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Poverty takes its toll on life expectancy (Obama's America)
The Hill ^ | 08/17/12

Posted on 08/18/2012 7:40:02 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst

We’re living in two Americas. But unlike 50 years ago, when Michael Harrington’s “The Other America” shone a spotlight on poverty among certain groups within the U.S., today’s “other America” is one of profound differences in the most precious of all commodities – the length of our lives. We’ve known for some time now of the health and longevity disparities between blacks and whites. But, as new findings by the MacArthur Foundation Research Network on an Aging Society, recently published in Health Affairs, demonstrate, the story about these longevity gaps has gone through some rather startling changes.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012issues; bho44; newnormal; obamacare; poverty; publicdole; welfare
This is what we get. After 100 years of increasingly PAYING people to be poor, we finally reached the point where our desire to subsidize sloth and dependency is having a PHYSICAL toll.

It's time to end welfare. Not "welfare as we know it," but welfare -- all of it.

That's not to say we don't take care of the poor. But we have to stop ENCOURAGING and REWARDING poverty as we have over the past century (especially the past 40 years) and have done to a ridiculous degree under O-ZERO.

How do we do replace welfare? We go back to a system that worked or HUNDREDS of years before the "progressive" era: Private charity, faith-based institutions, poor farms, workhouses and the like.

All of these institutions emphasized spiritual development and labor as the way out of poverty. The poor were not coddled and made to feel like victims. They were told in a straightforward way that their poverty was not a badge of honor, but a failing that they needed to overcome. They were made to feel a healthy SHAME about their circumstances and encouraged to regain their dignity by paying back society for carrying them.

It's time. The progressive experiments have failed. Let's go back to what worked.

1 posted on 08/18/2012 7:40:20 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

A pretty fair amount of clap-trap in the article...

The stress of living paycheck to paycheck,etc.

Who hasn’t done that, at some point?

Adapt, improvise and overcome.

Next obstacle, please.


2 posted on 08/18/2012 7:54:33 PM PDT by One Name
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

The article is about education:

“Overall, in a very short span, we’ve seen a widening gulf between those with the least and most education in America.”

It sounds like those egghead ivory-tower brainiac professors are saying their better then us!! See how they like it when we defund all Public Universities!


3 posted on 08/18/2012 7:59:19 PM PDT by bammynomore
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
paying somebody to sit on their azz all day only getting up to eat, drink and fornicate takes it toll...
4 posted on 08/18/2012 8:01:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I completely disagree.

Free sex and abortion and the destruction of the family unit is the problem.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 8:07:36 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Liberals don't get it.

It's not education and health care. Those aren't the problems - it's drug use, gang deaths ( yes, those are averaged in to how long a group lives) and stupid life choices ( smoking, alcoholism, promiscuity etc) It's liberals making people dependent and broken... to secure cheap votes.

6 posted on 08/18/2012 8:11:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: GOPJ

If you are a poor adult in America, then you most likely brought it on yourself.


7 posted on 08/18/2012 8:14:11 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: bammynomore
“Overall, in a very short span, we’ve seen a widening gulf between those with the least and most education in America.”

In a true free market, most people start their professional lives poor and end them rich. In this environment, a growing gap between rich and poor means the sky is the limit for people just entering the market place. It's a GOOD thing and means we're living in a wealthy country, not bad.

Only in countries where people are born into their class and are condemned to live out their lives in their caste is a big gap between rich and poor bad.

8 posted on 08/18/2012 8:23:06 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
We've wasted bazillions of dollars on the "War on Poverty", and we now have the richest, best nourished poor people in the History of Man, we have the most expensive health care system on the planet, and as a nation, we rank #38 in life expectancy, behind Cuba.

So now it's education. "If we don’t create better education ladders for Americans to climb, we will find ourselves in a polarized country". We already have a polarized country! And there are plenty of education ladders, we just have waaaay too many people who want to be lifted by a crane because they're too fat and lazy to climb the abundant ladders that are readily available.

The kind of poverty we have in the US isn't the kind of poverty that more money will fix, so why even try?

9 posted on 08/18/2012 8:23:11 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: One Name

“Who hasn’t done that, at some point?”

I never have and never will, I was raised better than that!


10 posted on 08/18/2012 8:32:39 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Guess you never set out on your own; spoon-baby.

Some people didn’t do it like that.


11 posted on 08/18/2012 8:49:29 PM PDT by One Name
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I would be sceptical of anything funded by this foundation. It is a left wing group, not unlike the Ford Foundation.


12 posted on 08/18/2012 9:07:52 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I think it was Milton Friedman...

If you want more of something, subsidize it.

If you want less of something, tax it.


13 posted on 08/18/2012 9:08:49 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
There is plenty of generalizations in this article without drilling down to see exactly why these differences are happening and whether it is new or not.

The life span differences among the races has a lot to do with infant mortality. Once you get beyond that, the differences start to disappear. At birth, black females outlive white males. Table 105. Life Expectancy by Sex, Age, and Race: 2008

14 posted on 08/18/2012 9:08:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

What’s your handle on DU and Kos? Trying to make FR look bad doesn’t usually work, because we can see your “born on” date and also that you linked us to DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021158683


15 posted on 08/18/2012 9:10:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Decisions have consequences...


16 posted on 08/18/2012 9:19:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Democrats use powerful incentives to keep people dependent and broken... and many of those incentives do their worst damage when a person is young and more easily trapped...


17 posted on 08/18/2012 9:27:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: One Name

Learned helplessness is the goal. They start in on your child from Kindergarten on. Think about how school is set up. It lacks innovation or merit. You’re dependent on the whim of a single adult. You don’t decide a thing for yourself. Government school is meant to dumb your spirit down and prepare you for consumerism.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 9:38:12 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

quote “If you are a poor adult in America, then you most likely brought it on yourself.”

BINGO!

you show me someone poor and i’ll show you someone who made a lifetime of bad choices every time.


19 posted on 08/18/2012 10:02:57 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: GOPJ

Exactly. Early death and disease, statistically, in this group adds up to a lifestyle of immediate self gratification, irresponsibility and an immorality.

It’s not due to the people who succeed or racism and no socialist institution will fix it without raaaaacis oppression and control.


20 posted on 08/18/2012 10:24:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: One Name
“Guess you never set out on your own; spoon-baby.”

I had a paper route and was paying federal income taxes when I was 8.

Started plastering when I was 14 so I could build a righteous 40 coupe street racer ready on my 16th birthday.

Worked and paid my own way through college.

Never bought anything on payments except my first home.

Never in my life had less than a years earnings in reserve just in case something happened.

No one ever gave me anything asshole!

21 posted on 08/18/2012 10:37:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: everyone

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22 posted on 08/19/2012 12:26:20 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Our rural county has high poverty and an earlier than average death rate. Some of the poverty here is because we have always been a natural resource-based economy. With the spotted owl, the salmon and other environmental regulations, whole communities have slid into high unemployment and substance abuse.

You just can’t take a 60 year old logger or farmer and stick him in an office or the hospitality industry.

After 20 years of helping to deal with it, I believe it is a direct result of urban idiots who have no concept from where the food they eat, the clothes they wear and the houses they live in come. They would faint looking at the rear end of a cow in a squeeze chute. Rural people are looked upon as inferior throw aways that don’t count - particularly by the California urban legislature.

I can tell you that part of the early death rate is suicide. Many of these are young males from 17-30. But some are older folks. Just last month a seventy year old widowed female veteran in our town shot her little dog and then herself. The reason for suicide here is generally poverty and despair.

May the lord forgive you heartless people who see all poverty as a scam by lazy people against the system. I hope that you and yours never have to walk in their shoes some day.


23 posted on 08/19/2012 2:44:11 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: kabar
“The life span differences among the races has a lot to do with infant mortality. Once you get beyond that, the differences start to disappear.”

Excellent point. I'm beginning to think that we are being schizoid in this country to give free, first class, virtually unlimited health care to seniors and give nothing to young people, even where it would save lots of babies and lots of money.

First, as to seniors, why should Medicare every possible treatment, virtually regardless of cost? We don't give Social Security recipients the same income as a millionaire—we give them enough to get by. I think we should take the same approach with Medicare. Cover the basics with basic treatment. You want a treatment that costs $10,000 a month for a few years, get your own insurance or pay for it yourself.

Then, with regard to young people, it is amazing that the US ranks below Cuba in infant mortality. I suspect it comes down to lack of access to prenatal care. Let me digress and tell a story.

When I had my own business, living in Austin, Texas, I had a young couple who came to my office. We got to talking and it turned out that the lady was pregnant. It was their first child, and I asked them if they had been to get some doctor's advice on what they should be doing. They said they wanted to, but couldn't afford it. They were nice people and I told them I wanted to help them out. I said I would pay for a doctor's appointment so they could get the required counseling. They were very appreciative. But when I called, every doctor in town (about 350,000 population) who did prenatal care refused to see them unless they signed a contract to have that doctor deliver the baby, and put down a minimum $1000 deposit. This effectively shut poor people out of getting prenatal care. Of course, when the baby is delivered and has problems, they go to the local hospitals who then have to deliver the often very expensive treatment to save the child's life.

So I think we should provide government clinics who dispense free basic prenatal care—authorize say five visits where the expectant parents can learn what they need to do to have a healthy child, and also to spot problems early on where they have a much better chance of being remedied. Fund this by cutting back on the Cadillac treatment of our seniors on Medicare. Actually, it would take but a minuscule amount of what we spend on seniors to fund this.

24 posted on 08/19/2012 3:40:35 AM PDT by juno67 (Gua)
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To: bammynomore
saying their better then us!!

Their better then us?

Seriously?

25 posted on 08/19/2012 3:49:42 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: yldstrk
"Free sex and abortion and the destruction of the family unit is the problem."

Yes, but families used to stay together to survive. Now that your right to lay around and do nothing but have sex without consequence is guaranteed, the outcome is predictable.

Being poor should be something people work to avoid. In the old days (think cave men), everyone was extremely poor by today's standards, but if you didn't work you and your family would starve. Even then, if you had bad luck or whatever god you believed in (and you did believe) didn't protect you, you were dead.

26 posted on 08/19/2012 7:38:44 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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