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Chesterfield man held in hospital on concerns over Internet posts
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-chesterfield-man-held-in-hospital-on-conce-ar-2140519/ ^ | August 19, 2012 | Peter Bacqué

Posted on 08/19/2012 4:58:04 AM PDT by iceskater

A Chesterfield County man and Marine veteran is in a local hospital after being picked up by federal and local law enforcement officials concerned about threatening Internet postings.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, was in Hopewell's John Randolph Medical Center on Saturday.

"I'm currently in John Randolph in the psychiatric ward being held against my will," Raub said in a telephone interview.

Reports of his detention Thursday have gone viral on the Internet.

Raub said Secret Service, FBI and Chesterfield police officers came to his home Thursday. "They were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials," he said.

He was taken to the Chesterfield police station and then to the hospital, he said.

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Raub said he does not own a gun.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: firstamendment; freespeech; marine; obama; raub; sourcetitlenoturl; unlawfuldetention; veteran; virginia
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1 posted on 08/19/2012 4:58:12 AM PDT by iceskater
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To: iceskater

Hum, all agencies deny arresting him. Probably using Patriot Act indefinite detention provisions. Where is ACLU? Where are veteran groups?


2 posted on 08/19/2012 5:05:10 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: iceskater

Neither the SS or the FBI admits to having charged or arrested him; the local police department claims they are only “assisting” the FBI/SS - whoever. Yet, the man has been committed to a psychiatric ward for an indeterminate diagnosis. His crime? “Arrest some government officials” and the like. Comments one could arguably be considered far less caustic than made here on a wide number of topics.

No one in the article asks, or indicates just where the SS or the FBI got hold of the comments and connected them to Raub (the internee) or by what authority they did so.


3 posted on 08/19/2012 5:10:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: shalom aleichem
"Hum, all agencies deny arresting him. Probably using Patriot Act indefinite detention provisions. Where is ACLU? Where are veteran groups?"

Well, at least the authorities admit he exists. The next step might be just to disappear people.

4 posted on 08/19/2012 5:12:28 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29

More info...

http://www.businessinsider.com/brandon-raub-marine-911-detained-2012-8?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=defense


5 posted on 08/19/2012 5:14:10 AM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: Truth29
Well, at least the authorities admit he exists. The next step might be just to disappear people.

Probably some local reporter got wind and thought he'd break a real terrorism story.

In Obama's post 2012 America, pesky things like reporters will be tightly controlled - they won't be able to 'free-range' as previously.

6 posted on 08/19/2012 5:17:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: iceskater
Didn't the Soviets lock up "trouble makers" in psychiatric wards?

Wasn't this one of Stalin's modi operandi?

Note tagline.

7 posted on 08/19/2012 5:18:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("It is the forgotten past that enslaves us." --C. S. Lewis)
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To: iceskater
Didn't the Soviets lock up "trouble makers" in psychiatric wards?

Wasn't this one of Stalin's modi operandi?

Note tagline.

8 posted on 08/19/2012 5:18:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("It is the forgotten past that enslaves us." --C. S. Lewis)
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To: LadyEleanor

Well, it just goes to show you that one shouldn’t use Facebook as an outlet to express one’s political thoughts.

Some rabid liberal likely just dropped a dime on him to the FBI claiming terrorism, etc. and that was all it took.


9 posted on 08/19/2012 5:22:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: iceskater

Someone is watching Facebook pretty closely if they are reading this guys posts.


10 posted on 08/19/2012 5:23:17 AM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: Gaffer
Well, it just goes to show you that one shouldn’t use Facebook as an outlet to express one’s political thoughts.
You're right! It's amazing what is said on Facebook. Here's his page, it has not been removed: https://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall
11 posted on 08/19/2012 5:24:59 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: iceskater
How many others of los desaparecidos are there? How many will there be?

Note tagline. It is not merely the forgotten distant past. The recent past is every bit as enslaving. Those (who like me are) concerned about the horrors of slavery, in all its horrifying forms, would be wise to ponder this.

12 posted on 08/19/2012 5:31:28 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("It is the forgotten past that enslaves us." --C. S. Lewis)
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To: Gaffer
Well, it just goes to show you that one shouldn’t use Facebook as an outlet to express one’s political thoughts.

Some rabid liberal likely just dropped a dime on him to the FBI claiming terrorism, etc. and that was all it took.

But no leftist activist or government agency would ever think to monitor what is said on a place like Free Republic, where logins could be traced back to IP addresses...

13 posted on 08/19/2012 5:43:53 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Truth29

Freightening.


14 posted on 08/19/2012 5:43:59 AM PDT by Shady (The Tea Party is the Party of the American People, Working and creating wealth in SPITE of OBAMA!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

That’s precisely why I often practice the art of self-censorship.


15 posted on 08/19/2012 5:55:20 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: iceskater

Tyrants don’t change:

“...transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences..”


16 posted on 08/19/2012 5:56:49 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: iceskater

Tyrants don’t change:

“...transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences..”


17 posted on 08/19/2012 5:56:58 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Gaffer

>> Comments one could arguably be considered far less caustic than made here on a wide number of topics.

They’d probably like to lock up a bunch of US, too... only problem is they’d have to get a subpoena to find out who we are, and they have no legal grounds for getting one.

On Facebook they already know who you are, so they just go get you.


18 posted on 08/19/2012 5:57:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: iceskater
Hell,I'm calling...right here and now...for the arrest of Osama Obama,Plugs Biden and the entire Cabinet.any LEO who wants to arrest me need only PM me and I'll provide my name and address.Please note well that I wish no physical *harm* to come to any of those I wish to see arrested!

Either someone's made a big mistake here or else this guy's done more than just call for someone's *arrest*.Hell,weren't the Rat Marxists routinely calling for W to be arrested and sent to The Hague as a war criminal?

19 posted on 08/19/2012 5:58:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: .45 Long Colt

>> That’s precisely why I often practice the art of self-censorship.

It’s more a discipline than an art. A discipline I seem not to have mastered sometimes...

Good for you for practicing self control.


20 posted on 08/19/2012 6:00:57 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: iceskater
.....Raub said he does not own a gun.

After he is released from the hospital and goes home and the SWAT team raids his home and kills him, he will own a lot of guns and drugs,and everything else they "discover" inside.

21 posted on 08/19/2012 6:06:31 AM PDT by sport
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To: Savage Beast

This story just hits a little too close to home - literally.
And since my congress critter, Eric Cantor, voted for NDAA, nothing would surprise.


22 posted on 08/19/2012 6:07:10 AM PDT by iceskater (The clock is ticking....November's coming.)
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To: iceskater

Well duh, people think they are safe and hidden away while posting on the web, unless you are offshore, traveling cross country or possibly after using some clever cut-outs such as ISP spoofing.

First off if you really must get nasty against the Feds do it from a place where you cannot be traced from or they will come there and find you are not.

Its already gone into effect, infiltrate the conservative forums, the snipers forums, anything forum of the type that could or will be a threat to Obamas socialism and then take note of who the troublemakers are, and then send the goon squads out to “evict” them, detain them for mental purposes or find a way to have them involved in a terrorist attack like planting evidence upon them.

Foremost is to hammer into the publics eye and mind that these people are “bad’, or deranged.


23 posted on 08/19/2012 6:07:13 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: LadyEleanor

FB has become more and more intolerant of conservative posters. FB routinely bans them, etc.


24 posted on 08/19/2012 6:08:56 AM PDT by iceskater (The clock is ticking....November's coming.)
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To: iceskater

Now it begins..............a lesson right out of the communist rule book...”if there is nothing else to arrest them for, cite they have mental problems and must be separated from society for the safety of others.”

We have already established regulations dealing with thought crimes, speech crimes, hate crimes and the list goes on and on and on.

We have truly morphed into early Russian communism.


25 posted on 08/19/2012 6:09:39 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: shalom aleichem

Of course they deny arresting him. Such as they now are, one’s Constitutional Rights such as speedy trial,4th amendant, not being forced to incriminate one’s self, do not kick in until arrested.


26 posted on 08/19/2012 6:13:25 AM PDT by sport
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To: Nervous Tick

only problem is they’d have to get a subpoena to find out who we are, and they have no legal grounds for getting one.


Are you kidding? Legal grounds????????

In Obama’s “brave new world” there is not legal...only regal.

Laws only apply to true Americans, not Marxist/Communists.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 6:14:17 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Gaffer

Every thing that is put on Facebook goes all over the World along with the info as to who put it there. The Governmental agencies,State and Federal monitor the Facebook posts.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 6:16:21 AM PDT by sport
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To: LadyEleanor
Someone is watching Facebook pretty closely if they are reading this guys posts.

It doesn't take having government officials monitoring FaceBook. All it takes is having just one Leftist among your "friends" there, who decides to be outraged by what you write, and send an email to some agency denouncing you as a dangerous crazy right-wing-nut.

Stalinist repression was not implemented by legions of full-time Secret Police. It was implemented by hundreds of thousands of permanently-resentful people who would report their neighbors for any little thing.

29 posted on 08/19/2012 6:17:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: mlizzy

Someone claimed this was the post they took him for but i do not know:
http://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2587924188052&refid=52&_ft_=fbid.319835848113208


30 posted on 08/19/2012 6:25:17 AM PDT by Texas Gal (Yay shariah. It's as great as diarrhea.)
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To: Gaffer

The FBI is a sick joke - based on the lies I was told by a local FBI worker when I tried to report Obama’s forged birth certificate.

If I don’t post later today you’ll know they came to get me.


31 posted on 08/19/2012 6:33:05 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: shalom aleichem

Read his Facebook page. Brandon Raub is a full blown truther. If you want to give it up for this guy...be my guest. I don’t have the time to waste on people that are full of conspiracy theories.

9-11 was not an attack on America by our government - It was an attack led by Islam - period.


32 posted on 08/19/2012 6:33:23 AM PDT by Herodes
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To: PapaBear3625

FR has its share of leftists concern trolls as well, I think most give themselves away as being grammar nazis.

I suggest keeping the rhetoric against Obama g rated for the time being, no I don’t think we should back off an inch, if anything its time to triple our efforts.

Granted some people are overly focused and may be borderline nutjobs, but for the rest of us as patriotic conservatives with a christian morality we must NOT back down or hide away in the night, but be very care full what you say and where, your enemy may be closer than you think.


33 posted on 08/19/2012 6:36:02 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: iceskater

He does sound like a kook, so a psychiatric ward may not be a bad place for him to spend a few days.


34 posted on 08/19/2012 6:39:23 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: iceskater

Why arrest the officials? Kafkaize them in a mental institution instead.


35 posted on 08/19/2012 6:41:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: iceskater
Yes, I have posted this reply several times.. there may be some who have not seen this. I personally think that it is germane and important. It's from the JFK/RFK years -- RFK makes Rahm Emanuel look like a choirboy.. from what I remember.

Gen. Walker "resigned his commission after being publicly and formally admonished by President John F. Kennedy (JFK). [Civilian, conservative activist and anti-communist Edwin Walker] was an attempted assassination target of Lee Harvey Oswald on April 10, 1963 . . . [Walker] was temporarily held in a mental institution on orders from President Kennedy's brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy. RFK demanded that Walker receive a 90-day psychiatric examination. . . [but a] coalition of liberal and right-wing leaders [forced] Attorney General [Robert Kennedy] . . . to back down, and Walker spent only five days in the asylum . . . ."

I might add.. Walker's conservative and anti-communist views caught the wrath of that era's MSM and they published lie after lie about him including that he led violent attacks on blacks at a Mississippi university. Walker sued but the SCOTUS ruled the the wire service (AP I believe) simply made a mistake. I think that when General Walker reached his 80s the Congress granted him the retirement that he forfeited when he resigned his commission to fight against communism in the U.S.

Walker was a W.W.II special forces hero and Korean War vet. (He led the troops at Little Rock, Ark. under orders from President Eisenhower 1959, IIRC.)

My emphasis above.. if this Marine is being treated like JFK and RFK treated Edwin Walker we damn well better see to it that the Marine gets the same protection that Edwin Walker got. Even the ACLU helped Walker back then. Now?

36 posted on 08/19/2012 6:45:06 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Truth29

“Well, at least the authorities admit he exists. The next step might be just to disappear people.”

Like Stalin and Pinochet?

Don’t worry. The Socialization of Anerica will bring that and much, much more!

Stalin did say, “No man, no problem.”


37 posted on 08/19/2012 6:45:21 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Eye of Unk
but be very care full what you say and where, your enemy may be closer than you think.

On FR (and other places I post on), I try to be very careful to not say anything that could be interpreted as something the police or SS would take an interest in. Whenever anybody posts, they should take a second and think "Is there any way that what I'm about to say could be interpreted as a threat of (or a call for) physical violence?", and if so, clarify your wording.

38 posted on 08/19/2012 6:47:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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Comment #39 Removed by Moderator

To: null and void

NJCT ping.


40 posted on 08/19/2012 6:48:17 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: null and void

NJCT ping.


41 posted on 08/19/2012 6:48:36 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: Herodes

And so what... “Impeach the SOB” is a time honored rant and has never been viewed as anything other than political speech no matter how implausible the call. Unless the kook(?) planned to carry this out himself, rather than attempting to persuade the proper agents to do so, this is political speech. The protection of the law should be afforded to anyone from Jim Rob down to this kook. And no fair kafkaizing him in a mental hospital. I say better to do that to certain politicians.


42 posted on 08/19/2012 6:49:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: iceskater

Arrest? That’s all?


43 posted on 08/19/2012 6:49:31 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: iceskater

Arrest? That’s all?


44 posted on 08/19/2012 6:49:31 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mo

Without even mussing them up? (pace Henery Hawk)


45 posted on 08/19/2012 6:51:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: sport

A guy I know who has been holding up signs and protesting his arrest told me he was going to court Monday morning. Supposedly the guys sister told him that. How would he be going to court and what is the charge ? Also he was told that he called for a civil war and that he would lead it. Not sure what all he said, just what I heard. I think it is ridiculous the guy has been arrested and put in the phsyco sp ? ward. Also heard the guy has been in the military.


46 posted on 08/19/2012 6:51:46 AM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Gaffer

“Well, it just goes to show you that one shouldn’t use Facebook as an outlet to express one’s political thoughts.”

IMHO.......THE absolute wrong response..in fact, it just is a primo demonstration that we have effectively been transformed into a police state....with no accountability. Trying to admit otherwise is avoiding the responsibility each owes to freedom.


47 posted on 08/19/2012 6:53:05 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Savage Beast

People just don’t see the fascist President they elected. Putting faith in a man was only good once in history. After that even every other man have been failures.


48 posted on 08/19/2012 6:55:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Carry me back

It sure seems that Obummer and gang are waging an uncivil war against America right now.

If somebody could show us what the purported incendiary internet postings were, it might be enlightening. To this point, it sounds like any talk of civil war was figurative and is legally protected as political speech. You have a legal right here to call for any political regime you want, even one that would change the constitution in implausible ways and do illogical things.


49 posted on 08/19/2012 6:58:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: bmwcyle

And even the sinless Savior had difficulty getting a lot of people to believe at first. People were expecting an earthly king rather than a heavenly one.


50 posted on 08/19/2012 7:02:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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