Skip to comments.Pussy Riot and Russia's surreal 'justice'
Posted on 08/17/2012 4:22:14 PM PDT by BurningOak
Moscow (CNN) -- There is no basic human right to barge into a church to make a political statement, jump around near the altar, and shout obscenities. But there is most certainly the right not to lose your liberty for doing so, even if the act is offensive.
But that is exactly what happened Friday. A court in Moscow sentenced the three members of the feminist punk band Pussy Riot to two years in prison.
In my two decades monitoring human rights in Russia I've never seen anything like the Pussy Riot case -- the media attention, the outpouring of public support, the celebrity statements for the detained and criminally charged punk band members.
The image of three young women facing down an inexorable system of unfair justice and an oppressive state has crystallized for many in the West what is wrong with human rights in Russia. To be sure, it is deeply troubling.
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Just wonder if these girls would get all this support if they pulled this stunt in a mosque instead of a Christian church.
Maybe they'll rethink their political POV here at home. Or not.
That would have been a moot point, because they would have been swiftly and brutally murdered before they had the chance to get themselves arrested...
Why is this any of our business? Let Russia Be Russia.
Probably not, they would just be murdered on the spot and that would be that. A fact that in no way justifies this travesty.
When a church enters the service of the KGB it stops being a church. If Christ was alive today he would probably be in jail too for criticizing this “church” and its boot licking leadership.
I don’t think that desecrating a national shrine is covered by the First Amendment.
You don’t have a natural right to do that.
Wrong. And they did lose their liberty for so doing,even if CNN is in a wad about it.
Too bad for them but they knew it would happen.
The rebirth of the Soviet Empire is very much our business. We lost over a hundred thousand American boys fighting proxy wars against the Soviets, with all the dangers we face today, last thing we want is the return of the USSR.
I am not sympathetic to Pussy Riot's cause and would love to see Madonna breaking rocks in SIberia for a few years.
Are they threatening anybody? I don’t see them moving back into Poland anytime soon.
The USSR is dead and it ain’t coming back. Putin is no Communist, might be more of a Fascist, but the last thing he wants is to bring back the Soviet Union.
This is Mother Russia - and they do enforce their laws unlike the muslim in charge here who is flooding the country with legal illegals while destroying our economy in his quest to "fundamentally change" America.
While Putin is a dangerous character to sure, he certainly is not being pushed around by the gay agenda.
Horsesh!t!!! Who made up this "right"? Sounds to me like the "right" to kill your baby or your grandmother or whoever . . . a leftist bunch of mess.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Freedom of religion is the first freedom. These three young women are just thugs denying freedom of religion to others.
Throw them in prison!
There is more to this story than what CNN is revealing here...
There is a group of protesters in Russia who have been engaging in performance art in public as a form of protest. That is, these women are protesters, more than they are a “band” of any kind. And at least one of them was involved with a protest group that did outrageous things like having sex in public as a form of protest. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voina
For this final protest, the three women donned hoods, entered an Orthodox church along with members of that church, crossed themselves at the altar, and then proceeded to sing a PROFANITY-laced song asking the Virgin Mary to become a feminist and help put Putin out of power, among other things. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot#Church_protest
They are Leftists, and ironically they’ve been charged with a hate crime - it’s been fun reading the reaction from celebrities defending them, saying what these women did was free speech not “hate speech.”
Yes, two years seems a bit much. But they were facing seven years in prison. Putin himself urged for leniency. The prosecutor asked for three years. In the end, they were sentenced to two.
So they’ve been convicted, but how do we judge whether or not they’re....guilty?
How about if they were named Peaceful Daffodils?
These leftist twits are martyrs for socialism at best and Communism at worst.
Their problem is Putin is wise to the machinations of the commies and KGB types, they trained him.
Pussy Riot should have pulled this stunt in the US, they would have gotten a full blown reception at the White House for their promotion of perversion, and Obama would have helped them sue the church they desecrated.
What, and let the opportunity to print & say PUSSY RIOT all over the airwaves go to waste?
But there is most certainly the right not to lose your liberty for doing so, even if the act is offensive.
Really? Are you saying that queers busting into a Catholic mass face no consequences for doing so? Or when that guy in Maine rolled a pig’s head into a mosque, that would be ok?
I understand that the church and state there may be intertwined. But that particular sentiment is not what we would want to see applied here....imho
They condemned the corrupt church leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church and its marriage to the Kremlin tyrant. If Christ was alive today he would be seating in jail with them.
The only thing that stops pussy riots from killing you is the law.
The self-generated high profile of these young women created a direct challenge to the regime whose hand they seemed determined to force (they had been arrested and “warned” before the church incident). I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they thought it would make a difference when Putin either looked away, or overreacted and showed himself to be a thin-skinned little fellow posing as a dictator — knowing they would pay a heavy price. (A two-year sentence starving in Russia’s TB-infested jails can be the death penalty.) They deserve respect for courage, and in Russia, sitting in prison for a cause traditionally wins sympathy (no benefits, but private sympathy). Putin was boss, is boss, will be boss. This required demonstration?
2 years for a protest? I think a 50 dollar fine would be enough. Again, their real offense was pointing out the uncomfortable fact that the church is currently in the service of the KGB. Freedom of speech is there so people can tell uncomfortable truths.
These chicks would have cheered when Stalin blew up the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour.
Pretty sure if they pulled the same stunt in the National Cathedral with an anti-Hussein Obama song complete with face masks they would have been taken down permanently by the apparatchiks here in the good ole USSA.
I agree, although I think a few months of cooling off would have been adequate.
I don’t think that there is a “natural right”, there OR here, to disturb the religious observances of others as long as those observances aren’t in themselves a public nuisance or an offense (i.e., animal sacrifice, etc.).
A $50 fine? A traffic ticket is more than that.
” the church is currently in the service of the KGB. “
Thanks for clearing all that up, BurningOak.
So they did a less violent, more polite version of what Christ did at the Jewish temple? Granted these girls are obviously leftists and sexual anarchists, but they did a righteous thing by pointing out corruption at a house of worship.
Yeah, they picked the wrong place to protest. But I don’t think they have a right to trespass and create a disturbance. But 30 days would do it, not 2 years.
Martyrs? Are you joking? These women are disgusting.
Putin is indeed a gangster as well
What does that add up to? Me not giving a s*** and hoping the USA stays completely out of it, as there is absolutely nothing to be gained from getting involved.
The current leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church is married to the exact same people that blew up cathedrals under Stalin.
Not sure where this writer gets his information; he must make it up. These three nasty women burst into Moscow's golden-domed Christ the Saviour Cathedral wearing bright ski masks, tights and short skirts to storm the alter during a service. They smirked and giggled when the verdict was read to them.
A poll of Russians released by the independent Levada research group showed that 94% agreed with the verdict and 51 percent found nothing good about them.
Facts overlooked by Madonna and the liberal press.
Oh, really? This is the same Russian Orthodox Church that struggled to survive under murderous atheistic Communism for more than six decades? They're going to ally with a guy you say is pushing Communism and new (Communist) Soviet Union?
Get real, and quit unjustly demonizing Christian clerics because you don't like Putin.
The Church deals with Putin because he's not anti God, anti Christian or anti Jew.
Putin is pro Russia, interestingly, so is the Russian Orthodox Church.
I don’t buy that for a second.
Was it free speech? Or disturbing the peace and possibly harassment?
To some, freedom of religion means the freedom of worshiping the government as God, and the freedom to imprison anyone who points this out.
Wondering what their own ideas on "free speech" are... Obviously, they don't believe in letting people worship in peace.
Free speech or disturbing the peace?
It was kind of like what Christ did with the money changers at the temple, a little bit of both I would say.
And because he's not pro-individual rights.
“Throw them in prison!”
Done. I don’t think there is going to be an OWS Moscow any time soon, and that is to the credit of the post-communist Russian Federation.
“But there is most certainly the right not to lose your liberty for doing so, even if the act is offensive.”
There’s no basis for this assumption.
Apparently there is no Christianity in post-communist Russia either. KGB controlled churches do not count.