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Posted on 08/17/2012 11:47:31 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
WASHINGTON -- A White House spokesman says President Barack Obama is disappointed by the two-year prison sentence imposed on a punk band in Russia for protesting president Vladimir Putin (POO'-tihn).
The sentence handed down to the provocative band Pussy Riot follows a trial seen around the world as an emblem of Russia's intolerance of dissent.
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Russia’s judiciary is thoroughly corrupt. Anyone Vlad wants imprisoned will be convicted.
How the HECK can he have time to comment on a punk rock bank in Russia and not once mention 7 US service members killed in a helicopter (allegedly) shot down in Afghanistan?
Just when I think it is impossible for me to despise this guy any more than I do, he digs deeper into the Abyss. This guy cares nothing about life. Nothing about America.
As if 0bama, if he could get away with it, wouldn’t crush all dissent.
Seems they’ve demonstrated “fine and community service” punishments won’t deter their pattern of behavior.
The girls didn’t realize the historical nature of that culture. Cross the line there, things get real ugly real quick.
Yeah, two years is way too much. They weren’t gonna stop though.
“I am disappointed. Now, that was distracting—which hole are we on?”
If Obama had a p____, it would look like...
Then I guess they will stop now and two years is, in fact, perfect.
As much as I may hate to give Pooty kudos for anything, this was the right call on the part of the courts and letting it stand was a good thing.
In any event, every society must determine for itself how it will protect what it deems sacred, within its own domain. Not being a "one-worlder," far be it from me to criticize Russia over this. Frankly, I give thanks to the same God to whom the Russians are now also free again to worship, that Russia & its former satelites are no longer part of the Marxist menace.
We let child killers and molesters walk free.
What the hell do we know about Justice!?!?!?!
We have become a nation of morally permissive wimps.
That's exactly what Pussy Riot did in Moscow. They interrupted chuch service, yelled Holly shit and called Patriarch Kiril a bitch. The church was chosen on purpose - it was destroyed by the communists in 1931 and built with the donations of ordinary people in 1992 when Russians lived in abject poverty.
Freedom of Speech?
They knew in advance such behavior is illegal in Russia, like anywhere else in civilized world. That's why they wore balaclavas to hide identity.
They knew that Russia will be under pressure not to enforce law. That's exactly how Department of Defense defines terrorism: the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.
Only racists who hate Russians as people and bigots who hate Christians can not see this.
This case isn’t about free speech. The politics in the songs is just being used as a cover for the fact that they’re abusing the property of others to make their (profitable) internet music videos.
Believing in the narrative of this bunch’s “impromptu” performances is like believing that The Monkees TV show was a documentary of actual events. Each of their preplanned video escapades is a way of adding spice and popularity to their videos.
If they arranged with the property owners to stage an “impromptu” performance for the sake of their videos like responsible members of civilized society, their fans would be calling them fakes and sell outs. Instead, they violate property of others, profit off it, then try to hide behind the politics in their lyrics.
Abusing property rights in the name of “free speech”...sound familiar?
These chicks are Bolsheviks who would have loved Lenin and Company back in 1917.
In America they would’ve got a medal, or at least had a street in Chicago named after them. Thank God for Russia.
If they’d raised a fuss in an abortion clinic, he would have supported their immediate execution.
What "that culture" and "crossing the line there" are you talking about? You do realize they're native Russian "girls", and annoying attention-whores at that? Two years sounds about right to teach them some manners and decorum.
The press does not seem to want to give too much information about these three women. But, according to various reports:
(1) This “band” has never released a song or an album.
(2) The three women donned hoods, entered a major Orthodox church, crossed themselves at the altar, and then, in front of other people, sang a profanity-laced song asking the Virgin Mary to become a feminist and help put Putin out of power. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot#Church_protest
(3) Another freeper on another thread found out they are part of a larger group of protesters that engage in “performance art” - including sexual performances - in public as a form of protest. I don’t want to link to the thread because the website was so disgusting. But Wikipedia talks about that, too. (Maybe the courts wanted to send a message to their “performance artist” friends?)
(4) They are left-wing protestors, and, ironically, they’ve been charged with Russia’s version of a “hate crime” against religion - hooliganism motivated by religious hatred.
(5) They were facing seven years in prison. Putin himself urged for leniency. The prosecutor asked for three years. They were sentenced to two.
Two years may seem a bit much, but I’m having difficulty having any sympathy for them.
P.S. (Any word from all the celebrities about the Christians persecuted for praying for real in, oh, say, Kazakhstan?)
I thought Obama and Medvedev were best buddies. Obama promised to be more flexible after he got reelected.
Maybe not the best way to put it. They aren't "left-wing" in the sense that Lenin or Stalin were, or in the way that old Communist Party members and veterans of the war are, or really even in the sense that Clinton or Obama are. I get that they aren't "right-wing" by any stretch of the imagination but wonder how useful the whole left-right thing is in this case.
"Pussy Riot Street."
Does have a ring to it, doesn't it?
Well, one of the women is reportedly an environmental activist, and another is supportive of “LGBT” issues, according to Wikipedia, anyway. So the term left-wing seems to fit.
And Putin himself? Left-wing or right-wing? Not so easy to say.
Ironical... The pussy who tries to incite riots chiming in on the plight of the members of Pussy Riot.
Their Closing Statements to the court are here (Link) -- actually well-worth the read.
Some perspectives on the spiitual-political signifiance of the Yurodstvo Tradition, here (Link)
Me? I would have sentenced them to 2 years, suspended, probation, and 80 hours of Community Service with Orthodox nuns.
Sure, dictator 0b0z0 expected at least a life sentence if not execution.
Very disappointing indeed.
The queen of the USA shows his faggoty folded lower lip!
To Pussy Galore, 0h0m0 is an ass lore.
Well, it’s a matter of opinion, I guess. But, in considering the history of Russia - Lenin, Stalin, the Soviet Union - the country has come a long way. The very fact that a group of people has been performing its, um, “art” in a public protest against Putin without being executed, sent to a Gulag, or made to disappear... is evidence that there is more freedom in Russia today. Putin seems more centrist than left-wing or right-wing. But, so far, this group of women seem to be left-wing protesters.
To be clear, I support their right to free speech. But, was what they did free speech, or was it just a public disturbance and maybe harrassment?
Pussy riot is a feminist wing of a neo-bolshevik group Vojna aka War. Their activity is centered against a church and law-enforcement.
Another their acts are Dick in the ass punk performance in a courtroom, mentopop performance which was about robbing a supermarket wearing a mix of police uniform and a priests dress, burnind down one and turning upside down another police vehicle, a series of sexual assaults on police women in subways etc.
In fact some of their comrades were on trial for these things before, that is there this Dick in the ass performance from.
You can see all these faces.
Mordovian hour performance on May, 1 2008 (throwing stray cats into McDonalds kitchen to feed animals with decadent food and make low-paid workforce celebrate Labor day as they claim it):
Attacks on police cadets:
Note the song in Yiddish in background. It is a Jewish bolshevik song from October revolution, which is roughly about !@#$ the police. AFAIK one of performers was finally shot in process.
A screw the feds prank on KGB agent:
Burning up a police truck:
Another police vehicle destroyed:
And that is their promo video:
I’m not including public orgies, sex with a frozen chicken in store etc.
They need to get jailed forever.
The image of Obama leading from behind on the Pussy Riot issue is too disturbing for my gentle constitution.
>>>>In the Russian context where you actually have real communists, not so much.
And Putin himself? Left-wing or right-wing? Not so easy to say.>>>>
Communism is dead in Russia and East Europe. Commies are rarely have more than 10% votes in Russia and their vote base is shrinking (65+ Cold Warriors and former apparatchiks).
Communist rallies in Russia are a joke. It is usually a tiny group of senior citizens with red banners laughed by passer-bys.
I haven't been following Russian politics lately, but a quick search shows that the Communist or post-Communist party is second in the Duma with 20% of the seats.
Party standings vary over time. Post-Communist parties are unpopular now in Eastern Europe, but some were governing not so long ago and may be again some day.
Whether that means communism or Marxism returns, I don't know. I'll take your word for it that it won't.
My point, though, was more that we shouldn't assume that "left-wing" always means feminist, environmentalist, pro-homosexual, multicultural.
In some countries there's still a left-wing that isn't any of those things. Not so long ago, it was true over hear as well.
This whole shtick sounds suspiciously like something an idiot community organizer would spend the CIA’s budget on...
Great post Russia has come a long way and this group spoke out against Putin without getting sent to a Gulag and this all happened in a Church just had to point that out.
If you followed their politics you could see last election was filled with disappointment about ruling party what is why communists got their extra votes.
Anyway, modern Russian communist party more looks like US democrats today considering their program. They are also pro-Religion.
As for right-left issue I’m in full agreement. This spectre is unique for every nation. In some countries US Rep policies could look leftist in other countries Dem politics could look radically right-wing.
Don’t read too much into Putin being ex-KGB, he isn’t about ideology, but about power....if the Czar was still in power, he would have served the Czar. He admired the Soviet Union’s power, but not its’ internal economic policies.
The funny part is - these women in their closing statements compared their trial to Stalin’s “troikas” and “purges”... Stalin would have show trials and execute his opponents. Lucky for these women, they’re not really living in a Stalinist regime.
The assault started out as a defense of dissidents' right to not participate in school or public prayer; but gradually morphed into a denial of the right of the Faithful to have school or public prayer.
Frankly, I commend Russia for not following the idiotic example of what our Leftists have accomplished--for the time being, at least.