Skip to comments.Bill banning parents from trying to 'cure' gay kids moves forward
Posted on 08/19/2012 1:44:18 PM PDT by South40
A new bill thats the first of its kind has opinion hotly divided in California, this time over whether parents can be banned from trying to cure their gay children. Senate Bill 1172, which would prohibit all sexual orientation change efforts for minors, is through the legislature and slated to land on the governor's desk in September.
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This is outrageous. It would effectively prevent children marked for seduction by their teacher, coach or other ratfink pervert from being raised Christian.
Unbelievable. The world is collapsing around them and the left only wants to focus on protecting a small percentage of perverts.
What about families who think taking their kids to church is part of a process to straighten out their kid...so to speak?
So a family is going to be prohibited from taking their minor child to church?
The next move if they get away with this one is to put up a barbed wire fence around the state to keep people from leaving.
Wow, now we cannot discipline our children at all for anything.
“No, honey, you are not wrong for getting screwed in the a$$ by your local bureaucrate, and they are never wrong either as incompetent twats. You must learn like Obama to screw anyone and be screwed by anyone, up t’il murder, it feels good so long you got the upper hand in the end just like in Islam”
This is just like the child support and domestic violence Bull crap.
Yep, they did this with the LDS people who were not charged with anything but were under orders to stay put.
Your family court is showing its face, folkes.
Ever wonder why they always ask you if you are a citizen when you are a citizen, or whether you are a terrorist at the TSA. You got that right. They are playing stupid with this.
It’s the whole “foreskin issue” of our new government retards. They get crazy about circumcision, even if it means destroying the whole aparatus.
The perversion and corruption of the emotion of “humane” is unbelievable.
So instead of circumcizing and calling it good and going on all happy, instead they worship the foreskin and destroy the rest.
I know several gay people. The one thing they all have in common is a long history of abuse and people enabling their mental illnesses.
1. All gay people have abuse in their history.
2. All gay people self-medicate with alcohol, cigarettes and hard drugs.
3. Most gay people have legitimate gender disorders where they hate their own body parts. Lesbian women will shop in the men’s section for everything down to underwear and shoes even though those clothes don’t fit their bodies and an identical in style clothing exists feet away in the women’s section.
I believe ALL gay people need treatment for their disorders. NOT to make the straight or conform to social norms. Rather gay people need treatment in order for them to heal and love themselves as the gender they were born with.
Yet another reason to move out of the “Golden Turkey” state.
Any physician who practices the treatment of SSAD will have to move his or her practice out of the state. Will California medical schools no longer teach the treatment of SSAD as part of the curriculum? Will medical texts have to be re-written to meet California law?
I don’t know what makes me angrier, the fanatical perverts or the people who think that the homosexual agenda doesn’t affect them. What more do they have to see before they wake up, gays have become spoiled by all of their enablers including those who pride themselves of being “tolerant” of gays or those who have some relative or knows someone who is homosexual so that is supposed to make it all okay.
So let me get this straight. Physically mutilating a child to look like the other sex is OK but treating the child’s mental illness is not.
Thank God I don’t live in californistan
“Yet another reason to move out of the Golden Turkey state.”
But it might set a precedent for all the states, especially with the American Psychological Association backing it.
I have a friend who went through years of therapy because she convinced herself that she was 5 foot 10 ... Sounds nutty on it’s face, but she went so far as to have a contractor move all her kitchen cabinets up higher to accommodate her “ height” ... She was really 4 foot nine and in a series of abusive relationships - her coping mechanism? Seeing herself as tall and in control. The brain is an astonishing thing...
Conservatives have to reach out to California Hispanics, Asians and Blacks on this issue. I am sure that many of these people are not being educated about this considering the garbage that passes for information in the media these days. There has to be an outreach to their churches and to Asian places of worship such as Buddhist temples, I am sure that they do not want their children corrupted and violated.
I have a friend who went through years of therapy because she convinced herself that she was 5 foot 10 ... Sounds nutty on it’s face, but she went so far as to have a contractor move all her kitchen cabinets up higher to accommodate her “ height” ...she also had a closet full of ‘tall’ clothing. She was really 4 foot nine and in a series of abusive relationships - her coping mechanism? Seeing herself as tall and in control. The brain is an astonishing thing.
Parents can try to keep thier kids from becoming Gay...but what usually happens is the kids become teens and say goodbye to Mom and Pop forever. I would be against any violence that would try to change a kids sexual orientation as well as confinement. You can scare em with facts but when they turn 17 don’t be too surprised when they take off and you never see them again.
Government is trying to tell parents they cannot teach their kids morality....and some here on FR are screaming bloody murder over whether one of our candidates was told by doctors how likely it is that a rape victim becomes pregnant.
So where is the bill to prevent people from trying to convince your straight kid from turning gay?
That's it in a nutshell.
The state is wresting parental rights from parents in an effort to push acceptance of the perverted lifestyle of a scant few.
I am puzzled, a group comprised of less than 2% of the population, that has made a poor choice resulting in an average thirty years loss of life span, that can not reproduce so has to recruit, insists on dictating to 98% of the population how that 98% should conduct their lives. Good luck with that. NOT!
The life spans of homosexuals is much shorter than that of the population as a whole. The last I saw was thirty years shorter both male and female. With aids some what under control that will have changed some but I have not seen anything on that yet. Numerous studies/surveys have found that homosexuals most certainly do not exceed 2% of the population of this nation. Now homosexuals have every freedom that any other citizen has in this nation. What they seem to want is hyper rights that overwhelm the rights of non homosexuals. They want to inflict their sexual habits on children as young as six years of age. They want to teach the “joys” of anal sex and fisting to Jr high students. They want to fondle each other in public. They want the age of consent lowered to twelve. And each of the last four sentences constitute recruiting.
This legislation constitutes recruiting. This legislation clearly shows there is no minimum intelligence required to be a politician.
Hmmm...the way that reads one could put forth the argument that gay propaganda, gay education and other such nonsense IS an attempt to change the sexual orientation of heterosexual children.
but its okay to put 8 year olds on sex change hormones, its okay to give condoms to 11 year olds, its okay to propagandize straight kids into the gay lifestyle... and its okay for kids to be sent to nude camps where parents are not allowed *wink wink*
It could be used that way if one inclines. I haven’t read the bill, but if the rest is as generic as that line, it could be used to prevent any sort of gender identity discussions in schools, gay or straight.
It could backfire on the intent of those who wrote it.
Must detract the masses from the upcoming financial collapse and subsequent subjugation.
I pity the poor people who knew what to expect under Jerry Brown, but were stuck there, with no other place to go.
The same thing happened on the national level when Obama was elected. Many people knew what was coming down the pike under an Obama presidency, and their fears have become reality. And if he has his way, the entire nation will soon resemble California (and will eventually slide down the economic pit until it is “transformed” into a giant version of North Korea).
I think I saw 10 years ago some CDC statistics that puts the median age of mortality for gay men at around 44 years old. What was interesting Actually sad & tragic!) was it was not significantly different from that of gay men with AIDS.
Yes. It is to finish the “God is Dead” movement started in the 1800’s overtly.
They need to remove God’s Standard of Right and Wrong-—to replace it with Tom, Dick’s or Barney’s==so they can have arbitrary laws (unjust laws) and destroy our Constitution and eliminate all freedoms—and Natural Rights.
Culture will determine the worldview of your children. THEY control the culture-—but they need to get rid of those pesky parents who don’t allow their children to absorb the homosexual culture of Bareback Mt. and Glee morality peddled in all MSM. Some people are smart and do not allow their children to be exposed to ideas that destroy their reality of Right and Wrong.
Virtue is learned-—it is Knowledge. Vice is ignorance (Socrates) and the schools have destroyed knowledge and now they can peddle absurd ideas like Sodomy is ‘Good” and “genetic”. It is learned, like all behavior-—including the love of raping babies. ANYONE-—who thinks this is NOT LEARNED is STUPID beyond belief. Behaviors are learned and habituated. Children not liking their bodies——is TAUGHT to them by people around them. THINK about it. You either affirm their femaleness and love them or you ridicule them for their femaleness. And all males need a male role model who loves them and models mature behavior (not immature, abnormal homosexuality which is taught to Afghani boys who grow up sodomizing boys.) Learned concepts-—what a “novel” idea!!!
First, they have to destroy Logic and Reason and Virtue in children by teaching them the unnatural is “good” , which literally inverts our Christian Ethics system and Reason-—based on Natural Law Theory—foundation of our Constitution.
It is the Worldview of Christianity which got rid of the rampant homosexuality and pederasty that permeated Greek and Roman culture. They want the boys again-—it is the Sandusky base urge-—that immature non-control of base instincts that infect homosexuals. It is why they are so immature and promiscuous and hate God—for their Design of their body. It is a sign of extreme self-hatred learned in childhood. It should be put back on the APA as a mental illness—because it is. A fixation on adolescence.
I agree with you. I have a much younger trans gender cousin who started life as a female and now exists as Lord only knows what on “her” way to becoming a man (if someone told me 20 years ago that I would type that sentence...just saying) Anyhow. Her parents are divorced. Mom married a convict that she met online and her dad wanted nothing to do with her once he met his third wife.
This kid was an honors student who just wanted attention from people who were supposed to give it to her. When she went on this tear in pursuit of mutilation of her body, all she had to do was drive 1200 miles and hand over a few thousand dollars in order to have her breasts removed. The fact that therapy was not REQUIRED prior to this mutilation is crazy. That some might want to ban it entirely is just beyond insane. I know that gay and transgender are different. But seriously, once you start down this slippery slope it is really just splitting hairs.
The backyard “wedding” was a sham-solemn event with an MCC “pastor,” full of platitudes and wrested scripture. This I knew from having attended a private Baptist school for several years in my youth. It was brief enough, though, and then on to the drunken revelry.
I'll add at this point that they regarded themselves as both being “straight” because of this hormonal and surgical alteration to one of the pair. It was mindboggling to me at the time, and still is.
To make a long story short, the party went on to the wee hours and I stumbled upon the still-entirely-female of the pair on a trip to the bathroom. She was in there with another lesbian, in a very compromising position and in a flagrant state of undress. Beyond that I won't describe. On her “wedding” night. In their house.
I never got over the hypocrisy and the dishonesty of that. I actually pitied the other of the pair at that point. Such a lie they were living. What was the point?
It's all a lie, they don't want to do anything but force other people to regard them as normal. They particularly want to force churches to marry them and to stop calling their behavior sin.
How do you quantify a statement like that?
Who keeps records of kids that turn away from homosexuality?
The Democrats need that homosexual cash.
This can be very profitable for Arizona. Just across the border they can have rehab facilities for homosexual children, along with farms to make foie gras, Indian reservation cigarettes at a fraction of the California price, as well as “non-green” gasoline for a few dollars less per gallon.
And while you’re there, you can get some target practice in on the shooting range, buy a crate of disposable plastic grocery bags, get some Happy Meals with toys for the kids, and get a stack of novelty bumper stickers to put on liberals cars.
i guess the term “choice” is only about one thing
Just 1% in our nation is equal to the population of Iowa or that of Alaska, Wyoming, Washington D.C., North Dakota and Vermont all together.
If you reached 3%, that population fits between the 10th and 11th most populous states, or approximately that of New Jersey and nearly North Carolina.
Your statement that homosexuals do not reproduce is biologically false: they are not sterile although I suspect you wish they were. Many have had children the old fashioned way. Never mind; you believe in "recruitment."
You obviously believe in a myth that, until someone intervenes, all children are heterosexual and none comes into adolescence to discover he or she doesn't fit neatly into the "boy like girls" and "girls like boys" world you've taught them. You teach a lie. You leave them confused, afraid. They hide. They become vulnerable targets to those wanting to reach them with "the truth" which may not be Truth but, rather, savvy social-political enlistment that pigeon holes them into an intolerant "gay community" commanding rejection of family, embrace of liberal progressivism, rejects Faith values and trades celibacy for hedonism.
You totally ignore the larger "99%" heterosexual culture also suffers this seduction because you're hyper-focused on raging at a few homosexual trees all while ignoring the forest.
Congregation after congregation fails to provide a life path for homosexuals (even those who don't "practice") and children facing their own orientation issues at puberty. We see the "God Hates Fags" Westboro Baptist crazies with whom you might identify based on your statements. We see other, like the Catholics, who preach disinterested friendship and calling homosexuals to chastity. There's those, like some on this thread, who believe in unproven "reparative" or "conversion" therapies but, when put to the test, wouldn't want their daughter marrying an "ex-gay" or their granddaughter parented by an "ex-lesbian" nor would they take on such a relationship themselves. Some others take on the Left's permissive attitude in spite of their holy writ.
In that light, it's no surprise the Left is so successful with the young. Some of those loudest claiming to be on the Right are obsessed, bumbling and befuddled, full of anger, blind rage and accusations but no solutions, no alternatives. There's a failure of leadership. The believed they've been lied to, or worse, and the Left feeds that thought process to hook more future voters for their agenda.
They get them at the perfect time in a human life cycle too. It's puberty, when they're hormonal, they desire independence from their parents, to go their own way, make their marks on the world, to no longer be controlled by arbitrary authority.
If the bill prevents quacks from getting rich by offering false hope and exacerbating the internal conflict within young lives, it's doing everyone a service. There's no medical science in the 'cure' column. 'Cure' snake-oil fads preying on the faithful are shown to be, at best, ineffectual coping systems.
You managed to read a lot into what little I wrote. When I said they do not reproduce they do not at a replacement rate, therefore they must recruit.
You are wrong on so much......but thats your problem not mine...... good night.
You may be right. Giving parents a choice on how they want to raise their children is apparently unacceptable.
She is not on her way to becoming anything other than a mentally ill, surgically mutilated female. It must be frustrating as hell to watch this young woman destroy herself.
That's it in a nutshell. Their homosexual behavior produces guilt. Guilt is an uncomfortable feeling. Rather than address the actionable cause that's producing their own guilt, they insist that the world around them bare the burden of their sin by demanding acceptance of their perverted behavior as "normal". In other words, they can't seem to change themselves, so they demand that everyone around them change. They foolishly theorize that if they can convince everyone in the world around them to regard them as normal, then they shant have anymore burdensome problems with those pesky shame and guilt creepies fluttering around.
Shown by whom?
I don’t what “young people” you are talking about, but the young people I know are not in the gay movement at all.
They think homos should stop bothering people with their seuxal problems. No one cares what they do with their butts in their own homes. They don’t want to be bothered with it. They think it’s stupid.
When gay sex activists try to impose their problem on society and try to socially and legally engineer their problem at the center of childhood homo education (aka sexual grooming)and society, that has to be rejected. Then you are named a hater by those leftist ignoramouses who think they very important sexually toughie people standing on the high moral ground in a town called Sodom.
I love the idiots who compare re-organizing marriage around their sexual pleasure to the racial civil rights movement. We need to arrange society around drug addicts and all the rest of the minorities (misfits) too. Too bad.
Churches don’t have to affirm homosexual behavior any more than they have to affirm stealing, wife cheating, or drug addiction. Christians should not hate the people but they must not join the idiots who name the sin good so that the sinner feels good about himself while he basically kills himself. Religious freedom gives the homos the right to start their own sodomy centered religion. They can celebrate the short lifespan and the many diseases their god has created for them. They can screw in the bathrooms, too.
You have obviously swallowed the doctrinaire "victim" narrative in toto.
What is often missed in this controversy is society absolutely CAN NOT allow a "behavior" to be accorded the same status and protection as a civil right.
Doing so would absolutely negate the concept of responsible "citizen" and relegate people to the status of cattle.
If people can not control their behavior, they have no basis by which to demand self-governance in the political sense.
I hope so. Don't want that mentality affecting Colorado or Texas any more than it already has.