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Navy's oldest commissioned warship to sail again
AP via Tampa Bay Online ^ | Aug 17, 5:26 PM EDT | JAY LINDSAY

Posted on 08/17/2012 2:51:51 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa

BOSTON (AP) -- The U.S. Navy's oldest commissioned warship will sail under its own power for just the second time in more than a century to commemorate the battle that won it the nickname "Old Ironsides."

The USS Constitution, which was first launched in 1797, will be tugged from its berth in Boston Harbor on Sunday to the main deepwater pathway into the harbor. It will then set out to open seas for a 10-minute cruise.

The short trip marks the day two centuries ago when the Constitution bested the British frigate HMS Guerriere in a fierce battle during the War of 1812. It follows a three-year restoration project and is the first time the Constitution has been to sea on its own since its 200th birthday in 1997.

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OLD IRONSIDES

by: Oliver Wendell Holmes (1809-1894)

AY, tear her tattered ensign down!
Long has it waved on high,
And many an eye has danced to see
That banner in the sky;
Beneath it rung the battle shout,
And burst the cannon's roar;--
The meteor of the ocean air
Shall sweep the clouds no more!

Her deck, once red with heroes' blood,
Where knelt the vanquished foe,
When winds were hurrying o'er the flood
And waves were white below,
No more shall feel the victor's tread,
Or know the conquered knee;--
The harpies of the shore shall pluck
The eagle of the sea!

Oh, better that her shattered hulk
Should sink beneath the wave;
Her thunders shook the mighty deep,
And there should be her grave;
Nail to the mast her holy flag,
Set every threadbare sail,
And give her to the God of storms,--
The lightning of the gale!


1 posted on 08/17/2012 2:51:54 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa
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To: Kathy in Alaska; laurenmarlowe; BIGLOOK; alfa6; EsmeraldaA; SandRat; mylife; TMSuchman; PROCON; ...
Ping to the FR Canteen and Amy's Place!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

2 posted on 08/17/2012 2:54:12 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

....probably less harm can befall the old veteran in a 10 min cruise than a “10 hour cruise”....


3 posted on 08/17/2012 2:55:34 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring bigger guns to a gun fight...)
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To: ConorMacNessa

nice!


4 posted on 08/17/2012 3:02:09 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: All


"THE frigate Constitution, which had figured valiantly in the history of the United States navy, and had won the famous sea-fight with the English ship Guerriere in the War of 1812, was popularly called Old Ironsides, and had won a warm place in the hearts of the American people. On September 14, 1830, the Boston Daily Advertiser announced that the Secretary of the Navy had recommended that the Constitution be broken up, as no longer fit for service. As soon as he heard this Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote his poem Old Ironsides, which appeared two days later. It immediately became a battle-cry; was repeated all through the country; and caused such a wave of feeling for the time-scarred frigate that the plan of dismantling her was given up, and instead she was rebuilt, and given an honored place among the veterans of the country's navy."

http://www.poetry-archive.com/h/old_ironsides.html



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 08/17/2012 3:03:22 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Amazing they had florescent lights tin the 19th century.


6 posted on 08/17/2012 3:05:00 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Obama had already instituted Green Policies with his amazing foresight. No lightbulbs!


7 posted on 08/17/2012 3:10:30 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: ConorMacNessa

Who’s going along — the same guests who buzzed NYC for Hussein a few years ago?

We’re supposed to believe THIS story from Associated Press?!


8 posted on 08/17/2012 3:11:57 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ConorMacNessa

The Guerier really had little chance against the Constitution. The Connie was larger, faster, more heavily built and much more heavily armed. Sort of a heavy cruiser against a light cruiser situation.


9 posted on 08/17/2012 3:13:48 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: ConorMacNessa

Having seen them in person, Those are really cool guns! I loved seeing the English crest at the breech. Heh heh heh


10 posted on 08/17/2012 3:20:57 PM PDT by Professional Engineer
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To: ConorMacNessa

“During Sunday’s sail, the Constitution’s crew of about 65, accompanied by 150 sailors selected to be part of event, will unfurl four of its 36 sails, Neely said. The tugs will stand by as a precaution when the Constitution sails on its own. And the trip can’t happen unless the weather conditions are right.”

Hmm, this smells opportunistic for Big Gay.

Wonder if we’ll ever see the guest list.


11 posted on 08/17/2012 3:21:53 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ConorMacNessa

The Constitution was the inspiration in design and description for the Acheron in Master and Commander, Far Side of The World.


12 posted on 08/17/2012 3:22:21 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ConorMacNessa
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13 posted on 08/17/2012 3:22:21 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: ConorMacNessa

We didn’t build that.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 3:22:21 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

The painter really got the perspective of the HMS Gurriere wrong.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 3:25:05 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ConorMacNessa

The American heavy frigate was a thing to be feared by the British navy at the time. Fast, tough, and packed with firepower, they could stay out of the firing arc of the bigger ships while nicely handling the smaller British frigates. Cannon balls were even known to bounce right off the Constitution’s iron plated hull.


18 posted on 08/17/2012 3:29:16 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: ConorMacNessa

From the days when the Navy was wooden ships and iron men....


19 posted on 08/17/2012 3:30:22 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

I wish they could have saved the “Big E” (CV-6).


20 posted on 08/17/2012 3:39:53 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: treetopsandroofs; Admin Moderator
Why do you post such trash in this thread? This thread is posted to honor one of our greatest warships of all time, still in service after 215 years and a major force in winning the War of 1812 at sea.

I resent your posting this glorification of sodomites in my thread - it is reprehensible!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

21 posted on 08/17/2012 3:40:22 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: telstar12.5

Remember Gilligan’s island and “the 3 hour cruise” .......


22 posted on 08/17/2012 3:41:47 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Anrifederalist William Maclay, United States Senator from Pennsylvania, had this to say in his diary about building the Constitution and her sister ships:
“ It is not suspicion that the designs of the court are to have a fleet and army. The Indian war is forced forward to justify our having a standing army, and eleven unfortunate men, now in slavery in Algiers, is the pretext for fitting out a fleet to go to war with them. While fourteen of these captives were alive, the barbarians asked about thirty-five thousand dollars for them; but it is urged that we should expend half a million dollars rather than redeem these unhappy men. I vociferated against the measure, and, I suppose, offended my colleague.
This thing of a fleet has been working among our members all the session. I have heard it break out often.”

For a view of our first congress through the eyes of an antifederalist:http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(mj001T000)):


23 posted on 08/17/2012 3:42:44 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: jimtorr

Very true, but the Royal Navy had acquired such an aura on invincibility in the American public’s mind that even a small action like this between frigates was seen as a massive victory - there had been fearful images of British sloops-of-war pulling alongside the American super-frigates with relative impunity.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 3:46:09 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Anoreth

ping


25 posted on 08/17/2012 3:48:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's not poetic justice, but it's something awfully close to it.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The hull was not iron plated. It was copper sheathed at the waterline and white oak above. But that was tough American oak, and indeed the cannonballs were known to bounce off.


26 posted on 08/17/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: treetopsandroofs

I smell photo op too.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 3:58:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: ConorMacNessa

The flag in my retirement shadowbox was flown over the Constitution. Had choice of several locations, that was the one I wanted.


28 posted on 08/17/2012 4:01:04 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts once lead the American Revolution. Under Mitt Romney, it lead the demise.)
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To: ConorMacNessa; Admin Moderator

YOUR thread?!

I simply don’t trust anything Associated Press tells me, and I asked myself why such a big deal is being made by AP for a 10-minute cruse, and what else is going on that day for which this might be a cover story?

As far as “glorification of sodomy” goes, I have done nothing of the sort.

I have been on the Constitution.

I don’t need to defend myself and I won’t waste time attacking you for your rudeness to me.


29 posted on 08/17/2012 4:04:50 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ConorMacNessa; Kathy in Alaska; laurenmarlowe; BIGLOOK; alfa6; EsmeraldaA; SandRat; mylife; ...

Video I shot of Ironsides under partial sail a few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69kr5WpYjgA&feature=context-chv

Firing Salute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNVNTvlqww&list=UUrCgILYg_UgfOpZD25PModA&index=7&feature=plcp

With Liberty Ship SS John W Brown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT93DOfEBdQ&list=UUrCgILYg_UgfOpZD25PModA&index=6&feature=plcp


30 posted on 08/17/2012 4:09:18 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: mrsmith
Luckily, the standing Army and Fleet came to be. Without them, we would not be living in Freedom. But it seems that we keep going to sleep at the wheel - the U.S. Army in the later 1930's was a pale shell of what it had once been.

We are on the brink of another massive reduction in forces in a time when we are at great peril from several sources. To put it in Holmes's words, "The harpies of the shore shall pluck / The eagle of the sea!" The Army and our other services will fare no better under this Regime.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

31 posted on 08/17/2012 4:13:03 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
I love the old tall ships. Something majestic about them.

“Old Ironsides” is the old serving naval vessel in the U.S. and the the Lexington is second and it's not even close!

Once Enterprise is decommissioned, it will be number two, but being nuclear, I doubt it will ever be a national treasure as a museum like the Lexington.

The Constitution is a sight to behold and she may very well outlive the nation.

Thanks for the post.

32 posted on 08/17/2012 4:13:24 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: BenLurkin

“I smell photo op too.”

Please be careful,

The OWNER of this thread had one of my responses removed for suggesting that.


33 posted on 08/17/2012 4:18:02 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Carbonsteel
My pleasure, Carbonsteel. I have only visited Old Ironsides once - over fifty years ago when I was a mere boy.



(Jan. 14, 2008) The first major snowfall of the New Year blankets the USS Constitution.




Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

34 posted on 08/17/2012 4:20:14 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: BenLurkin

Hmm, maybe it’s because I sourced my references on the Gay photo op, which were construed by the OWNER of this thread to be “glorifying” it?

I just remembered there are a bunch of new moderators lately, too.

Scary, scary times when a Freeper responds like that to defend without question an Associated Press post.

When was the last time the Associated Press was on America’s side?


35 posted on 08/17/2012 4:33:44 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ConorMacNessa

10 minute cruise for a sailing ship like Constitution is next to nothing. She won’t be so much asail as adrift. They’ll cut her loose from the tugs wait 10 minutes and then reattach the lines. I remember the undertow trial sails before the 1997 event, where she started gaining in her tug. Let the old girl kick up her heels!


36 posted on 08/17/2012 4:33:54 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ConorMacNessa
Yes, the one thing a national government must do is provide for the defense. Maclay was very, very antifederalist and was overboard in this case. Found this report of the battle in the Constitution's surgeon's journal: "18 Aug 1812  0030 Spoke American privateer Decatur (Captain Nichols) which reported that she had been chased during the night by ship of war and had jettisoned overboard 12 of her 14 guns while escaping

 

19 Aug 1812  "Wednesday.‑‑  Cloudy and foggy.  Course S. & W.  Wind N. by E.  Lat. observed 41‑42 N. Long. by D. R. 55 W.  At 2  P.M. discovered a large sail to Leeward.  Made sail and stood down for her.  At 4 discovered her to be a large Frigate.  When we were within about 2 or 2 1/2 miles he hoisted English colours and fired a Gun.  We stood towards her with reefed topsails without shewing our colours.  She then commenced firing, and gave us several broad sides without much effect before we commenced firing.  She kept wearing several times with a view probably of trying to get the weather gauge of us, which we avoided by wearing also.  We hoisted our colours and fired the first gun about 15 minutes past 5 o'clock P.M., but did not come into close action until about 6 o'clock, and after 25 minutes from the time we were closely engaged she struck, having previously lost all three of her masts and Bowsprit.  Her hull was much injured.  Several of her guns were dismounted or otherwise rendered useless on the gun deck by our shot.  She had 15 men killed and 62 wounded, most of them very dangerously, immense mischief and destruction having been done by our grape & cannister shot.  We had Killed Wm S. Bush, 1st Lt. Marines; and Seamen, Jacob Sago, John Brown, Caleb Smith, James Ashford, Robert Brice, James Reed.  Wounded: Charles Morris, 1st Lieutenant, Dangerously; J. C. Aylwin, Master, slightly; Richd Dunn, Seaman, Dangerously; Danl Lewis, do.do.; Taylor, do. slightly; Mullen, Marine, d.; Geo. Reynolds, Seaman, do.  Besides 4 or 5 others so slightly as not to be disabled from coming to Quarters.

                            "During the engagement she came against our stern with her bows twice, and carried away her Jib boom and injured our Taffrail.  It was when in that situation that Lt. Morris and Lt. Bush were shot.  Mr. Morris first jumped on the Taffrail with an intention of boarding her and was instantly wounded in the parietes of the abdomen.  Mr. Bush jumpd into his place the instant he fell and immediately one musket shot entered his face and passd into his brain.  Little or no other injury was done us at that time, and her quarter deck and forecastle were completely swept.  Her Second Lieutenant was killd [sic] the Captain, 1st Lieutenant, Sailing master, and one of the Master's mates wounded.  She hoisted 3 or 4 flags at the commencement of the action, and struck immediately after she got clear of our stern.  Her foremast and mainmast and mizzenmast fell about the time she was in contact with us.  After she struck Capt. Js. Rd Dacres Esq came on board and informed us that it was His Brittanick Majesty's Ship La Guerriere.  We sent Lt. Reed on board and finding the ship in a situation that was considered dangerous to attempt getting in we were employd all night getting the men and crew [sic] from on board.  She mounted 49 Guns and had about from 260 to 300 men, having sent previously part of her crew in prizes.  Capt. Dacres is a pleasant, agreeable young man, 24 years of age.

                            "Our crew behaved very nobly.  They fought like heroes, and gave three cheers when the colours were hoisted.  They also cheered when each of her masts went over the side, and when her colours were struck.  Whilst she was on our stern one of her forward guns was run nearly into our Cabin window and fired, but did (fortunately) little or no execution.  A shot that entered our after port on the starboard side of the gun deck killed 2 men at the after Gun and wounded one.  From the firing of the first gun to the close of the action was one hour & ten minutes.  The Guerriere had 15 killd and 62 wounded."

 

20 Aug 1812  Calm ‑‑ day spent transferring prisoners and repairing rigging ‑‑ amputated Richard Dunn's leg ‑‑ about 3 P.M. fired the prize; she blew up  ‑ L:ieutenant Bush and a British seaman buried at sea in evening.

37 posted on 08/17/2012 4:46:06 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
“Cannon balls were even known to bounce right off the Constitution’s iron plated hull.”

Wrong. The hull was built of white oak. The wood was so strong that enemy shot was indeed observed to bounce off as if she were made of iron; hence the nickname “Ironsides”.

38 posted on 08/17/2012 4:47:14 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: mrsmith
Outstanding, mrsmith! Thanks very much for posting that account.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

39 posted on 08/17/2012 4:53:40 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
sail under its own power for just the second time in more than a century

That doesn't sound true. I lived in the Boston area back in the late '90s. I knew a Charlestown townie (and possible wiseguy) who often joked about how they (U.S. Navy) were taking the Constitution out on joy-rides on a regular basis.

He thought it was unconscionable they would risk such a priceless piece of our history, though impressed the old girl handled so well.

40 posted on 08/17/2012 4:56:08 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
To the amazement of Dacres and his crew, the 18-pound iron cannonballs launched by Guerriere bounced harmlessly off the American frigate’s 24-inch triple-layered hull, which was made of white oak and live oak sheathed in copper forged by Paul Revere. One British sailor supposedly yelled out, “Huzza! Her sides are made of iron!” Thus, Constitution was christened “Old Ironsides.”

From the History Channel:

http://www.history.com/news/how-uss-constitution-became-old-ironsides-200-years-ago



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

41 posted on 08/17/2012 5:04:44 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
I made a diorama of the Constitution defeating the Guerriere for show-and-tell in 5th grade.

Funny how memories come up.


42 posted on 08/17/2012 5:12:57 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Oratam

You wrote: “I knew a Charlestown Townie (and possible wiseguy) who often joked about how they (U.S. Navy) were taking the Constitution out on joy-rides on a regular basis.”

I am a Townie. The only taking of the Constitution out on a “regular basis” is the yearly “turn-around” so the ship, when berthed again, is in the opposite position so it will “weather” evenly throughout the year. The turn-around is normally done with the assistance of tugs and there is normally a lottery for folks to win a ride... that’s the only “joy-ride.”

The “wiseguy” didn’t know what he was talking about.


43 posted on 08/17/2012 5:16:40 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: MikeSteelBe

Oh me too.Damned shame really.


44 posted on 08/17/2012 5:17:02 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: ConorMacNessa; Pharmboy; mainepatsfan

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks ConorMacNessa.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


45 posted on 08/17/2012 5:25:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy

ping


46 posted on 08/17/2012 5:53:23 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tantaros: "Plainly put, Romney and Ryan can't push granny off the cliff. Obama beat them to it.")
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To: ComputerGuy

You Corpsman were good.

Thanks for your service.


47 posted on 08/17/2012 6:07:45 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Talisker

We all memorized the poem in 6th grade!


48 posted on 08/17/2012 6:20:44 PM PDT by Ray'sBeth
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To: ComputerGuy
Semper Fi, Brother!





Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

49 posted on 08/17/2012 6:36:05 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Wrong. The hull was built of white oak. The wood was so strong that enemy shot was indeed observed to bounce off as if she were made of iron; hence the nickname “Ironsides”.

Southern Live Oak, actually. Mostly from Georgia iirc. Much sturdier than White Oak, which was used for her planking, ceilings and other areas.

And it wasn't just the Live Oak: that contributed more to her longevity than survivability in battle. What really mattered when it came to shrugging off cannonballs when going up against other warships was her framing. The five "Humphries" frigates (not counting "sixth"; the poor, lamentable Chesapeake, which was built to a much different design by one of Humphrey's former students turned rival) had very narrow spacing between their frames. The result was what amounted to an armored wall of wood that was at least 2 1/2 feet thick.
50 posted on 08/17/2012 7:01:07 PM PDT by tanknetter
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