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Obama 'disappointed' by Russia band verdict
Associated Press ^ | August. 17, 2012

Posted on 08/17/2012 11:47:31 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

WASHINGTON -- A White House spokesman says President Barack Obama is disappointed by the two-year prison sentence imposed on a punk band in Russia for protesting president Vladimir Putin (POO'-tihn).

The sentence handed down to the provocative band Pussy Riot follows a trial seen around the world as an emblem of Russia's intolerance of dissent.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; kenyanbornmuzzie; pussyriot; russia; swrdswllwngsdshw

1 posted on 08/17/2012 11:47:36 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Russia’s judiciary is thoroughly corrupt. Anyone Vlad wants imprisoned will be convicted.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 11:51:16 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It is sad, I think it was more than a little heavy handed. At worst they should have gotten a fine and maybe community service. I guess they should consider them selves lucky - in the past they would have simply disappeared.
3 posted on 08/17/2012 11:51:36 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How the HECK can he have time to comment on a punk rock bank in Russia and not once mention 7 US service members killed in a helicopter (allegedly) shot down in Afghanistan?

Just when I think it is impossible for me to despise this guy any more than I do, he digs deeper into the Abyss. This guy cares nothing about life. Nothing about America.


4 posted on 08/17/2012 11:52:59 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Now wouldn't it be ironic if the P*ssy Riot proves to be the undoing of Putin...

Just musing....

5 posted on 08/17/2012 11:53:17 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As if 0bama, if he could get away with it, wouldn’t crush all dissent.


6 posted on 08/17/2012 11:55:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: chaos_5

Seems they’ve demonstrated “fine and community service” punishments won’t deter their pattern of behavior.

The girls didn’t realize the historical nature of that culture. Cross the line there, things get real ugly real quick.

Yeah, two years is way too much. They weren’t gonna stop though.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 11:59:13 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“I am disappointed. Now, that was distracting—which hole are we on?”


8 posted on 08/17/2012 12:00:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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If Obama had a p____, it would look like...


9 posted on 08/17/2012 12:00:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ctdonath2
Yeah, two years is way too much. They weren’t gonna stop though.

Then I guess they will stop now and two years is, in fact, perfect.

As much as I may hate to give Pooty kudos for anything, this was the right call on the part of the courts and letting it stand was a good thing.

10 posted on 08/17/2012 12:03:17 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I only know a little about this. But the reports were that they acted in a disruptive & irreverent manner in a church. If so, the extent of the disruption is important, if one wants to comment on the severity of the sentence.

In any event, every society must determine for itself how it will protect what it deems sacred, within its own domain. Not being a "one-worlder," far be it from me to criticize Russia over this. Frankly, I give thanks to the same God to whom the Russians are now also free again to worship, that Russia & its former satelites are no longer part of the Marxist menace.

William Flax

11 posted on 08/17/2012 12:31:29 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We let child killers and molesters walk free.

What the hell do we know about Justice!?!?!?!

We have become a nation of morally permissive wimps.


12 posted on 08/17/2012 12:37:06 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Imagine for a moment that flash mob wearing balaclavas storms Archbasilica of St. John Lateran in Rome during service and from the altar yells Holly Shit and calls The Pope bitch.

That's exactly what Pussy Riot did in Moscow. They interrupted chuch service, yelled Holly shit and called Patriarch Kiril a bitch. The church was chosen on purpose - it was destroyed by the communists in 1931 and built with the donations of ordinary people in 1992 when Russians lived in abject poverty.

Freedom of Speech?

They knew in advance such behavior is illegal in Russia, like anywhere else in civilized world. That's why they wore balaclavas to hide identity.

They knew that Russia will be under pressure not to enforce law. That's exactly how Department of Defense defines terrorism: “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”

Only racists who hate Russians as people and bigots who hate Christians can not see this.

13 posted on 08/17/2012 12:40:34 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This case isn’t about free speech. The politics in the songs is just being used as a cover for the fact that they’re abusing the property of others to make their (profitable) internet music videos.

Believing in the narrative of this bunch’s “impromptu” performances is like believing that The Monkees TV show was a documentary of actual events. Each of their preplanned video escapades is a way of adding spice and popularity to their videos.

If they arranged with the property owners to stage an “impromptu” performance for the sake of their videos like responsible members of civilized society, their fans would be calling them fakes and sell outs. Instead, they violate property of others, profit off it, then try to hide behind the politics in their lyrics.

Abusing property rights in the name of “free speech”...sound familiar?


14 posted on 08/17/2012 12:45:54 PM PDT by saundby
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To: D-fendr

Pussy Galore

BS galore

15 posted on 08/17/2012 12:48:33 PM PDT by DTA
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To: saundby

These chicks are Bolsheviks who would have loved Lenin and Company back in 1917.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 12:48:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ohioan
Like your reply basically this group violated the Parishoners freedom of worship In the Eastern Orthodox Church only the Priest can approach the iconostas during a service as it is considered Holy. Imagine the out cry if this was done in a Mosque. Anyway what I wonder about is whether the people who had sex in St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York a couple years back what kind of sentences did they get?
17 posted on 08/17/2012 1:05:10 PM PDT by peter the great
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To: colorado tanker

In America they would’ve got a medal, or at least had a street in Chicago named after them. Thank God for Russia.


18 posted on 08/17/2012 1:05:10 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If they’d raised a fuss in an abortion clinic, he would have supported their immediate execution.


19 posted on 08/17/2012 1:06:27 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: ctdonath2
The girls didn’t realize the historical nature of that culture. Cross the line there, things get real ugly real quick.

What "that culture" and "crossing the line there" are you talking about? You do realize they're native Russian "girls", and annoying attention-whores at that? Two years sounds about right to teach them some manners and decorum.

20 posted on 08/17/2012 1:07:36 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: MrEdd; Free ThinkerNY

The press does not seem to want to give too much information about these three women. But, according to various reports:

(1) This “band” has never released a song or an album.

(2) The three women donned hoods, entered a major Orthodox church, crossed themselves at the altar, and then, in front of other people, sang a profanity-laced song asking the Virgin Mary to become a feminist and help put Putin out of power. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot#Church_protest

(3) Another freeper on another thread found out they are part of a larger group of protesters that engage in “performance art” - including sexual performances - in public as a form of protest. I don’t want to link to the thread because the website was so disgusting. But Wikipedia talks about that, too. (Maybe the courts wanted to send a message to their “performance artist” friends?)

(4) They are left-wing protestors, and, ironically, they’ve been charged with Russia’s version of a “hate crime” against religion - hooliganism motivated by religious hatred.

(5) They were facing seven years in prison. Putin himself urged for leniency. The prosecutor asked for three years. They were sentenced to two.

Two years may seem a bit much, but I’m having difficulty having any sympathy for them.

P.S. (Any word from all the celebrities about the Christians persecuted for praying for real in, oh, say, Kazakhstan?)


21 posted on 08/17/2012 1:18:24 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I thought Obama and Medvedev were best buddies. Obama promised to be more flexible after he got reelected.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 1:31:06 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
They are left-wing protestors ...

Maybe not the best way to put it. They aren't "left-wing" in the sense that Lenin or Stalin were, or in the way that old Communist Party members and veterans of the war are, or really even in the sense that Clinton or Obama are. I get that they aren't "right-wing" by any stretch of the imagination but wonder how useful the whole left-right thing is in this case.

23 posted on 08/17/2012 1:32:34 PM PDT by x
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To: Romulus
at least had a street in Chicago named after them

"Pussy Riot Street."

Does have a ring to it, doesn't it?

24 posted on 08/17/2012 1:43:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: x

Well, one of the women is reportedly an environmental activist, and another is supportive of “LGBT” issues, according to Wikipedia, anyway. So the term left-wing seems to fit.


25 posted on 08/17/2012 1:54:02 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
In the Russian context where you actually have real communists, not so much.

And Putin himself? Left-wing or right-wing? Not so easy to say.

26 posted on 08/17/2012 2:12:10 PM PDT by x
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ironical... The pussy who tries to incite riots chiming in on the plight of the members of Pussy Riot.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 2:37:29 PM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: x
I think you're making an interesting point there, x. They don't fit easily on a left-right spectrum. In one way, they're blasphenmous feminist punks; in another way, in the tradition of the yurodstvo, the "holy fool" actually revered by Russian Orthodoxy.

Their Closing Statements to the court are here (Link) -- actually well-worth the read.

Some perspectives on the spiitual-political signifiance of the Yurodstvo Tradition, here (Link)

Me? I would have sentenced them to 2 years, suspended, probation, and 80 hours of Community Service with Orthodox nuns.

28 posted on 08/17/2012 2:38:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
A White House spokesman says President Barack Obama is disappointed by the two-year prison sentence imposed on a punk band in Russia for protesting president Vladimir Putin

Sure, dictator 0b0z0 expected at least a life sentence if not execution.

Very disappointing indeed.

29 posted on 08/17/2012 2:46:54 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama 'disappointed' by Russia band verdict

He identified strongly with one half of the band's name.
30 posted on 08/17/2012 2:48:18 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: DTA

The queen of the USA shows his faggoty folded lower lip!

To Pussy Galore, 0h0m0 is an ass lore.


31 posted on 08/17/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: x

Well, it’s a matter of opinion, I guess. But, in considering the history of Russia - Lenin, Stalin, the Soviet Union - the country has come a long way. The very fact that a group of people has been performing its, um, “art” in a public protest against Putin without being executed, sent to a Gulag, or made to disappear... is evidence that there is more freedom in Russia today. Putin seems more centrist than left-wing or right-wing. But, so far, this group of women seem to be left-wing protesters.

To be clear, I support their right to free speech. But, was what they did free speech, or was it just a public disturbance and maybe harrassment?


32 posted on 08/17/2012 2:55:22 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Doh! I did it again - harassment.
33 posted on 08/17/2012 3:32:18 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Pussy riot is a feminist wing of a neo-bolshevik group “Vojna” aka “War”. Their activity is centered against a church and law-enforcement.

Another their acts are “Dick in the ass” punk performance in a courtroom, “mentopop” performance which was about robbing a supermarket wearing a mix of police uniform and a priest’s dress, burnind down one and turning upside down another police vehicle, a series of sexual assaults on police women in subways etc.

In fact some of their “comrades” were on trial for these things before, that is there this “Dick in the ass” performance from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUaJLNonytg
You can see all these faces.

“Mordovian hour” performance on May, 1 2008 (throwing stray cats into McDonald’s kitchen to feed animals with decadent food and make low-paid workforce celebrate Labor day as they claim it):
http://plucer.livejournal.com/199615.html

Attacks on police cadets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0A8Qf893cs
Note the song in Yiddish in background. It is a Jewish bolshevik song from October revolution, which is roughly about “!@#$ the police”. AFAIK one of performers was finally shot in process.

Mentopop:
http://plucer.livejournal.com/94884.html

A “screw the feds” prank on KGB agent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ory-oJlK3ho&feature=related

Burning up a police truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCm-s-vTebA

Another police vehicle destroyed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uBQBtnkmec

And that is their promo video:
http://rutube.ru/video/6a7f22163d2b7deb93982c7101508723/

I’m not including public orgies, sex with a frozen chicken in store etc.
They need to get jailed forever.


34 posted on 08/17/2012 7:22:17 PM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: cunning_fish

The image of Obama leading from behind on the Pussy Riot issue is too disturbing for my gentle constitution.

Hurry November!


35 posted on 08/18/2012 12:27:55 AM PDT by M_Man
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To: x

>>>>In the Russian context where you actually have real communists, not so much.

And Putin himself? Left-wing or right-wing? Not so easy to say.>>>>

Communism is dead in Russia and East Europe. Commies are rarely have more than 10% votes in Russia and their vote base is shrinking (65+ Cold Warriors and former apparatchiks).

Communist rallies in Russia are a joke. It is usually a tiny group of senior citizens with red banners laughed by passer-bys.


36 posted on 08/18/2012 1:00:04 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: cunning_fish
If Putin (ex-KGB) isn't following Soviet-style policies at home, that's all to the good.

I haven't been following Russian politics lately, but a quick search shows that the Communist or post-Communist party is second in the Duma with 20% of the seats.

Party standings vary over time. Post-Communist parties are unpopular now in Eastern Europe, but some were governing not so long ago and may be again some day.

Whether that means communism or Marxism returns, I don't know. I'll take your word for it that it won't.

My point, though, was more that we shouldn't assume that "left-wing" always means feminist, environmentalist, pro-homosexual, multicultural.

In some countries there's still a left-wing that isn't any of those things. Not so long ago, it was true over hear as well.

37 posted on 08/18/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by x
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This whole shtick sounds suspiciously like something an idiot community organizer would spend the CIA’s budget on...


38 posted on 08/18/2012 10:07:17 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Great post Russia has come a long way and this group spoke out against Putin without getting sent to a Gulag and this all happened in a Church just had to point that out.


39 posted on 08/18/2012 11:19:20 AM PDT by peter the great
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To: x

If you followed their politics you could see last election was filled with disappointment about ruling party what is why communists got their extra votes.
Anyway, modern Russian communist party more looks like US democrats today considering their program. They are also pro-Religion.
As for right-left issue I’m in full agreement. This spectre is unique for every nation. In some countries US Rep policies could look leftist in other countries Dem politics could look radically right-wing.


40 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:15 PM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: x

Don’t read too much into Putin being ex-KGB, he isn’t about ideology, but about power....if the Czar was still in power, he would have served the Czar. He admired the Soviet Union’s power, but not its’ internal economic policies.


41 posted on 08/18/2012 4:27:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: peter the great

The funny part is - these women in their closing statements compared their trial to Stalin’s “troikas” and “purges”... Stalin would have show trials and execute his opponents. Lucky for these women, they’re not really living in a Stalinist regime.


42 posted on 08/19/2012 9:10:14 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: peter the great
Obama represents the distorted perspective of the far Left. The attitude of treating the desecration of a Church service as some form of free speech is very analogous to what the ACLU has accomplished with the help of Activist Judges, over a multi-generational assault on Legal perspectives in America. What we have now is not at all what the brave men who won our Liberty ever intended.

See Leftist Word Games & Religious Freedom.

The assault started out as a defense of dissidents' right to not participate in school or public prayer; but gradually morphed into a denial of the right of the Faithful to have school or public prayer.

Frankly, I commend Russia for not following the idiotic example of what our Leftists have accomplished--for the time being, at least.

William Flax

43 posted on 08/20/2012 7:16:44 AM PDT by Ohioan
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