Skip to comments.IS CALIFORNIA THE NEW DETROIT?
Posted on 08/18/2012 7:57:38 AM PDT by Hojczyk
There is no mystery why Californias population and economy boomed after the Second World War. Education in California became the envy of the world. Californias public school system led the nation in innovation with brand new schools and classrooms. An efficient highway system moved Californias automobile driven commerce while fertile soil of the Central Valley became the fruit and vegetable basket of the world.
Californias business climate now ranks dead last according to 650 CEOs measured by Chief Executive Magazine. Apple will take 3,600 jobs to its new $280,000,000 facility in Austin Texas jobs that California would have had in the past. Texas ranked first in the same survey.
Californias public education system, once the envy of the world, now ranks 46th in the nation in per pupil spending and faces a $1.4 billion cut in the fall. In the last month, three California cities declared bankruptcy. More will follow.
, Californians should take a look at Michigan. In the 50s greater Detroit was the fourth-largest city in America with 2 million inhabitants and the worlds most dominant industry: the automobile.
Now Detroits Mayor has proposed razing 40 square miles of the 138 square miles of this once great American city returning 70,000 abandoned homes to farmland. Even such a draconian plan may not be enough to save the city.
Like Detroit, California now has one party rule. The Democrats of California did not need a single Republican vote to pass their budget. Governor Browns plan is to address the nations largest deficit by raising taxes instead of cutting spending. If passed, the deficit would drop from $20 billion to a mere $16 billion. The budget does nothing to cure the systemic problems of a bloated bureaucracy. It does not eliminate one of Californias 519 state agencies.
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Kalifornia is getting exactly what they deserve. I do feel sorry for hard working people who are being driven out of the state.
Apple is opening a new facility in Reno- reportedly a $1 BILLION operation. Have also heard they are doing something new in Oregon.
When there is ONLY ONE car company left in California & that is TESLA, tht is a big canary in the coal mine, IMO.
If TESLA ever took off as a viable product (it won't), how long would it take for executives to decide to move production outside the state?
California is a big place. The Central Valley has had unbeliievably bad times, ever since the water supply to the farmers was limited, in order to save a fish. On the other hand, on the affluent coast there is still a fair amount of spending going on, although there are people out of work, too.
Not Detroit, just yet.
Spending is not a measure of excellence and California public schools have been a scam since at least the 60s.
Our daughters still live in coastal California but I don’t want them in Texas until I know they’ve stopped voting liberal. I always tell them how HOT and HUMID it is here.
If anyone thinks California can turn things around quickly, consider that Detroit has been declining for about 40 years under single party rule. And still, to this day, the citizens will not vote them out. Will the politicians choose to fix things if things keep going down hill? Why? They are in power, and not feeling the effects of their own bad decisions. This is how third world countries operate, with a vast poor citizenry, and a political class which earns far more than the citizens, and is disconnected from the citizens.
San Diego to Napa is vibrant and there is no reason to think that will change.
However, I can see certain neighborhoods in Fresno, Redding, Stockton and Sacramento being depopulated and returned to orchards.
Conservatives need to stop turning their backs on states like California and Michigan. The tea party threw big money and effort into Wisconsin only to turn and walk away rather than taking the fight to the next logical state in Michigan. The unions even dropped their recall effort against rick Snyder the day after their loss in Wisconsin.
Unfortunately it didn’t take long for them to realize that no conservative reinforcements were coming to Michigan and we now have something like 6 new pro union ballot initiatives on the ballot that will effectively hand our constitution over to them.
While conservatives fight the convenient battles, our enemies fight every battle.
The problem with states like California is that, when citizens leave, they take their voting habits with them and destroy other states. Liberals are like locusts - they destroy everything in their path and won’t be stopped until there is nothing left to destroy. Obama wants to run this country in the same way that the African war lords operate their piece of soil. Destroy those who produce and build an army that will stop dissidence in its path. We are truly at a cross roads - let us hope that November brings change.
Detroit is a city.
California is a state.
What a ridiculous attempt at comparisons.
The rest of us Texans thank you.
The 40 year decline of Detroit should serve as an stark example to the voters of CA.
The 2009-10 years of Pelosi-Reid-Obama, where the Dems had a lock on both houses of Congress, thus able to pass legislation without needing any republican votes, showed that they were on the road to “Detroitize” this entire country. Fortunately the T.E.A. folks stood up and some of the ‘unwashed’ masses realized where the triumverate was leading us.
Now, we need to do our own sweep and repeal all of the dem’s legislation and squash the regulatory agencies that are running amuck
Comment: California is in the process of returning to Mexico.
Like an addict or an alcoholic, they first have to admit that they have a problem before they are willing to confront it. Unfortunately it appears that they will have to hit rock bottom before they as a majority are willing to confront their fundamental issues.
And they will continue to do so until until the GOP decides to conduct a brutally honest campaign. The soft lies of the left are much more attractive than the truth, To use a word favored by the Left, the GOP will need to INVEST in their effort. In the short term it will not seem to pay dividends. If it a good campaign, in the long term it will pay dividends. I see a constant 'no-effort' effort by the GOP in California and the West Coast generally. Bring in the big guns time and time again, tell the truth time and again, Use every marketing method and outlet. Could it be that those East Coast Country Club GOP types cannot bring themselves to go to the uncouth West full of ALL those foregners.
I think comparing a city to a state makes for a great . They were/are being ruined by the same forces. California is just a larger land mass.....other than that everything else is pretty much the same.
If one wants to see the future of ca no reason to look to detroit. Look to mexico
How is that ridculous? One party rule exists in both cases, with the outcomes similar until a majority of the people are willing to make the hard choices.
In the case of Detroit, the producers fled and moved to other communities/counties and left the city with a declining “revenue base”. Similarly, in California the producers can move to other states, and more apparently are.
More like Liberals/Democrats are Cockroaches than locusts.
I really have to wonder what would be enough for people like you.
In 2010 we ran the table and democrats didn’t win a single race above the county level. We control the governor’s mansion, both houses of the legislature, Attorney general’s office, Secretary of state and 8 of our 14 US representatives are republican. We have voter ID laws in place and even have to affirm citizenship to vote. We’ve got freer gun laws than Texas but we’re still not doing enough.
A little moral support is all we ask and instead we get insults.
Add to the flight:
Rice University hired UCSD physicists José Onuchic and Herbert Levine, and chemist Peter Wolynes, all three of whom are members of the National Academy of Sciences, the country’s most elite honorific society for scientists.
UCSD cut back their departments and budgets claiming lack of funding, yet UCSD was able to “expand” their diversity farce of a department and hire an administrator at a six figure salary.
The scientists now work at Rice’s Bioscience Research Collaborative (BRC). They received a signifcant pay raise comparedto what they were making at UCSD and Texas has no state income tax.
More proof that Cal is “poof” slowly dieing a politically correct death. As one of the departing scientist statyed: “...”The major reason is that Rice has made a remarkably generous offer to my colleagues and me, both in personal terms but mainly as it concerns collective research support.
“For our biophysics center, they have offered prime space (to be built to our specs), ongoing administrative support, and facilitated access to foundations such as CPRIT (Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas), all of which will enable us to greatly broaden the scope of our efforts and begin to study medical applicants of physical science theory.
“The current budget at UC makes it clear that this type of support is just not going to be possible here. The fact that private university funds have recovered from their 2008 lows long before state budgets are even close to balanced, has led to a “support gap” all across the country (not just California). So, I don’t think that budget cuts specifically “drove us out”, they are indeed a factor in our overall assessment that we will be able to do significantly more at Rice than at UCSD, over the next 5-10 years.”
A professional way of saying Rice invests in research UCSD isn’t.
California is a state, not a city.
Conservatism, by its nature, can only appeal through logic and reason. Liberalism appeals to emotions and its "tenets" can be reduced to bumper stickers and repeated over and over by the mob. "Make the rich pay". "No justice, no peace". You get the idea. They don't have to make any sense, just appeal to the lowest denominator.
Seemingly, you cannot reduce conservative values to bumper stickers. "Balance the budget" has no emotive qualities. The masses don't know what it means and don't care. The liberals immediately turn that one on its head, they say conservatives want to "Balance the budget on the backs of the poor", and the argument is lost.
How do you reason with the voters of a city like Detroit? More than half of them can't read a bus schedule, let alone a political platform. They are, for the most part, simply parasites. Want to create a mob in Detroit? Announce that you are giving out applications for subsidized housing or food.
I fear the battle is lost in certain areas. Look at the electoral college map. The republicans start out with California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York and D.C. firmly in the enemy camp. A recent poll in New York showed more people would vote for a moslem or a homosexual for president than a mormon or an evangelical.
On the bright side, I think the Tigers are worth a dime tonight against the O's.
Mexifornia...peasants “progressing” toward the glorious economic and social mentalities and realities of Mexico, the UN, Sodom and China.
It’s lost for now. Let it travel it’s full collective course into the gutter. When the rest of the country recovers from Obama’s Marxist/fascist policies and culture (if that happens), the peasants might begin to wonder why they are still in Utopia’s gutter.
When they hit bottom I bet they’ll blame “racist capitalism” and call for deeper socialist poverty and oppression as the solution.
“Kalifornia is getting exactly what they deserve.”
Not really, it was Federal immigration policy that created this situation. The Natives are being outvoted by the new comers.
It’s the plan for the rest of the country, including your home state and city.
By the time this is over the USA will be offering to pay Mexico to take California and its 20 million illegals.
As the saying goes, you can’t reason someone out of a position they weren’t reasoned into in the first place
Unfortunately many Conservatives are still under the delusion that if we can just get someone to articulate our positions well, Hispanics and even Blacks will see the error of their ways and vote for Republicans/Conservatives.
It’s never going to happen.
I left that state in the late 70s.
It's a naturally beautiful place, with a lot of potential.
Corruption was all pervasive, and accepted as natural and normal by an overwhelming majority of the citizens of that state.The problems were not just in Detroit and Lansing.
If you say that is changing, I'm happy for you.
I will say Michigan stands a better chance of reconstructing itself than does California.
Here's a tale of woe ~ Michigan has absolutely horrid winters. California has a Mediterranean climate. Which one will fill up with welfare recipients first.
Michigan isn’t Detroit.
Doesn’t appear to me that conservatives are all that bright when all they care about is American idle politics and belonging to the pack.
I’m about 10 seconds away from voting democrat simply because I’m sick of self righteous assholes who toss me overboard for a perceived gain somewhere else. Why shouldn’t I, I get nothing but insults anyway.
Currently we are involved in helping out one of those high earners escape to Virginia. Frankly, we can use the taxes ~ even with a state budget surplus.
I think she's going to enjoy wearing her pistol on the streets too!
Totally agree and it infuriates me to see how the Republican Party "writes off" huge parts of the country with many here on Free Republic supporting that strategy.
Wisconsin is a good example of how a state can quickly be turned around and yet up until recently, many conservatives were apparently content to yield it to the Democrat machine.
As a lifetime resident of Massachusetts, I see firsthand the results of a state that was given up on by the Republican party. The sad thing is, we are not as liberal here as the rest of the country thinks. While Democrats pretty much control all aspects of government, statewide, the Republicans are usually good for 40% or more of the vote. All we need is another 10% to turn this around. But few resources come here from the Republican Party and most of the candidates we run get very little support from the GOP. We are basically written off and this allows the Democrats to keep their machine in place.
Mitt Romney and Scott Brown are two Republicans who managed to win statewide here and the national GOP gave them very little support, forcing them to adapt themselves to the Democrat majority to survive. What the GOP should have done was pour some resources into the state to elect state legislators at the local levels to not only build some support for a Republican governor but to build a farm team of up and coming Republicans. Only by increasing our numbers can Massachusetts Republicans govern more conservatively.
Lot of attacks on Mitt Romney for the way he governed Massachusetts but I don't think too many people realize that the state legislature was 90% Democrat. Had Ronald Reagan come into the White House in 1981 with the Democrats in 90% control of the House and Senate, how much of his agenda do you think would have been passed?
I was always disappointed with Romney when he was a politician here because he seemed to be such a RINO. I must say that his presidential campaign has impressed me so far. Especially when he selected Paul Ryan to be his running mate. That floored me. I thought for sure we'd get a milquetoast like Portman or Pawlenty. This is not the Romney I saw in Massachusetts!
Now some cynics would say that Romney is pandering to the conservatives in order to get elected but I think it could be the opposite. Perhaps we are seeing the real Romney now, unchained from having to run for office in Massachusetts that is 90% controlled by Democrats.
Here in Massachusetts, conservatism at the grass roots level seem to be on the upswing. There are some great Republican candidates running for office this year such as Jon Golnick and Sean Bielat. If we get a little support from the national party, we could pick up a few House seat this year here in Massachusetts.
Up in New Hampshire, the tide has definitely turned. A lot of Republicans were elected in 2010 and I would not be surprised to see Obama lose by double digits up there this November.
So when I see other Free Republic posters talk about making New England secede from the union, it kind of pisses me off. There is a huge potential up here to turn the tide. A lot of people here are still brainwashed with the "Democrats are for the working people" BS but with a lot of young people, those empty slogans are losing their lustre. Nowadays the Democrats are for the work-shy who live on EBT cards, welfare and SSI as well as the illegal aliens. Many working class Democrats are getting fed up and are becoming ripe for conversion to conservatism.
Dang it! Where is that picture of the bear in the woods when I need it?
When the state of California drives out all the businesses and taxpayers, what are all these corrupt politicians going to do? How about turning on their rich enablers who have voted these fools into office? California cannot print money and it won’t be getting any from the feds, so what are the Donkeys going to do when all their spending on the unions and the illegals and the programs hits the brick wall? There’s no money, honey. You Donkey morons are so screwed when the mob comes for YOUR money and property. I could almost, not quite, feel a pang of sorrow. OK, feeling sorrow is over. Time to meet the mobs.
I feel your frustration. However, being as close to the situation as I am, I despair that it will change. After decades of the likes of Coleman Young and Kwame, that city is done. Bankruptcy is the best course.
The ruling elites of Detroit are either terminally stupid or terminally corrupt. The city would not accept a $200,000,000 gift to establish a new charter school system. They are fighting a lifeline that Snyder is trying to throw their way. They are protesting a new bridge that Canada is going to finance. They continue to vote for the very people who literally are putting them in chains. They are suicidal. I say, let them go. Expel Wayne County from the state and you will be much better off.
IMO it should read "Do our people need anymore signs?" To "H" with the politicians. It's the people that vote in the politicians.
Yes I know all about the illegals, and the sheer idiocy of the liberals throughout California, but again it's the lies of the Left, and the media bias that wins the day in California just as it has been for the Nation.
IMO Jerry Brown won his third term as Governor because thirty years went by, and new Californian's thought this guy had the experience needed to govern that Whitman didn't. He lied about having changed, and how he sees things differently today, and like good little Sheep the liberals, and those that benefit from the Democrat schemes voted him in.
California will have to go bankrupt, and the people of California suffer the consequences before they will demand the changes necessary to clambor out of the hole the economics impaired Democrats have dug.
Michigan has 83 counties and of those less than 10 consistently vote Democrat. The rest of us vote GOP year after year after year only to be brushed off amid comments about Detroit as if that few square miles were the entire state.
California, your state, upstate NY, and others are all in this same boat and the GOP is creating democrats faster than the democrat party themselves are.
I’m fortunate to have a friendly informal relationship with my conservative congressman and I get a little inside info. He was a state senator for 14 years and said that for every private citizen that showed up at his office, there were 10 union members organized to show up, Union members only make up a small percentage of people in the state but they account for the vast majority of the steady pressure applied to our state legislators.
While he himself may have had what it took to stand against the unions most of the time, most simply can’t withstand the constant pressure when they have no reason to believe that there’s no opposition backing them against the unions.
We made some of the biggest gains in the nation in 2010 and made huge gains against union power but we’re starting to slip because our legislators have figured out that the GOP, Teaparty, and conservatives simply aren’t going to be there and they’re left twisting in the wind at the mercy of the left.
$9,015 Spending per student
20.8 Student/teacher ratio
$187,512.00 to teach a classroom full of kids for 9 months.
No, I don't think money is the problem.
Are you speaking for Michigan or California. And if Michigan, are you living w/in Detroit city limits?
40 years of Democrat Controlled Legislature...
20 years of current set of Democrat U. S. Senators...
How’s that working out for you Californians?
Diane Feinstein and many California politicians are up for election this year.
Do you want California to go in the same direction it has for the last 12 years, or would you actually like to see a change?
Haven’t the Democrats been given a long enough chance to get our house in order?
Just remember, no Republican governor has had a Republican Legislature to deal with in over 40 years.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t like seeing the state I love being destroyed while the perps laugh at us.
Examining and comparing the effects of democrat one-party rule over a 40 year time span is not ridiculous, whether at the state or major city level. The outcomes are clearly the same. Conservatives need to somehow educate people about the destruction caused by these horrible social and business policies.
OTOH, it could become Tijuana.
California was never part of Mexico in any real sense. See the bottom of my FR profile page for a brief history of the American SW.
It's a self-inflicted wound. CA could be rolling in cash, if it would just put some adults in charge.
Business-friendly states are benefiting greatly from California`s continued path toward socialism. Since nothing seems to even slow down CA`s devolution, we may as well accept it as a blessing. As these corporations move out to friendlier climes, they`ll grow and prosper. Unfortunately CA voters aren`t interested in prosperity, but the least that state serves as a centralized source from which other states can lure businesses who are.
“Kalifornia is getting exactly what they deserve.”
If you had said, “New York is getting exactly what they deserve” after 9/11, you would be excoriated on this website.
So why do you think it’s okay to say, on this website, founded by a Californian, and frequented by many Californians, such a thing about the greatest state in the union?
The state that you and the rest of the forty-nine states have abandoned to conquest and annexation by a foreign country? Without even token resistance?
Is it because you feel guilty for allowing the southern border to be abrogated? (You should.) Cowardly for reneging on the pact everybody signed in 1787? (You should.) Relieved that the chaos hasn’t spilled over into your state? (Yet.)
Californians don’t “deserve” what’s happened to our home. And even after going through what we’ve gone through — the sheer carnage visited on citizens by drunk driving and other criminal foreign nationals, for example — with no help from the other 49 states, we still wouldn’t wish it on your state. Or say you “deserved” it.
And the spelling California with a “K” thing? Hilarious. You must be from a state known for humor!
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