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Ryan downplays his signature issue on campaign trail
Reuters ^ | Fri Aug 17, 2012 | Andy Sullivan and Sam Youngman

Posted on 08/17/2012 8:00:22 PM PDT by Sola Veritas

(Reuters) - In his first week as a Republican U.S. vice presidential candidate, Paul Ryan has quietly moved away from the Medicare reform plan that has defined his political career.

At campaign stops, Ryan has made little mention of the Medicare and budget savings that conservatives cheered when presidential candidate Mitt Romney announced his running mate. When Medicare comes up, it's more often than not in an attack on Democratic President Barack Obama.

"Do you think raiding Medicare to pay for Obamacare is an achievement? Why don't we just get rid of Obamacare all together?" Ryan said at a rally in Springfield, Virginia, on Friday.

Romney, meanwhile, has promised to spend $716 billion more than either Ryan or Obama would spend over the coming 10 years on the popular government health insurance program for the elderly.

Romney's promise - and Ryan's silence - could help their ticket pick up votes among the elderly who are suspicious of any changes to Medicare.

But the Republican candidates' stance would also make it more difficult to reduce trillion-dollar-plus budget deficits, said to Michael Tanner, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute.

"What Ryan and Romney are doing right now is political, not budgetary. They are clearly doing less than I think they should in terms of Medicare reform, and they're doing it for purely political reasons," said Tanner, who has been a fierce critic of Obama's health insurance law.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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A good man Ryan is already being corrupted by Romney. Compromise......and folks here on FR think Ryan can keep Romney in check.
1 posted on 08/17/2012 8:00:28 PM PDT by Sola Veritas
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To: Sola Veritas

Typical Reuters.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 8:03:45 PM PDT by PAR
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To: PAR

Another quote from the article:

So far, Ryan appears to be willing to set aside his charts and tables in order to serve the political interests of an election campaign that has steered clear of detail, said Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University.

“He’s being neutered to be an acceptable vice presidential candidate, and he’s obviously willing to have that operation performed,” said Jillson.


3 posted on 08/17/2012 8:05:23 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

Sounds like an echo of McCain Palin campaign.


4 posted on 08/17/2012 8:06:50 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: Sola Veritas
A good man Ryan is already being corrupted by Romney.

Ryan: "Do you think raiding Medicare to pay for Obamacare is an achievement? Why don't we just get rid of Obamacare all together?" Ryan said at a rally in Springfield, Virginia, on Friday.

So Romney has so corrupted Ryan that he's stumping for repealing Obamacare? Throw me in THAT briar patch.

5 posted on 08/17/2012 8:08:51 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Sola Veritas
I don't think Romney chose Ryan because he approves of his policies--I think it was a desperation move, and I doubt whether Ryan will be allowed to influence Romney much if he is elected.

Nevertheless, I certainly don't trust Reuters not to put up a misleading--or a lying--headline. Indeed, the headline seems to be contradicted by a quote not too far down in the article:

"Do you think raiding Medicare to pay for Obamacare is an achievement? Why don't we just get rid of Obamacare all together?" Ryan said at a rally in Springfield, Virginia, on Friday.

I still cannot support Romney. But I'd say that that quote pretty well destroys Reuter's claim.

6 posted on 08/17/2012 8:13:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sola Veritas

Lets see if I get this; Ryan was announced last Saturday, he’s been filling venues where ever he goes, he just appeared with his mother in Florida, but now he’s “downplaying” his signature issue? All in one week?

Dude, sorry if I’m not wetting myself in despair over a Reuters article authored by Andrew Sullivan! These guys wish this were the case. Please get a grip.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 8:13:51 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Nervous Tick

Great minds.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 8:14:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: doc1019

>> Sounds like an echo of McCain Palin campaign.

How so?


9 posted on 08/17/2012 8:14:41 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Artcore; Sola Veritas

>> a Reuters article authored by Andrew Sullivan

I missed that! Thanks for pointing it out.

Funny how all the best “talking points” of the RDS crowd come from the hardcore left... in this case, the faggot hardcore left.


10 posted on 08/17/2012 8:18:21 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Nervous Tick

VP candidate having to compromise his stance to match with the Presidential candidate. JMHO


11 posted on 08/17/2012 8:19:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: Nervous Tick; Jim Robinson

“So Romney has so corrupted Ryan that he’s stumping for repealing Obamacare? Throw me in THAT briar patch.”

Read the entire article, not a single line you like. IF the article is accurate (I’m NOT saying it is - I have no way to verify), then Ryan is compromizing on what he originally proposed before becoming Romney’s running mate.

Since so many here are justifying voting for Romney of the basis that Ryan will keep him in check. Then this article, IF at all true, should start putting cracks in that line of thinking.

Personally, as soon as the election is over. IF Romney wins, and Ryan doesn’t kow tow to Romney, then Ryan will be locked away in a dark closet and only brought out for show and tell.


12 posted on 08/17/2012 8:19:47 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Nervous Tick

Yep, whenever I see Sullivan’s name mentioned with a left-leaning rag as the a source for a story, my B.S. meter goes off.

BTW, is Ryan going to be speaking at an event tomorrow with his mom?


13 posted on 08/17/2012 8:23:20 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: doc1019; Jim Robinson; Kevmo

“VP candidate having to compromise his stance to match with the Presidential candidate. JMHO”

Indeed, that is normmaly correct. However, we have FReepers justifying voting for the phoney conservative Romney under the concept that Ryan will keep Romney in check. Doesn’t look like that to me.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 8:24:08 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

My tag line says it all.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 8:26:54 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: Sola Veritas

Vote for Obama, already.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 8:27:34 PM PDT by DallasBiff (Where’s the link?)
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To: Sola Veritas

That is a stupid analysis of the article. They are already winning the Medicare argument, the dems are on the defensive .


17 posted on 08/17/2012 8:33:07 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: doc1019

tag line will read in January 2013, “ I cast my non-vote for the President.”


18 posted on 08/17/2012 8:34:30 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: Sola Veritas

Oh please. People are believing an article written by the MSM? Paul Ryan has been talking about Medicare everyday. Mitt says his plan is nearly identical to Ryan’s too.

This article is typical MSM BS.


19 posted on 08/17/2012 8:38:12 PM PDT by Laura722
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To: pollywog

I can’t, in all good conscience, vote for Romney. I sure as hell won’t vote for Obamass, therefore I will not vote this time around.


20 posted on 08/17/2012 8:39:21 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: Sola Veritas; Jim Robinson
Read the entire article, not a single line you like.

Ew. Do I HAVE to read shit by Andrew Sullivan? I'd rather not, if it's all the same to you. I don't think articles by Andrew Sullivan used in SUPPORT of a position fit Free Republic's guidelines, which "oppose all forms of ... homosexualism..."

I'm actually surprised that an article by Andrew Sullivan is used by a FReeper as "talking points", rather than fodder for derision.

I still find it passing strange that the best sources for freepers afflicted with Romney/Ryan Derangement Syndrome seem to be Andrew Sullivan, DU, HuffingtonPost, Salon, and other left-wing personalities and sites. Precious, *costly* bandwidth and -- much more importantly -- a hard-won premier BRAND, wasted promoting the very communism, socialism, homosexuality, and liberalism the brand was forged to fight. Still scratching my head over that one.

Oh by the way -- I am including JimRob on this post ONLY because YOU added him to your reply to me. My guess is, JR is weary with this whole issue. Running FR is a labor of love, and I have nothing but respect for what Jim has built from conviction and the sweat of his brow.

Nevertheless, facts are facts, and reality is reality, and there's a time to be silent, and a time to, well, NOT be silent.

See my tagline.

FRegards

21 posted on 08/17/2012 8:40:08 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Nervous Tick

Great tagline.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 8:42:39 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: PAR

Good to see ROOTERS is starting in on their amazing, on the nose, unbiased news coverage of the campaign trail.

Poke me when the tell the correct time of day.


23 posted on 08/17/2012 8:45:47 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Sola Veritas

Ryan is now marginalized by hitching himself to that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Romney.

It’s only going to get worse.

This supposed conservative savior, it going to come out of this experience compromised beyond belief.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 8:56:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Perdogg; fr_freak

Thanks. It’s an Ayn Rand quote. FReeper fr_freak deserves the credit for making me aware of it.


25 posted on 08/17/2012 8:58:44 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Sola Veritas; doc1019

Doesn’t look like that to me.
***Ryan isn’t going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. He can’t even keep Romney in check on the first week. He’s window dressing.


26 posted on 08/17/2012 9:06:30 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Sola Veritas

Does anyone still give outlets like this an ounce of respect ?


27 posted on 08/17/2012 9:09:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MEG33
"Time For R and R"


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28 posted on 08/17/2012 9:13:38 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: Sola Veritas

This is where sweeping more Tea Party Conservatives into the House and Senate is critical.

Romney has heretofore always seemed to blow with the wind.

We need to keep the wind blowing in the right direction for as long as possible.

That’s all we humans can do.


29 posted on 08/17/2012 9:16:52 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Laura722

right you are Laura...and there are a few here that love the MSM BS...
so I read a few posts and move on..but believe this article...no way


30 posted on 08/17/2012 9:25:16 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: Sola Veritas

Well Willard has his big fat butt on Ryan...

That didnt take long...


31 posted on 08/17/2012 9:26:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Artcore

The co-author of this Reuters article is Andy Sullivan, not Andrew Sullivan.


32 posted on 08/17/2012 9:37:48 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: Sola Veritas

The REAL problem is that the ‘rats have pulled a switcheroo on us and we apparently are falling for it. Ryan is the VP candidate. Whatever his plan was or wasn’t is history. What the people are going to be examining and voting for or against is ROMNEY’S PLAN! But he hasn’t clearly presented IT yet. He probably WON’T until after the convention. So there isn’t much Ryan CAN say for a few weeks. Sure, the ‘rats and their lapdog media will still keep harping on Ryan’s former plan. But that is ancient history. Rehashing that plan makes as much sense as debating the wisdom of Pickett’s Charge.


33 posted on 08/17/2012 9:40:12 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Sola Veritas

So long as you want to believe what you read from Reuters. What Ryan has actually said is a whole other story.


34 posted on 08/17/2012 9:42:11 PM PDT by EDINVA
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Ryan downplays his signature issue on campaign trail

Translation of liberal media headline : "That Damn Ryan Insists On Focusing On Economy, We Must Therefore Attempt To Distract Readers From Obama's Economic Achilles Heel By Drawing Conversation to Medicaid"

Tha fact is, Ryan's signature issue isn't Medicaid. If anything it is life. For the purposes of defeating Obama the most effective issue is going to have to be the economy. The press desperately wants to shift the focus off the economy and these leftists see some hope of success if they can get it onto Medicaid where they can scare seniors.

35 posted on 08/17/2012 9:45:52 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Sola Veritas

Sorry, it’s al-Reuters. A ouija board has more credibility and is less demonic.


36 posted on 08/17/2012 10:03:08 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SoConPubbie
This supposed conservative savior, it going to come out of this experience compromised beyond belief.

It's an American tradition... recall how the founding fathers compromised on the slavery issue even when human liberty was the whole point. Imagine that- compromising on human liberty actually led to broader human liberty, albeit incrementally... or should the most principled ones have refused to make deals with the slaveholding ones even if it meant no one would gain liberty so long as everyone could not have it all at once? Where would this country be now if Franklin blew off Washington and Jefferson because they were not principled enough?

37 posted on 08/17/2012 10:05:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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I did not know until this article that Medicare reform is his signature reform. Isn’t it the budget and deficits in general? IS Reuters trying to drive a wedge between Ryan and his supporters? /half rhetorically


39 posted on 08/17/2012 10:21:20 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Tucker39; Kevmo; SoConPubbie

“What the people are going to be examining and voting for or against is ROMNEY’S PLAN! But he hasn’t clearly presented IT yet. He probably WON’T until after the convention.”

Honestly though, isn’t that really the problem. Ryan is being touted as the guy that is going to keep Romney’s liberal tendencies in check. IF Ryan has to subordinate himself to a plan of Romney....that doesn’t even exist....where is the “keeping in check?”

My concern is that Ryan is be coopted by Romney and the GOPe...as is going to loose credibility.

I am not aware of the political leanings of Reuters - except they are not U.S. but U.K. in ownership. However, I am sure that criticisms of them may be warranted. Also, that there is a definite move to pull the message off the economy. However, I am a balanced conservative and the economy is only one of three legs of conservatism to me. So, I don’t mind them pulling to other areas.

Whatever, although the source of news is weak and biased (as all news is today), I think the basic premise that Ryan is being morphed into something other than what got him where he was is taking place. This is not good IF Ryan is the force to balance out Romney.


40 posted on 08/17/2012 10:47:51 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Al-Reuters is mad because Obama lost the exchange over Mediscare, and they want Ryan to keep talking about it so they can paint him as being obsessed with it. Transparent.


41 posted on 08/17/2012 10:48:03 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Cicero; doc1019; Sola Veritas; Nervous Tick; Perdogg; All
I don't think Romney chose Ryan because he approves of his policies — I think it was a desperation move, and I doubt whether Ryan will be allowed to influence Romney much if he is elected.

Romney has already said that he will run on his own budget (and Medicare) plans, whatever they are - not on Ryan's blueprint:

Romney says campaign will run on his budget plan, not Paul Ryan's - TheHill, by Bernie Becker, 2012 August 13

Of course, given the fiscal inadequacy and PR disaster of Ryan's Medicare plan in the last budget / debt ceiling battles that was exploited by the Dems at the time, and Ryan's subsequent acknowledgement of the fact and "modification" of the plan, it may not be such a terrible idea for Romney and Ryan to focus on ObamaCare and be less specific about their own "plans" - that is, if they can get away with it.

Republicans concerned Ryan as VP could cost party House and Senate seats - TheHill, by Cameron Joseph and Alexandra Jaffe, 2012 August 13

I don't think Romney chose Ryan because he approves of his policies — I think it was a desperation move...

Of course, he needed Palin/Cheney/Kemp/Quayle to pacify / energize the base, that was the plan all along - that's the same losing play GOP has been playing for decades now.

*** = Excitement Factor (to vote FOR)

Presidential Candidate VP Candidate

Republicans

Gerald Ford Bob Dole
Ronald Reagan *** George H. W. Bush
George H. W. Bush Dan Quayle (***)
Bob Dole Jack Kemp ***
George W. Bush ^^ Dick Cheney ***
John McCain Sarah Palin ***
Mitt Romney Paul Ryan ***

Democrats

JImmy Carter Walter Mondale
Walter Mondale Geraldine Ferraro ***
Michael Dukakis Lloyd Bentsen
Bill Clinton *** Al Gore
Al Gore ^^ Joe Lieberman
John Kerry ^^ John Edwards (***)
Barack Obama **** Joe Biden

^^ = Near Win / Loss

Notice the pattern of which column (side of the ticket) the Excitement Factor should be in, to win?

42 posted on 08/17/2012 10:49:39 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Sola Veritas

You find the reporting of Reuters and the musings of a liberal poly-sci professor to be conclusive, or even worth .... anything? Interesting. I’m sure that if Ryan were talking non-stop about Medicare, Reuters and Professor Jillson would be praising him! Yeah, of course they would, because they are unbiased observers and reporters!!! Yes, this is sarcasm.


43 posted on 08/17/2012 11:01:49 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Sola Veritas.
"Do you think raiding Medicare to pay for Obamacare is an achievement? Why don't we just get rid of Obamacare all together?" Ryan said at a rally...

44 posted on 08/17/2012 11:02:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sola Veritas
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution


45 posted on 08/17/2012 11:08:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Sola Veritas
My concern is that Ryan is be coopted by Romney and the GOPe...

No need to worry... Ryan is a VP candidate, he will do what the Presidential candidate (the "top" of the ticket) will tell him to do. As such, he has been "co-opted" as soon as he accepted the position... Oh, and what do they say about the Vice Presidency and "a bucket of spit"?

I am not aware of the political leanings of Reuters - except they are not U.S. but U.K. in ownership.

Actually, they used to be. As part of the publishing media conglomerate Thomson Reuters, it has been Canadian since its acquisition in 2008 by The Thomson Corporation (majority owned by the Woodbridge Company), but is headquartered in New York, at 3 Times Square.

Most of Reuters' writers political leanings are decidedly liberal, but they do stick to the facts... and then bend their opinions to "fit" those facts.

46 posted on 08/17/2012 11:08:32 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Sola Veritas

You’ve been a FReeper as long as I have, and you have not been aware of the leanings of Reuters. C’mon....you can’t do better than that! Please!


47 posted on 08/17/2012 11:58:28 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Sola Veritas

You’ve been a FReeper as long as I have, and you have not been aware of the leanings of Reuters. C’mon....you can’t do better than that! Please!


48 posted on 08/18/2012 12:04:15 AM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Sola Veritas

This is psyops. We’re running a national campaign and doing it to win. You do that by focusing on the issues that move voters not just to your side, but to the voting booth. They’ve found a theme that resonates - Obama is cutting $716 billion in Medicare.

How many elections have you witnessed, followed and participated in? This is how national presidential races are won. It is SOP for elections.

Stop handwringing and carrying water for Obama.


49 posted on 08/18/2012 2:18:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Artcore

Exactly. Ryan has been inviting that debate!

And the dems know this... thus the pivot to chains and race last week. They know they`re losing the argument about Medicare.


50 posted on 08/18/2012 3:16:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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