Skip to comments.Panetta: Afghanistan forces must be rigorously vetted
Posted on 08/19/2012 9:11:51 AM PDT by moonshot925
Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta is urging Afghanistan to rigorously vet its security force recruits following a spate of attacks that has seen Afghan soldiers and police turn their weapons on NATO troops.
In a telephone call Saturday, Panetta encouraged President Hamid Karzai to work closely with the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan to counter such attacks, Pentagon spokesman George Little said in a written statement.
There have been a record 31 attacks on NATO forces by people wearing Afghan security force uniforms this year, the alliance's mission in Afghanistan says.
The attacks have resulted in the deaths of 39 NATO service members, according to NATO's International Security Assistance Force.
Three ISAF service members were killed Sunday, but not in a so-called green-on-blue attack. They died following an improvised explosive device attack in eastern Afghanistan, ISAF said.
The latest green-on-blue attacks took place Friday. An Afghan police officer opened fire on U.S. troops in Farah province, killing two, the same day that an Afghan soldier wounded two NATO service members and an Afghan security force member in Kandahar province.
Even as NATO has blamed the majority of attacks on personal grievances rather than an infiltration by insurgents, ISAF commanding Gen. John Allen has ordered all troops in the country to carry loaded weapons around the clock.
Panetta urged Karzai to work closely with Allen to strengthen ISAF-Afghan cooperation to counter the threat, "including augmented counterintelligence measures, even more rigorous vetting of Afghan recruits, and stepped up engagement with village elders, who often play a key role by vouching for Afghan security personnel," Little said.
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There is alot more work to be done.
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Absolutely not. We are throwing lives and money away over there.
At first I thought this was about the SEALS turning on Obama. :)
“Afghanistan forces must be rigorously vetted”
There’s a brainstorm.
Good luck with that.
You want them to stay. Change the ROE. Stop worrying about “civilian” casualties. Free up the trigger fingers.
Absolutely. Bring them home. RE make them sitting ducks and canon fodder. The muslin-in-chief just wants to humiliate and defeat them.
The Brits and the Rooskies learned their Afghan lesson long ago.
We can’t just cut and run from a fight like cowards.
That would be humiliating.
You forgot the sarcasm tag. We should have left the minute Bin Laden was killed. Nothing in Afghanistan is worth the life of one more American. Afghanistan will never come out of the 9th century. We did what we set out to do. The Afghans need to sort this out on their own now. If they act up again we bomb them back to the 8th century. It’s long past time to bring our troops home.
I guess Panetta is thinking “better late than never”.
Proper and conservative thinking would state “Better Never Late”
There is absolutely no leadership in our Country, does anyone in the thrones of power care...I can’t hear them if they do.
The first principle of leadership is to know your soldiers and take care for their welfare...or at least it use to be.
Only a fool stays in a fight he has no chance of winning.
So what would you have us do? What is “victory”?
You know what I mean, too. Isn't that why U.S. soldiers had their weapons taken away from them when you visited there a few months ago?
“We cant just cut and run from a fight like cowards.
That would be humiliating.”
What do we gain from remaining there? We gain absolutely nothing. We have hit every milestone we need to there. Nation Building is crap and will never work in a place that doesn’t want to join the civilized world. As I said before, there is nothing there that is worth one more American life. It’s time to bring our boys home.
Now is not the time to leave.
The Afghan security forces are a mess and Obama wants us to leave in 2014.
Way too early.
Incredibly easy to say from your keyboard. Go over there, run the stupid missions while risking life and limb, potentially get killed by the police and military forces you’re training, THEN tell me about how cowardly and humiliating it is.
Screw those people.
And just what and how does Mr. Communist want them vetted?
The Afghan Security Forces will always be a mess. They have no loyalty to the Central Govt. The Pashtuns hate the Uzbeks, the Uzbeks hate the Tajiks......... The place is an ethnic and tribal mess. Why should we give a damn about a population that doesn’t give a damn about itself as a whole?
There is nothing to be gained by remaining in that shithole any longer. You have failed to answer my question about what we gain by remaining.
I agree. The time to leave was years ago.
The U.S. has been actively involved in a military campaign in Afghanistan that has now dragged on longer than the U.S. Civil War and both World Wars -- combined.
Nobody even knows what the hell "victory" would even mean there. And since the most effective tactic to be used against Afghan forces who turn on U.S. soldiers is one that has already put one soldier in serious legal trouble (SSgt. Robert Bales), there's no justification for keeping any of these military personnel in harm's way over there.
I hope we decamp tomorrow.
There isn’t a thing there worth another soldier or marine’s life.
We are still fighting the Taliban you know.
They are the enemy who hosted, sheltered and funded al-Qaeda.
If we leave now the Taliban could take over Afghanistan and give sanctuary to more terrorists.
Karzai is Afghanistan’s version of someone once known as ‘Diem”. What did the US do with him?
We have played footsie long enough. Remove our troops to a location 100 miles out from any villages, and completely from Kabul. Let the JDAMS clear the territories, including all the infrastructures that we had built, in one night, at one time, so uncle Kabob cannot call nephew Hishsneesh. Then we depart the country.
Look what happened when we left Vietnam in 1973.
The communists controlled the entire country 2 years later.
Millions of South Vietnamese were imprisoned, arrested, tortured, executed or sent to re-education camps by the communists.
I guess you didn't get the memo...
LOL! Good one! I almost thought you were serious.
Staying in that hellhole for ten years is in no way cowardice.
You need to wrap your mind around a little bit of reality.
Afghanistan isn't a country it's an outlaw land and it has been for at least fifteen centuries. Its borders only exist because it is what's left over where the borders of other countries end. Countries that aren't too civilized themselves. The only way to remove the outlaws from Afghanistan is to kill every living thing there. Is that what we're about? Then what? Five years after that it will be re-populated by outlaws from surrounding lands.
The question is; what is 'victory' in Afghanistan? You haven't answered that because you can't.
Panetta is a POS coward, who’s address should be ClubFed for treason. He is wholly incompetent and guilty of felony buffoonery.
If you want to avoid a repeat of that in Afghanistan, I'll propose two simple measures.
1. Give every Afghan adult a modern, state-of-the-art weapon and a massive pile of ammunition.
2. Let them sort it out.
If it takes any more than that for Afghans to protect themselves, then there's really nothing that anyone can do without turning that entire country into a massive U.S. Indian reservation.
If they can't figure this out themselves, then we're wasting our time, money and lives.
You mean like we did in Viet Nam?
If we were to actually fight, sure, let's stay. But we have no intention of fighting, and conditions are getting much worse over there. The people know what's going on and they're going to side with the Taliban.
All we're doing now is sending men and women into a meat grinder for solely prideful purposes.
No more Taliban. No more Afghanistan, either. No more threat to the U.S.
If this situation is as dire as you seem to think it is, then it is f#%&ing treason for the U.S. government to carry out this mission the way it has. And if it's not that dire, then there's no reason to be there.
It's no coincidence that the U.S. stopped winning wars when we stopped trying to win wars.
They are as stone age savage and backwards as the day we went in. If we are there for a violent war mission, fine. But not 5 more years, or 5 more minutes to push the insane notion that they will ever be a free society. It isn’t worth a single life to do anything for those Afghans.
They are not my concern as a people beyond their military capability.
And the farce of our soldiers walking by opium fields under strict orders not to damage them, us giving them attack aircraft, us pretending that that they are ‘people’ in the same manner that we are is insane.
The only way we should be there is a absolute rulers, with no pretext of an Afghan government. Islam should be forbidden and eradicated. There is no other way to build a society there.
That’s why we should have stayed in Vietnam until the enemy was defeated.
Instead of running like cowards and letting millions die.
We were on the verge of victory anyway.
In the end, it is not the troops who decide the outcome, it is the politicians.
Omg, it would be humiliating. Then is your plan to stay there forever? Surely you don’t think they will ever be a society that reflects anything we would want. You cannot think they will not become a radical Islamic tribal state the minute we depart. We have already been there three times longer than we were in WWII, and are no closer to the goal.
Nation building there as long as Islam is permitted would be like trying the postwar occupation of Nazi Germany, but allowing the Nazi party to exist. Instead of murdering our very best kids with insane ROE that are pushed by our flag rank cowards, those kids should be here, having families, and being our neighbors, working with us, being teachers, cops, construction workers, and oil men.
We are wasting our best, for ungrateful people that are really more of a form of wildlife. We might as well try to teach dogs arithmetic.
There was and is no internal struggle for control of Afghanistan so that analogy fails completely.
Millions of South Vietnamese were imprisoned, arrested, tortured, executed or sent to re-education camps by the communists.
That won't happen because there is no internal struggle for control of Afghanistan.
YOU vet the DNC Presidential Candidates.
Then we'll talk.
I contend that no U.S. soldier should ever be put in harm's way in a foreign land without the full legal and political support of his government. That's what a declaration of war is all about. If anyone thinks that makes me unpatriotic, then I'd question their understanding of what patriotism even means.
After Operation Linebacker II in December 1972, the North Vietnamese sued for peace which lead to the Paris Peace Accords in January 1973 and the cease fire.
There was peace in Vietnam but it only lasted until our troops had withdrawn. Then the communists renewed offensive operations and took Saigon.
The fatal mistake we made was pulling out our troops too early.
Simple: Bring them home or unleash the hounds of hell. This PC crap is getting our fine military troops killed. What in hell is in Afghanistan asset wise that keeps us there. The Taliban are there to stay and as long as Islam is both religion and political power and a tribal mindset with no desire to change, IMHO, nothing is going to change. The Islamists have only one goal...to kill all infidels.
Right. Linebacker II.
Bomb the F ghani’s long and hard. Bomb them at day. At night. In the fields. In their hovels.
Then for kicks stage koran burnings or other blasphemies to get them to group up and hit them with the Napalm.
You are not going to change anyone’s character by vetting them.Instead recruit people who lost the lives of relatives to the insurgents or who’ve been in conflict with the Taliban.
People with personal reasons to fight versus people who make good recruits would be intelligent.Hiring from tribes that have the most to lose if the Taliban win,would also be a good idea but since that is politically incorrect......
Also slightly 10 years after an invasion is kind of late in the game to be planning this.Clarifying what we’re doing here,would be nice otherwise just leave this hellhole to destroy itself.
By Telegraph Reporters
11:30AM BST 20 Aug 2012
The BBC Three documentary series, Our War, will return to British screens from tonight.
The first programme uses footage captured on helmet cameras of front line troops to show scenes of war in astonishing detail.
According to the public broadcaster, the self-shot stories “explore the different ways in which a decade of conflict in Afghanistan has affected young people.
A BBC spokesman said: Many of the videos have been shot by young people, from their perspectives, in their own words.
Whether it’s young soldiers fighting on the front line, the families of serving troops back home, or Afghans living in a war torn country. ...