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Christian Pakistani girl arrested for 'blasphemy'
BBC ^ | Sunday, August 19, 2012 | BBC

Posted on 08/19/2012 10:48:41 AM PDT by Jyotishi

An 11-year-old Christian girl has been arrested after being accused of desecrating pages of a book containing Islamic text.

She was detained for blasphemy after an angry mob demanded her arrest and threatened to burn down Christian homes outside of the capital, Islamabad, Pakistani media say.

The girl is known to have learning difficulties, officials say.

Police have taken her parents into protective custody following threats.

According to Dawn newspaper, police said the girl had been unable to answer questions properly during the interrogation.

Dr Paul Bhatti, Pakistan's minister for National Harmony, told the BBC that the girl was known to have a mental disorder and that it seemed "unlikely she purposefully desecrated the Koran".

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antichristian; blasphemy; caliphate; christian; deathcult; islam; islamicnazism; islamicsocialism; islamofascism; jihad; koran; muslim; pakistan; pockiston; reincarnation; religionofdeath; religionofhate; religionofmurder; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; ummah
"Religion of Peace" at work.
1 posted on 08/19/2012 10:48:48 AM PDT by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi

Islam is for the Ignorant and the Evil - no one else can tolerate its stench.


2 posted on 08/19/2012 10:58:25 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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To: Jyotishi

It is long past time to Nuke Mecca and Medina.


3 posted on 08/19/2012 11:03:49 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Jyotishi
Most Pakistani moslems continue to believe in reincarnation and they think of mental retardation or brain damage as punishment for having been a sinner in your previous life.

They are very unsympathetic toward the handicapped and will murder them if they get a chance.

Although there are some civilized modern Pakistanis, the greater part of their country is made up of primitive savages who put superstition first before reason or law.

4 posted on 08/19/2012 11:10:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jyotishi

How can you desecrate a “holy” book?


5 posted on 08/19/2012 11:10:48 AM PDT by sagar
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To: P-Marlowe
It is long past time to Nuke Mecca and Medina.

That should have been the first two strikes after 9/11.
6 posted on 08/19/2012 11:11:32 AM PDT by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: Jyotishi

The Religion of Peace hacking a young christian girl sure proves something to me. It is not the Religion of Peace!


7 posted on 08/19/2012 11:17:40 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: muawiyah

How can they believe in reincarnation when that’s a Hindu belief rather than Muslim?


8 posted on 08/19/2012 11:20:35 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Way back when in the hadiths various followers of Mohammed describe taking trips to Heaven (which seems to be quite near at hand under the right circumstances) to meet Jesus and the prophets.

Yup, sho'nuf, that was enough to maintain Pak interest in reincarnation and transmigration of souls.

9 posted on 08/19/2012 11:24:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That does not follow. Only a fraction of Muslims in Pakistan are Sufi (the ones that actively believe in reincarnation and that believe that Sura 2:28 supports the notion); 70 percent are Sunni and 20 percent are Shi’ite.


10 posted on 08/19/2012 11:31:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Sure it follows. You have a very large and quite primitive population in virtually every state, and within the villages and small towns, and the slums.

The dislike of the handicapped is universal.

11 posted on 08/19/2012 11:39:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai

A Muslim is a Muslim to me.

let God sort them out.


12 posted on 08/19/2012 11:52:19 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: muawiyah

So there’s no documented evidence of this assertion.


13 posted on 08/19/2012 11:59:26 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

You must not know very many Paks ~ and it’s common gossip among Saudis and Yemenis.


14 posted on 08/19/2012 12:05:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jyotishi

rayers going up for this little girl.


15 posted on 08/19/2012 12:12:23 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: muawiyah

I shouldn’t have to rely on anecdotal evidence.


16 posted on 08/19/2012 12:13:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I live around thousands of these guys ~ have for the last 35 years ~ and you?


17 posted on 08/19/2012 12:20:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jyotishi

This is a ‘civil culture’? Sounds more to me like a theocratic mobocracy based on a 7th century model. Gee, such a great visual, a mob after a mentally challenged 11 year old girl. How many mullahs does it take to whip up such a mob? Very few and far too many!


18 posted on 08/19/2012 12:20:53 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: Jyotishi

Muslims are so tolerant!


19 posted on 08/19/2012 12:27:53 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: muawiyah

> Way back when in the hadiths various followers of
> Mohammed describe taking trips to Heaven (which seems to
> be quite near at hand under the right circumstances) to
> meet Jesus and the prophets.
>
> Yup, sho’nuf, that was enough to maintain Pak interest in
> reincarnation and transmigration of souls.

Reincarnation in Christianity and Judaism

The Old Testament actually ends with a prophecy announcing the reincarnation of Elijah. (Malachi 4:5)

According to the Gospels, Jesus himself stated that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 11:10-11, 13-14)

However, the Baptist denied being Elijah. (John: 1-21)

There are descriptions in New Testament of the conjectures of various people, including Herod, as to whose soul Jesus might represent reincarnation of. (Matthew14:1-2, 16:13-14; Mark 6:14-16; Luke 9:7-9)

In John 9’s account of Jesus’s healing of a man born blind, the disciples ask Jesus if the man was BORN BLIND DUE TO HIS OWN SINS or those of his parents. Clearly, if a man is born blind due to his own sins, those must have been committed in a previous life.

And so on...

“Christianity” as we know it was initiated by Paul, who did not know Jesus during his life and seemed to have no interest in his teachings; in his vision, Jesus’s role was simply to have died. (Please note that Jesus was not a shy man and if he intended to “save” humanity by dying, he did not mention this spiritual plan.)

The new religion was formalized five centuries later by the Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in AD 533. In spirit as well as deeds-—accumulating property, assembling for worship with great public fanfare, sending armies for conquest, maintaining torture chambers-—it came to represent Roman Empire far more than Jesus. Indeed, soon enough it shifted its headquarters to Rome rather than Jerusalem, Bethlehem, or some such place. The word “father”, which always meant God to Jesus, now came to mean the Pope. However I digress...

It was this Council which formally declared reincarnation to be a heretical concept and it remains banned even today. However, they were unable to entirely erase a centuries- and milenia-old tradition so deeply rooted, so a few traces remain in the Gospels.

- Anil Trivedi

Also:

Judaism is said to have a belief in three types of reincarnation: 1. the soul reincarnates after dead; 2. the essence of the parent in “reincarnated” in the offspring via sperm/ova.

The following books give a good exposition on the topic:

UW Libraries Catalog

Author: Head, Joseph.

Title: Reincarnation in world thought;

Pub. Info.: New York, Causeway Books; published by arrangement with The Julian Press, New York, c1967.

Author: Christie-Murray, David.

Title: Reincarnation : ancient beliefs and modern evidence

Pub. Info.: Newton Abbot : David and Charles, c1981.

Title: Reincarnation, a new horizon in science, religion and society / [compiled by] Sylvia Cranston and Carey Williams.

Pub. Info.: New York, N.Y. : Julian Press, 1984.

- Anshuman Pandey


20 posted on 08/19/2012 12:29:42 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi
...minister for National Harmony...

Closely aligned with the Department of Silly Walks.

FMCDH(BITS)

21 posted on 08/19/2012 12:31:13 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: popdonnelly

> Muslims are so tolerant!
> (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)

Obama enables those (that is, Muslims) who want to spread their Islamic Sharia law throughout the US. Sharia especially terrorizes women and children. Obama must be voted out.


22 posted on 08/19/2012 12:34:15 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi
Thanks ~ people imagine that religious authorities have formalized all the reincarnation beliefs, or banned them, and succeeded at doing just that.

Actually, they never did get around to formalizing all of them pro or con, and banning didn't work ~ although in some places folks imagine banning did work.

When Arab and Persian Islamic armies invaded India ~ they opened the doors for all sorts of modifications of Islamic belief. People in Pakistan still know what castes their families were, and even what their family names might be ~ in local languages.

Islam is a thin patina in many places, and probably thinner than Islamic authorities would like you to believe.

23 posted on 08/19/2012 12:44:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I said I shouldn’t have to rely on anecdotal evidence. I should see a significant number of web documents stating that a significant number of Pakistani Sunnis (at least) believe in reincarnation.


24 posted on 08/19/2012 12:47:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jyotishi
Jesus himself stated that John the Baptist was Elijah.

Please, this is reincarnation? Nice try. Jesus was referring to Malachi and the prophet that was to be a forerunner to Christ "in the spirit and power of Elijah" Luke 1:17.

Clearly, if a man is born blind due to his own sins, those must have been committed in a previous life.

Clearly you are reaching for a reincarnation proof. No, he still has the original sin from Adam, but as Jesus says: 3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. 4 I[a] must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

25 posted on 08/19/2012 12:53:38 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

> ...Jesus was referring to...

Anecdotal evidence is okay as proof then? Good.


26 posted on 08/19/2012 1:36:17 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi
Thought this posting was about the travesty per this child; instead; it is an argument/debate as to where - or 'where not'; 'reinarnation' fits into Muslim belief.

Whatever the hell they believe; this 'evil'; freaking; absolute ignorance of these believers; is a planetary scourge. We worry about every deadly virus in the 'chute'; and yet; ignore this.

27 posted on 08/19/2012 6:23:55 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Olog-hai
I shouldn’t have to rely on anecdotal evidence

Why don't you 'google'? On your own, yet. . .

28 posted on 08/19/2012 6:26:05 PM PDT by cricket
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Islam is a war plan.


29 posted on 08/19/2012 6:27:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: cricket

I did and I’m still looking.


30 posted on 08/19/2012 6:38:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jyotishi
Anecdotal evidence is okay as proof then

Better than non-contexual proof.

31 posted on 08/19/2012 7:41:51 PM PDT by xone
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To: Olog-hai

(’Technically; they do not’; but who knows what lurks in the ‘minds of men’.) That said; reincarnation - or not - does not alter the horrific circumstance of this child; or help her family to deal with it; nor does it help any and all; who are so threatened by this darkest of vile ignorance; that passes itself off as a wisdom.


32 posted on 08/19/2012 8:17:46 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Jyotishi
Oh yes; and this 'kindness'. . .

Police have taken her parents into protective custody following threats.

According to Pamela Geller; they are 'missing'. As for 'protective custody'; that simply leaves a 'cold chill' - or should.

33 posted on 08/19/2012 9:21:53 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Misplaced Texan

B-b-b-b-b-but the war would have ended so soon, and without regard for hearing out the other side!

What, are you a WWII-er?

How 20th century of you!


34 posted on 08/19/2012 10:00:51 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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Arrest of Pak girl on blasphemy charges deeply disturbing: US

PTI
The Pioneer
Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Washington: The US today called the arrest of a young Pakistani girl on blasphemy charges “deeply disturbing” and praised President Asif Ali Zardari for coming out against it.

“This case is obviously deeply disturbing, the arrest of a young Pakistani girl on blasphemy charges,” State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland told reporters at her daily news conference.

“President Zardari, to his credit, went out very quickly. So conceivably, we’ve been welcoming of that move in Islamabad, as well,” Nuland said appreciative of the move of the Pak president.

“Zardari has now asked the Interior Ministry to look into the arrest and has underscored that vulnerable populations have to be protected from misuse of the blasphemy law,” she said.

“We would call on the Pakistanis to have that investigation in a transparent way. And we think that the president’s statement is very welcome, and we urge the government of Pakistan to protect not just its religious minority citizens but also women and girls,” Nuland said.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/home/online-channel/top-story/88820-arrest-of-pak-girl-on-blasphemy-charges-deeply-disturbing-us.html


35 posted on 08/21/2012 11:01:57 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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