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Panetta: Afghanistan forces must be rigorously vetted
CNN ^ | 19 August 2012 | CNN Wire Staff

Posted on 08/19/2012 9:11:51 AM PDT by moonshot925

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta is urging Afghanistan to rigorously vet its security force recruits following a spate of attacks that has seen Afghan soldiers and police turn their weapons on NATO troops.

In a telephone call Saturday, Panetta encouraged President Hamid Karzai to work closely with the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan to counter such attacks, Pentagon spokesman George Little said in a written statement.

There have been a record 31 attacks on NATO forces by people wearing Afghan security force uniforms this year, the alliance's mission in Afghanistan says.

The attacks have resulted in the deaths of 39 NATO service members, according to NATO's International Security Assistance Force.

Three ISAF service members were killed Sunday, but not in a so-called green-on-blue attack. They died following an improvised explosive device attack in eastern Afghanistan, ISAF said.

The latest green-on-blue attacks took place Friday. An Afghan police officer opened fire on U.S. troops in Farah province, killing two, the same day that an Afghan soldier wounded two NATO service members and an Afghan security force member in Kandahar province.

Even as NATO has blamed the majority of attacks on personal grievances rather than an infiltration by insurgents, ISAF commanding Gen. John Allen has ordered all troops in the country to carry loaded weapons around the clock.

Panetta urged Karzai to work closely with Allen to strengthen ISAF-Afghan cooperation to counter the threat, "including augmented counterintelligence measures, even more rigorous vetting of Afghan recruits, and stepped up engagement with village elders, who often play a key role by vouching for Afghan security personnel," Little said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; panetta
I hope Romney keeps our troops in for at least another 5 years.

There is alot more work to be done.

1 posted on 08/19/2012 9:11:59 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
We need to do some vetting right here at home...

Special Operations OPSEC targets Obama for reckless intelligence leaks (FR thread)

Dishonorable Disclosures (22:00 Youtube video)

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2 posted on 08/19/2012 9:14:39 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: moonshot925

Absolutely not. We are throwing lives and money away over there.


3 posted on 08/19/2012 9:16:17 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: moonshot925

At first I thought this was about the SEALS turning on Obama. :)


4 posted on 08/19/2012 9:17:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: moonshot925

“Afghanistan forces must be rigorously vetted”

There’s a brainstorm.
Good luck with that.


5 posted on 08/19/2012 9:18:26 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: moonshot925

You want them to stay. Change the ROE. Stop worrying about “civilian” casualties. Free up the trigger fingers.


6 posted on 08/19/2012 9:18:46 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Future Snake Eater

Absolutely. Bring them home. RE make them sitting ducks and canon fodder. The muslin-in-chief just wants to humiliate and defeat them.


7 posted on 08/19/2012 9:19:21 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem

The Brits and the Rooskies learned their Afghan lesson long ago.


8 posted on 08/19/2012 9:23:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Future Snake Eater; bigheadfred

We can’t just cut and run from a fight like cowards.

That would be humiliating.


9 posted on 08/19/2012 9:23:42 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

You forgot the sarcasm tag. We should have left the minute Bin Laden was killed. Nothing in Afghanistan is worth the life of one more American. Afghanistan will never come out of the 9th century. We did what we set out to do. The Afghans need to sort this out on their own now. If they act up again we bomb them back to the 8th century. It’s long past time to bring our troops home.


10 posted on 08/19/2012 9:24:27 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: moonshot925

I guess Panetta is thinking “better late than never”.

Proper and conservative thinking would state “Better Never Late”

There is absolutely no leadership in our Country, does anyone in the thrones of power care...I can’t hear them if they do.

The first principle of leadership is to know your soldiers and take care for their welfare...or at least it use to be.


11 posted on 08/19/2012 9:25:09 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: moonshot925

Only a fool stays in a fight he has no chance of winning.


12 posted on 08/19/2012 9:27:31 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: moonshot925

So what would you have us do? What is “victory”?


13 posted on 08/19/2012 9:29:17 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: moonshot925
I've got a better idea, Mr. Panetta. Let's pull every U.S. soldier out of Afghanistan and "vet" our own political and military leadership before wasting any more time, money and lives there.

You know what I mean, too. Isn't that why U.S. soldiers had their weapons taken away from them when you visited there a few months ago?

14 posted on 08/19/2012 9:30:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: moonshot925

“We can’t just cut and run from a fight like cowards.

That would be humiliating.”

What do we gain from remaining there? We gain absolutely nothing. We have hit every milestone we need to there. Nation Building is crap and will never work in a place that doesn’t want to join the civilized world. As I said before, there is nothing there that is worth one more American life. It’s time to bring our boys home.


15 posted on 08/19/2012 9:31:43 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

Now is not the time to leave.

The Afghan security forces are a mess and Obama wants us to leave in 2014.

Way too early.


16 posted on 08/19/2012 9:32:13 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Wow, give SecDef Panetta the General Obvious Award for this statement. By the way, Mr. Secretary, when is your boss, the Muslim-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama, going to be FULLY vetted? Answer that one, Leon.
17 posted on 08/19/2012 9:32:13 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: moonshot925

Incredibly easy to say from your keyboard. Go over there, run the stupid missions while risking life and limb, potentially get killed by the police and military forces you’re training, THEN tell me about how cowardly and humiliating it is.

Screw those people.


18 posted on 08/19/2012 9:33:18 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: moonshot925

And just what and how does Mr. Communist want them vetted?


19 posted on 08/19/2012 9:33:33 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: moonshot925

The Afghan Security Forces will always be a mess. They have no loyalty to the Central Govt. The Pashtuns hate the Uzbeks, the Uzbeks hate the Tajiks......... The place is an ethnic and tribal mess. Why should we give a damn about a population that doesn’t give a damn about itself as a whole?
There is nothing to be gained by remaining in that shithole any longer. You have failed to answer my question about what we gain by remaining.


20 posted on 08/19/2012 9:40:18 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: moonshot925
Now is not the time to leave.

I agree. The time to leave was years ago.

The U.S. has been actively involved in a military campaign in Afghanistan that has now dragged on longer than the U.S. Civil War and both World Wars -- combined.

Nobody even knows what the hell "victory" would even mean there. And since the most effective tactic to be used against Afghan forces who turn on U.S. soldiers is one that has already put one soldier in serious legal trouble (SSgt. Robert Bales), there's no justification for keeping any of these military personnel in harm's way over there.

21 posted on 08/19/2012 9:41:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: moonshot925
Leon "Stroke of the pen" Panetta the current Secretary of Defense and the one who 'outed' Dr. Shakil Afridi for his part in helping intelligence locate OBL. That good man is now in jail and put there by the flapping lips of Panetta, Obama, Clinton, and others who should have known better. For a nation the screams with abhorrence at the mere thought of 'water boarding' a prisoner, they threw Dr. Shakil Afridi to the worst of the worst for torture AND still giving AID through agencies like USAID to Pakistan. Another huge embarrassment for America.
22 posted on 08/19/2012 9:41:27 AM PDT by yoe (Vote for your Country, not a political party. or personal issues.)
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To: moonshot925

I hope we decamp tomorrow.

There isn’t a thing there worth another soldier or marine’s life.


23 posted on 08/19/2012 9:43:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: moonshot925
Gee leon, what ever made you come up with that brainstorm idea? Did going up against a dug in fanatic guerrilla force engaged in a sapper war for close to three decades in some of the most inhospitable territory known to man seem like a win-win situation to you? You can't bomb them back to the 9th century, because they already live there; you can't break their will or reason with them, because you can't convince fanatics; and can't isolate them because they're already isolated from the world in virtually all aspects. The only way you could keep them contained is just that; seal off the country from the rest of the world, and. Let them burn themselves out.
24 posted on 08/19/2012 9:46:28 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: sean327; Alberta's Child

We are still fighting the Taliban you know.

They are the enemy who hosted, sheltered and funded al-Qaeda.

If we leave now the Taliban could take over Afghanistan and give sanctuary to more terrorists.


25 posted on 08/19/2012 9:49:03 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: FreedomPoster

Karzai is Afghanistan’s version of someone once known as ‘Diem”. What did the US do with him?
We have played footsie long enough. Remove our troops to a location 100 miles out from any villages, and completely from Kabul. Let the JDAMS clear the territories, including all the infrastructures that we had built, in one night, at one time, so uncle Kabob cannot call nephew Hishsneesh. Then we depart the country.


26 posted on 08/19/2012 9:50:57 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Future Snake Eater; FreedomPoster; sean327; Alberta's Child

Look what happened when we left Vietnam in 1973.

The communists controlled the entire country 2 years later.

Millions of South Vietnamese were imprisoned, arrested, tortured, executed or sent to re-education camps by the communists.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 9:54:05 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925; All
We are still fighting the Taliban you know.

I guess you didn't get the memo...

White House Stands by Biden Statement That Taliban Isn't U.S. Enemy

28 posted on 08/19/2012 9:55:06 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: moonshot925
"If we leave now the Taliban could take over Afghanistan and give sanctuary to more terrorists."

LOL! Good one! I almost thought you were serious.

29 posted on 08/19/2012 10:04:15 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: moonshot925
Leaving after ten years is not a humiliation.

Staying in that hellhole for ten years is in no way cowardice.

You need to wrap your mind around a little bit of reality.

Afghanistan isn't a country it's an outlaw land and it has been for at least fifteen centuries. Its borders only exist because it is what's left over where the borders of other countries end. Countries that aren't too civilized themselves. The only way to remove the outlaws from Afghanistan is to kill every living thing there. Is that what we're about? Then what? Five years after that it will be re-populated by outlaws from surrounding lands.

The question is; what is 'victory' in Afghanistan? You haven't answered that because you can't.

30 posted on 08/19/2012 10:05:20 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: moonshot925

Panetta is a POS coward, who’s address should be ClubFed for treason. He is wholly incompetent and guilty of felony buffoonery.


31 posted on 08/19/2012 10:05:42 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: moonshot925
You're kind of making my point. This country was bankrupt and out of its collective minds by the time our involvement in that stupid war ended, with 58,000+ American lives lost and nothing to show for it. Sound familiar?

If you want to avoid a repeat of that in Afghanistan, I'll propose two simple measures.

1. Give every Afghan adult a modern, state-of-the-art weapon and a massive pile of ammunition.

2. Let them sort it out.

If it takes any more than that for Afghans to protect themselves, then there's really nothing that anyone can do without turning that entire country into a massive U.S. Indian reservation.

If they can't figure this out themselves, then we're wasting our time, money and lives.

32 posted on 08/19/2012 10:10:15 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: moonshot925

You mean like we did in Viet Nam?


33 posted on 08/19/2012 10:12:08 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: moonshot925
Except it's not Vietnam. These people don't care about freedom or much of anything else other than immediate family and Islam. We send units across many miles of terrain, over undeveloped roads (there's only one paved road in the entire country--the Soviets paved it) to get to villages since they're so spread out. The units go there, talk to the locals, get nothing helpful from them, try to do the whole "win hearts and minds" thing, then get blown up on their way back. Our people are killed and maimed. What was accomplished there? How is America better or safer by making a trip to a village, dropping some food, and talking to locals, then losing lives of our service members? The Taliban and AQ in general make a LOT of money off of opium. Why don't we burn the poppy fields? Why don't we starve them out? Why don't we actually fight them? Do you really think Romney will be any more decisive against the Taliban forces than Bush? He can't do much worse than Obama, but I doubt he'll be much better. Pakistan is a real threat, and we're going to ignore them since they're our "friends." Our forces are getting robbed blind as their equipment traverses Afghanistan into Pakistan and vice versa. This war is vastly more costly than most people know. The waste of lives and equipment is staggering, but so few people care because they equate it to some kind of schoolyard bully syndrome.

If we were to actually fight, sure, let's stay. But we have no intention of fighting, and conditions are getting much worse over there. The people know what's going on and they're going to side with the Taliban.

All we're doing now is sending men and women into a meat grinder for solely prideful purposes.

34 posted on 08/19/2012 10:12:49 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: moonshot925
Then irradiate the entire place from 30,000+ feet. That'll solve the problem.

No more Taliban. No more Afghanistan, either. No more threat to the U.S.

If this situation is as dire as you seem to think it is, then it is f#%&ing treason for the U.S. government to carry out this mission the way it has. And if it's not that dire, then there's no reason to be there.

It's no coincidence that the U.S. stopped winning wars when we stopped trying to win wars.

35 posted on 08/19/2012 10:13:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: moonshot925

They are as stone age savage and backwards as the day we went in. If we are there for a violent war mission, fine. But not 5 more years, or 5 more minutes to push the insane notion that they will ever be a free society. It isn’t worth a single life to do anything for those Afghans.
They are not my concern as a people beyond their military capability.

And the farce of our soldiers walking by opium fields under strict orders not to damage them, us giving them attack aircraft, us pretending that that they are ‘people’ in the same manner that we are is insane.

The only way we should be there is a absolute rulers, with no pretext of an Afghan government. Islam should be forbidden and eradicated. There is no other way to build a society there.


36 posted on 08/19/2012 10:18:13 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s why we should have stayed in Vietnam until the enemy was defeated.

Instead of running like cowards and letting millions die.

We were on the verge of victory anyway.


37 posted on 08/19/2012 10:27:49 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

In the end, it is not the troops who decide the outcome, it is the politicians.


38 posted on 08/19/2012 10:33:06 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: moonshot925

Omg, it would be humiliating. Then is your plan to stay there forever? Surely you don’t think they will ever be a society that reflects anything we would want. You cannot think they will not become a radical Islamic tribal state the minute we depart. We have already been there three times longer than we were in WWII, and are no closer to the goal.

Nation building there as long as Islam is permitted would be like trying the postwar occupation of Nazi Germany, but allowing the Nazi party to exist. Instead of murdering our very best kids with insane ROE that are pushed by our flag rank cowards, those kids should be here, having families, and being our neighbors, working with us, being teachers, cops, construction workers, and oil men.

We are wasting our best, for ungrateful people that are really more of a form of wildlife. We might as well try to teach dogs arithmetic.


39 posted on 08/19/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: moonshot925
Look what happened when we left Vietnam in 1973. The communists controlled the entire country 2 years later.

There was and is no internal struggle for control of Afghanistan so that analogy fails completely.

Millions of South Vietnamese were imprisoned, arrested, tortured, executed or sent to re-education camps by the communists.

That won't happen because there is no internal struggle for control of Afghanistan.

40 posted on 08/19/2012 10:35:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: moonshot925
Hey, Leon,

YOU vet the DNC Presidential Candidates.

Then we'll talk.

Cheers!

41 posted on 08/19/2012 10:38:25 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: moonshot925
Once the Vietnam War became politicized it was effectively over ... and the U.S. lost. Hell, it was politicized before the U.S. even got involved in it -- because Congress never declared war and it was carried out as a never-ending "police action" under some very questionable legal circumstances. Sound familiar?

I contend that no U.S. soldier should ever be put in harm's way in a foreign land without the full legal and political support of his government. That's what a declaration of war is all about. If anyone thinks that makes me unpatriotic, then I'd question their understanding of what patriotism even means.

42 posted on 08/19/2012 10:48:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

After Operation Linebacker II in December 1972, the North Vietnamese sued for peace which lead to the Paris Peace Accords in January 1973 and the cease fire.

There was peace in Vietnam but it only lasted until our troops had withdrawn. Then the communists renewed offensive operations and took Saigon.

The fatal mistake we made was pulling out our troops too early.


43 posted on 08/19/2012 11:07:31 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: bigheadfred

Simple: Bring them home or unleash the hounds of hell. This PC crap is getting our fine military troops killed. What in hell is in Afghanistan asset wise that keeps us there. The Taliban are there to stay and as long as Islam is both religion and political power and a tribal mindset with no desire to change, IMHO, nothing is going to change. The Islamists have only one goal...to kill all infidels.


44 posted on 08/19/2012 11:23:22 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: moonshot925; Conservative4Ever; Alberta's Child

Right. Linebacker II.

Bomb the F ghani’s long and hard. Bomb them at day. At night. In the fields. In their hovels.

Then for kicks stage koran burnings or other blasphemies to get them to group up and hit them with the Napalm.

Decimate them.


45 posted on 08/19/2012 12:55:34 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: moonshot925

You are not going to change anyone’s character by vetting them.Instead recruit people who lost the lives of relatives to the insurgents or who’ve been in conflict with the Taliban.

People with personal reasons to fight versus people who make good recruits would be intelligent.Hiring from tribes that have the most to lose if the Taliban win,would also be a good idea but since that is politically incorrect......

Also slightly 10 years after an invasion is kind of late in the game to be planning this.Clarifying what we’re doing here,would be nice otherwise just leave this hellhole to destroy itself.


46 posted on 08/19/2012 6:50:18 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

By Telegraph Reporters

11:30AM BST 20 Aug 2012

The BBC Three documentary series, Our War, will return to British screens from tonight.

The first programme uses footage captured on helmet cameras of front line troops to show scenes of war in astonishing detail.

According to the public broadcaster, the self-shot stories “explore the different ways in which a decade of conflict in Afghanistan has affected young people”.

A BBC spokesman said: “Many of the videos have been shot by young people, from their perspectives, in their own words.

“Whether it’s young soldiers fighting on the front line, the families of serving troops back home, or Afghans living in a war torn country. ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9487172/BBC-to-broadcast-soldiers-being-fatally-wounded-in-Afghanistan.html


47 posted on 08/20/2012 8:06:25 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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