many great times, Philly was a great city to grow up and live in but no more.


31 posted on 08/17/2012 9:54:56 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Tenacious 1
Pennsylvania confounds me. This president has launched a war on the Coal industry. I know there are large liberal bastians in an otherwise sparcely populated mountainous state. But you would think their would be more outrage against an administration that has so negatively impacted the largest industry of a state.

Maybe I am confused about how important the coal industry is to Pennsylvania.

Someone correct me if so.

The creator of the poll referred to in the article was on a local radio talk show yesterday. He flatly stated that the results were weighted 56% Democrat and 38% Republican. He says that this is based on the 2008 voter turnout, but he also stated that the 2010 voter turnout was a majority Republican. Odufus was not on the ballot in 2010, so the fraud squads were not mobilized. See the vast difference?!? I wonder what the raw numbers were??

He "says" that he is "impartial", but when he is interviewed, he is a lib, and supports lib causes.

32 posted on 08/17/2012 9:57:21 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Tenacious 1

Hmmmm ..??? Today I saw a video of Romney in Coal-country, and there was a big sign saying, “Coal Miners for Romney”.

Looks like Obama has caused the miners to rethink their vote.


33 posted on 08/17/2012 10:04:59 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Tenacious 1

NEPA is still voting for JFK and Dan Flood but lately illegals have been moving in to replace the aging and dying JFK voters. I went to parochial school in Hazleton, aside from pictures of a few Saints and the current Pope, pictures of JFK hung in every classroom right next to the original George W.


34 posted on 08/17/2012 10:07:54 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: NativeSon

“..Philly was a great city to grow up and live in but no more...”

Same here. Olney was a nice place for a while. WWII and Korea War vets coming home and raising kids, little factories and small businesses to work in, Sears on the Boulevard supplied work for teenagers...

It was a nice place, the only exception being Olney High School in the late 70s/80s - morons bussed in from the “oppressed” parts of the city, and racial troubles started, coupled with the drug dealers that followed them.

Ghetto now. Typical “Obamaville” and a perfect example of Dem control for generation after generation.


35 posted on 08/17/2012 10:09:59 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: smoothsailing

But... the actual amount of vote fraud is insignificant, isn’t it?


36 posted on 08/17/2012 10:11:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard (/sarc)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Maybe there is finally some hope for the area. JWF, here in Johnstown told the International Association of Machinists 194 to 38 to stick their union up their ass.


37 posted on 08/17/2012 10:11:59 AM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: NFHale

Dad was born - literally - in his house on Chandler St. in Fox Chase and graduated from Olney in the ‘40s. He was an avid hunter and hunted regularly in the fields and woods where Jeanes Hospital now stands. Back then, when people saw a 12-year-old walking down the street with a shotgun over his shoulder, they smiled and waved.


38 posted on 08/17/2012 10:16:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: drbuzzard

This can’t be true! I heard Ed Shcultz on MSNBC say last night there has never been any voter fraud in PA and I just know he wouldn’t lie! (Rolls eyes)


39 posted on 08/17/2012 10:23:56 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Lancey Howard

Fox Chase still is a nice section...beautiful out there.

My old man grew up in Fairmount, near the old Eastern PA State Penitentiary. Poplar street, one of 7. Big, raucous family, squabbling, fighting, loving, living...Depression-era kids with a Mom and Dad (he died young) who never had anything but love and hard work to offer them.

Dad came back from WWII married Mom, and they moved up to Olney in 1957 (don’t want to say where, TMI out here). Mom said it was a lovely little neighborhood when they moved there.

I finally got her out of there in 2006 (stubborn...it was a combination of the Irish and the Ukie in her), but she passed away shortly afterwards.

I can remember almost all of my neighbors - and they all knew me too.

It WAS a nice place to be a kid for a while. Miss the “neighborhood-ness” of it (for lack of a better word...)


40 posted on 08/17/2012 10:25:39 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

My Father and my older Brother attended St Henry’s. We lived at 9th and Courtland, moved from their in 1975 - it was getting bad by then.


41 posted on 08/17/2012 10:39:36 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: NativeSon; Lancey Howard

“...it was getting bad by then....”

You know the saddest thing about all this?

So many of us have been displaced from our hometown, our neighborhoods...and we look back fondly and nostalgically.

Neighborhoods just don’t “go bad”...”neighborhoods” themselves don’t do ANYTHING.

It’s the people that come in after you. People make the neighborhood. Or destroy it.

Of course, we’re “racist” if we say so...

Perhaps the saddest thing is realizing that the poet who said “You can’t go home again” was indeed, correct, for a lot of us.

And it makes me more than a bit angry too. My folks had pride in their home; it wasn’t much, a shoebox of a rowhome, but it was theirs, they worked for it, they maintained it, and they raised their kids - our people - there.

And now it’s trashed by people with zero respect for themselves, for their neighborhood, for anything. And it happens over and over again, systematically.

That’s what is angering to me.


42 posted on 08/17/2012 10:59:09 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Pennsylvania confounds me

Me too. A friend of mine grew up in coal country east of Pittsburgh and he says the entitlement mentality is the culprit. As the industries (railroads, oil, steel, coal) have drawn down the majority of the laid-off workers have gone onto the dole. Across large swaths of the state there are white families that are two, three or even four generations removed from the notion of working for a living. My friend has in-laws in this category. None of them have worked a permanent job in decades. They receive welfare, foodstamps and a housing stipend of some sort from the state. Thier kids went straight from college(!) to the unemployment line a decade ago when jobs were plentiful and there wasn't much of an excuse. They aren't typical donk voters, but they recoil from the idea of voting for someone who might derail the gubmint gravy train. My friend swears that folks like this are legion in rural PA. Based on past elections, he might be right.

43 posted on 08/17/2012 11:06:09 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: BobinIL
The liberal guy kept saying that you shouldn’t have to show an ID to exercise your constitutionally guaranteed right to vote!

Where in the Constitution are you guaranteed the right to vote without proving you are a citizen who has the right to vote?

The USSC couldn't find it anywhere.

44 posted on 08/17/2012 11:21:21 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: NFHale
It is sad. My parents took much pride in our home. I remember my Father doing so much work to make the house our home - a 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom row home. It was the first house my parents owned; they bought the place after my Father left the Army.

I remember the people that were the problem, they didn't live right in area at first, they would just cause problems in our area. Before we moved there were homes being abandoned when the old folks that lived there passed and no one wanted to move in. Beautiful Wissahickon schist houses, left to rot.

45 posted on 08/17/2012 12:01:20 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Tenacious 1

Pennsylvania confounds me.


It does me,too. and I was born here.

However,the gas/oil boom in N.Pa is changing things for the better up here.
At least I think so.
Its not just the gas/oil but all the other side business that benefit from the influx.
Most everyone in the oil bussiness our pro-family,obviously hard workers, and they have money to infuse into some of the pooreer areas.
All things that appeal to non-communist and or non-reliefers.


46 posted on 08/17/2012 12:12:42 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: Albion Wilde
By golly, shades of Chicago! I remember an old, old-time politician by the name of Paddy Bauer, he of the rummy eyes and flushed face, with a beer always hoisted in his hand saying, “Chicago ain't ready for reform.”

I pray that Philly and Chicago turn themselves around and make Paddy choke on his words, (actually it's too late for Paddy..he died some time ago.)

47 posted on 08/17/2012 12:53:56 PM PDT by itssme
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To: NativeSon

I hear you, friend.

Your story sounds much like my own.

Best we can do is build that atmosphere, as much as possible, in our own neighborhoods now.

Know your neighbor; help them when they need it. Watch over next door’s kids when they’re playing outside. Know which cars belong on your street, and which don’t. Got a sick or elderly widow/widower, help them out. Make sure they’re OK.

Take pride in living where you live, and your neighbor will too. Chances are, HE got moved out just the same as we did.

I miss it, but I’m glad I am where I am now. People who take care of their own little area of responsibility set an example for others.

Hang out a flag, Christmas lights, Halloween candy for the kids, know their names, and be “that guy” on the block who always has a helping hand to lend.

At the end of the day, THAT is what Mom and Dad taught us in those little Philly rowhomes, with their struggles and triumphs. I think it’s just part of being an American, and loving the idea of America.

It NEVER has to go away. Only goes away if we let it.


48 posted on 08/17/2012 1:19:56 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: drbuzzard
If you look at Philly election statistics, they have something like 95% turnout

95% means they ain't trying. If you look at the census statistics for some Philly precincts they get 105-115% turnout.

49 posted on 08/17/2012 1:42:46 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: smoothsailing
Ignore this ruling. Do it anyway.

The Kenyan, and elected "D's in general) have set precident for this form of law breaking. The voting districts should follow their examples.

The Kenyan must go.

50 posted on 08/17/2012 4:00:31 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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