Skip to comments.Poverty takes its toll on life expectancy (Obama's America)
Posted on 08/18/2012 7:40:02 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
Were living in two Americas. But unlike 50 years ago, when Michael Harringtons The Other America shone a spotlight on poverty among certain groups within the U.S., todays other America is one of profound differences in the most precious of all commodities the length of our lives. Weve known for some time now of the health and longevity disparities between blacks and whites. But, as new findings by the MacArthur Foundation Research Network on an Aging Society, recently published in Health Affairs, demonstrate, the story about these longevity gaps has gone through some rather startling changes.
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It's time to end welfare. Not "welfare as we know it," but welfare -- all of it.
That's not to say we don't take care of the poor. But we have to stop ENCOURAGING and REWARDING poverty as we have over the past century (especially the past 40 years) and have done to a ridiculous degree under O-ZERO.
How do we do replace welfare? We go back to a system that worked or HUNDREDS of years before the "progressive" era: Private charity, faith-based institutions, poor farms, workhouses and the like.
All of these institutions emphasized spiritual development and labor as the way out of poverty. The poor were not coddled and made to feel like victims. They were told in a straightforward way that their poverty was not a badge of honor, but a failing that they needed to overcome. They were made to feel a healthy SHAME about their circumstances and encouraged to regain their dignity by paying back society for carrying them.
It's time. The progressive experiments have failed. Let's go back to what worked.
A pretty fair amount of clap-trap in the article...
The stress of living paycheck to paycheck,etc.
Who hasn’t done that, at some point?
Adapt, improvise and overcome.
Next obstacle, please.
The article is about education:
“Overall, in a very short span, weve seen a widening gulf between those with the least and most education in America.”
It sounds like those egghead ivory-tower brainiac professors are saying their better then us!! See how they like it when we defund all Public Universities!
I completely disagree.
Free sex and abortion and the destruction of the family unit is the problem.
It's not education and health care. Those aren't the problems - it's drug use, gang deaths ( yes, those are averaged in to how long a group lives) and stupid life choices ( smoking, alcoholism, promiscuity etc) It's liberals making people dependent and broken... to secure cheap votes.
If you are a poor adult in America, then you most likely brought it on yourself.
In a true free market, most people start their professional lives poor and end them rich. In this environment, a growing gap between rich and poor means the sky is the limit for people just entering the market place. It's a GOOD thing and means we're living in a wealthy country, not bad.
Only in countries where people are born into their class and are condemned to live out their lives in their caste is a big gap between rich and poor bad.
So now it's education. "If we dont create better education ladders for Americans to climb, we will find ourselves in a polarized country". We already have a polarized country! And there are plenty of education ladders, we just have waaaay too many people who want to be lifted by a crane because they're too fat and lazy to climb the abundant ladders that are readily available.
The kind of poverty we have in the US isn't the kind of poverty that more money will fix, so why even try?
“Who hasnt done that, at some point?”
I never have and never will, I was raised better than that!
Guess you never set out on your own; spoon-baby.
Some people didn’t do it like that.
I would be sceptical of anything funded by this foundation. It is a left wing group, not unlike the Ford Foundation.
I think it was Milton Friedman...
If you want more of something, subsidize it.
If you want less of something, tax it.
The life span differences among the races has a lot to do with infant mortality. Once you get beyond that, the differences start to disappear. At birth, black females outlive white males. Table 105. Life Expectancy by Sex, Age, and Race: 2008
What’s your handle on DU and Kos? Trying to make FR look bad doesn’t usually work, because we can see your “born on” date and also that you linked us to DU:
Decisions have consequences...
Democrats use powerful incentives to keep people dependent and broken... and many of those incentives do their worst damage when a person is young and more easily trapped...
Learned helplessness is the goal. They start in on your child from Kindergarten on. Think about how school is set up. It lacks innovation or merit. You’re dependent on the whim of a single adult. You don’t decide a thing for yourself. Government school is meant to dumb your spirit down and prepare you for consumerism.
quote “If you are a poor adult in America, then you most likely brought it on yourself.”
you show me someone poor and i’ll show you someone who made a lifetime of bad choices every time.
Exactly. Early death and disease, statistically, in this group adds up to a lifestyle of immediate self gratification, irresponsibility and an immorality.
It’s not due to the people who succeed or racism and no socialist institution will fix it without raaaaacis oppression and control.
I had a paper route and was paying federal income taxes when I was 8.
Started plastering when I was 14 so I could build a righteous 40 coupe street racer ready on my 16th birthday.
Worked and paid my own way through college.
Never bought anything on payments except my first home.
Never in my life had less than a years earnings in reserve just in case something happened.
No one ever gave me anything asshole!
Our rural county has high poverty and an earlier than average death rate. Some of the poverty here is because we have always been a natural resource-based economy. With the spotted owl, the salmon and other environmental regulations, whole communities have slid into high unemployment and substance abuse.
You just can’t take a 60 year old logger or farmer and stick him in an office or the hospitality industry.
After 20 years of helping to deal with it, I believe it is a direct result of urban idiots who have no concept from where the food they eat, the clothes they wear and the houses they live in come. They would faint looking at the rear end of a cow in a squeeze chute. Rural people are looked upon as inferior throw aways that don’t count - particularly by the California urban legislature.
I can tell you that part of the early death rate is suicide. Many of these are young males from 17-30. But some are older folks. Just last month a seventy year old widowed female veteran in our town shot her little dog and then herself. The reason for suicide here is generally poverty and despair.
May the lord forgive you heartless people who see all poverty as a scam by lazy people against the system. I hope that you and yours never have to walk in their shoes some day.
Excellent point. I'm beginning to think that we are being schizoid in this country to give free, first class, virtually unlimited health care to seniors and give nothing to young people, even where it would save lots of babies and lots of money.
First, as to seniors, why should Medicare every possible treatment, virtually regardless of cost? We don't give Social Security recipients the same income as a millionaire—we give them enough to get by. I think we should take the same approach with Medicare. Cover the basics with basic treatment. You want a treatment that costs $10,000 a month for a few years, get your own insurance or pay for it yourself.
Then, with regard to young people, it is amazing that the US ranks below Cuba in infant mortality. I suspect it comes down to lack of access to prenatal care. Let me digress and tell a story.
When I had my own business, living in Austin, Texas, I had a young couple who came to my office. We got to talking and it turned out that the lady was pregnant. It was their first child, and I asked them if they had been to get some doctor's advice on what they should be doing. They said they wanted to, but couldn't afford it. They were nice people and I told them I wanted to help them out. I said I would pay for a doctor's appointment so they could get the required counseling. They were very appreciative. But when I called, every doctor in town (about 350,000 population) who did prenatal care refused to see them unless they signed a contract to have that doctor deliver the baby, and put down a minimum $1000 deposit. This effectively shut poor people out of getting prenatal care. Of course, when the baby is delivered and has problems, they go to the local hospitals who then have to deliver the often very expensive treatment to save the child's life.
So I think we should provide government clinics who dispense free basic prenatal care—authorize say five visits where the expectant parents can learn what they need to do to have a healthy child, and also to spot problems early on where they have a much better chance of being remedied. Fund this by cutting back on the Cadillac treatment of our seniors on Medicare. Actually, it would take but a minuscule amount of what we spend on seniors to fund this.
Their better then us?
Yes, but families used to stay together to survive. Now that your right to lay around and do nothing but have sex without consequence is guaranteed, the outcome is predictable.
Being poor should be something people work to avoid. In the old days (think cave men), everyone was extremely poor by today's standards, but if you didn't work you and your family would starve. Even then, if you had bad luck or whatever god you believed in (and you did believe) didn't protect you, you were dead.
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