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Feds propose 1,200 sq. miles for jaguar habitat in S. AZz (and more in NM)
Tucson Sentinel ^ | Aug 17, 2012 | Dylan Smith

Posted on 08/19/2012 2:42:25 PM PDT by CedarDave

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is proposing that 838,000 acres near the U.S.-Mexico border be designated as critical habitat for jaguars. While a small section of the proposed zone is in New Mexico, most of the land is in Southern Arizona, including the area of the proposed Rosemont Mine.

The move was hailed by the environmental group that has long worked for jaguar protection.

"Jaguars once roamed across the United States, from California to Louisiana, but have been virtually extinct here since the 1950s," said Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Tucson-based Center for Biological Diversity, which sued to push a recovery plan for jaguars.

The agency is set to publish its findings in the Federal Register on Monday, said spokesman Jeff Humphrey, which will trigger a 60-day public comment period.

The proposed critical habitat—outlined in a 126-page document—will help protect the jaguar, which was declared an endangered species in 1997, from extinction, Humphrey said.

While there have only been "a handful of jaguars seen (in Southern Arizona) in 50 years ... they are elusive cats," Humphrey said. There have been three confirmed jaguar sightings in the last five years, he said.

Jaguar habit extends through Mexico into Central and South America.

(Excerpt) Read more at tucsonsentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: bigcats; biologicaldiversity; cats; endangeredspecies; jaguar; kiernsuckling; kittyping; landgrab; wildlife
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This is a left-leaning street newspaper but it has more info than the standard AP release and local news.

Included in the proposal:
343,033 acres in the Santa Rita, Patagonia and Huachuca mountains and the Canelo Hills
143,578 acres in the Tumacacori, Atascosa and Pajarito mountains
138,975 acres in the Baboquivari Mountains
105,498 acres in the Whetstone Mountains, including connections to the Santa Rita and Huachuca Mountains
99,559 acres in the Peloncillo Mountains, Ariz. and N.M.
7,590 acres in the San Luis Mountains, N.M.

Below is a link to the Federal Register notice:

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/documents/doc/081712_jaguar_doc/

The practical effect of the designation will be to lock up federal lands not already locked up as a result of wilderness designation, national park/monument or other critical habitats.

1 posted on 08/19/2012 2:42:31 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

On the bright side, hungry Jaguars may discourage illegal alien invaders.


2 posted on 08/19/2012 2:46:54 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CedarDave

Too much Central Socialist Government! Too many bureaucrats with nothing to do. Where’s Congress on this stupidity?


3 posted on 08/19/2012 2:47:44 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: CedarDave

Jaguars would be able to follow their natural food source as Mexicans cross into AZ.


4 posted on 08/19/2012 2:47:58 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: CedarDave
Kierán Suckling

I wonder, does getting a name like that constitute grounds to sue one's parents for damages?

5 posted on 08/19/2012 2:48:25 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: CedarDave

The jack rabbits will be glad to hear about this.


6 posted on 08/19/2012 2:49:57 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: CedarDave

Another leftist payback to red conservative states.

Clinton did this just before he left and tied up a ton of federal lands.

Leftist hate knows no bounds.


7 posted on 08/19/2012 2:50:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: CedarDave

Just another Leftist land grab. They’re baggin’ every acre they can before they get thrown out.

Curious why the claim that we can’t undo what has been done?


8 posted on 08/19/2012 2:50:17 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: CedarDave

Yep, nothing but black panthers now.


9 posted on 08/19/2012 2:51:08 PM PDT by Errant
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To: 3Fingas

The Open Borders crowd will be screaming!


10 posted on 08/19/2012 2:51:46 PM PDT by BobNative
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To: BobNative

Hungry Jaguars often have that effect.


11 posted on 08/19/2012 2:53:25 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

Living in the proposed area since 1993, there has been NO jaguar impact on either illegals or drug smugglers. This is just another try to ‘lock up’ productive land and enable the feds to further restrict former rights enjoyed by landowners. Any such critter found around here will experience SS&S.


12 posted on 08/19/2012 2:54:31 PM PDT by ammomajor (If 'helicopter Ben' says gold isn't money, I want more of it.)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

Suckling is always trying to get at the government teat. His group is fighting ranchers over wolf reintroduction and wants endangered species designation for other critters.

However, Jaguars likely will have a rough go of it in the US, with or without designation of a critical habitat — other predators are already living in the area (mountain lions, bobcats, bears, etc.) and they will have to compete for food (unless someone is stupid enough to let their little chihuahua out of their camper to relieve itself). And some poachers might think they’d make a great trophy.


13 posted on 08/19/2012 2:55:43 PM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: CedarDave

In some ways, this would be far more effective than a stationary chain-link fence.

All kidding aside, the Federal and State governments already control far too much of our land without doing anything productive with it.


14 posted on 08/19/2012 2:56:35 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CedarDave

I wonder if it has anything to do with this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920443/posts

Will Tombstone be included in that jaguar habitat???


15 posted on 08/19/2012 2:59:05 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: CedarDave
Well if they put up signs saying this is a Jaguar Sanctuary, I am sure the drug smugglers and UDAs will no longer bother to steal them. I do understand that the quality has improved since TATA took over.

However closing off that copper mine is a little worry some. My guess is that is the real reason for the “Jaguar Sanctuary”

16 posted on 08/19/2012 3:00:55 PM PDT by Tupelo (Sara Palin.............my write in vote for 2012)
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To: IbJensen
Where’s Congress on this stupidity?

Enjoying their perks. They are immune from the laws and regs imposed on the corrupt proletariat.

17 posted on 08/19/2012 3:01:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Punch a rat.)
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To: CedarDave

“... said Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Tucson-based Center for Biological Diversity”

Affirmative action for jaguars?


18 posted on 08/19/2012 3:03:04 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: CedarDave

Sounds like another federal land grab to me.


19 posted on 08/19/2012 3:06:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough of the freaks running the show yet?)
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To: ammomajor

This is the excuse they found to stop the Rosemont mine, IMO. If they say no, show pictures of pretty big cats.


20 posted on 08/19/2012 3:06:14 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Not now, Not ever!

Kierán Suckling is a POS who’s sole purpose in life is to file lawsuits. He used to live near me. That being said, a number of years ago the wildlife biologists literally studied a jaguar to death. Granted it was an older cat, but they tranquilized it one too many times.

This is nothing more than Agenda 21 and trying to implement Dave Foreman’s wildlife corridor/island dream. Humans do not play a part in said dream as we are to be kept out unless you are ‘special’, that is, a libtard wildlife biologist.


21 posted on 08/19/2012 3:08:34 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: 3Fingas

That would definitely be a plus. But I was wondering whether Jaguars and our native Cougars coexist well? For instance, in Africa the Lions have decimated the Cheetah population down to danger levels. With the Left’s record of screwing things up, I would view this plan with considerable skepticism....unless it’s GUARANTEED to hold down the wetback population.


22 posted on 08/19/2012 3:10:53 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Jacquerie

This kind of crap is going on all over the country.


23 posted on 08/19/2012 3:13:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CedarDave

Some one must some day ask why?


24 posted on 08/19/2012 3:16:50 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Tucker39
unless it’s GUARANTEED to hold down the wetback population.

If anything you'll end up with more illegals. The cats will learn to avoid high traffic areas.
25 posted on 08/19/2012 3:18:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Uncle Chip

I think I read something in the 126 page document that this area will not require additional protection as it already is a wilderness area. Someone with more time maybe can find the reference.


26 posted on 08/19/2012 3:19:21 PM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: CedarDave

What good would it do? Northern Mexico doesn’t protect these animals and any land set aside in the US will become “Hllrgal Habitat”. Make the Enviro Nazis clean up after the illegl invaders.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 3:19:25 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrats: Ticket of Dope and Chains.)
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To: hadaclueonce

let us spend 100 trillion dollars to find the DNA for a Dodo bird and clone it!

We are idiots.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 3:20:52 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: tbw2

What and where is the Rosemont mine.


29 posted on 08/19/2012 3:21:38 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Sounds like another federal land grab to me.

Exactly. Reported that there have only been three confirmed jaguar sightings in the last five years. Apparently their thinking is to declare 1,200 square miles as habitat because they are so rare and there might be some more out there to be found.

30 posted on 08/19/2012 3:25:58 PM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: CedarDave
My recollection is that the only evidence of jaguars in the U.S. are two photos taken of jaguars crossing the border at night by automatic cameras.

From this, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife projects a range of 1,200 sq. miles?

My guess is that, were it not for a Rosemont Mine, this proposal would never have seen the light of day.

Shutting down the mine -- and a future economic activity in this area -- is, of course, the objective. The current administration will approve the action. It will be up to the next administration to remove the absurdity.

31 posted on 08/19/2012 3:27:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: hadaclueonce
let us spend 100 trillion dollars to find the DNA for a Dodo bird and clone it!

Not a bad idea.

Apparently they were mighty good eatin'...

32 posted on 08/19/2012 3:28:03 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1308 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: 3Fingas

Could you imagine the press, if this were the Fish and Wildlife Commission under G.W. making such a proposal?

RACIST - RACIST - RACIST would be what you would be hearing.


33 posted on 08/19/2012 3:29:44 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: 3Fingas
All kidding aside, the Federal and State governments already control far too much of our land without doing anything productive with it.

Agreed, and it ain't all out west. This map isn't high enough resolution to show the growing web of greenways and properties under the control of various land trusts.

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Our "republican" governor just announced that they were buying 2000 acres right on the edge of my little town. Its part of $70 million in state and federal funds to buy land and other projects.
34 posted on 08/19/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Tucker39

That’s a good point you make about what’s the effect of artificially introducing or increasing a species population in a specified area.

Of course, I was just being flip about the Jaguars and their potential role in deterring illegal immigration. This proposal has another purpose entirely and smells of a liberal/corrupt business land grab as others have alluded.

I do think most people who come here illegally just want a better life; but we, as a sovereign nation, have the right to control who comes in and who stays out. This is one of the most important functions of the Federal Government and it does this job very poorly. Instead the Federal Goverment, and to a lesser extent many of the State governments, do corrupt stuff like land grabs using Imminent Domain or by declaring them parks or endangered habitats. These officials must be reminded that there are consequences at the ballot box and must be forced to do the right thing.


35 posted on 08/19/2012 3:39:13 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CedarDave

I agree Dave, although I do think it’s pretty cool that we actually have el tigre in the state.


36 posted on 08/19/2012 3:42:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: null and void

Do not tell Obammy, he will be for it!


37 posted on 08/19/2012 3:42:21 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: 3Fingas

Spelling error:

Eminent Domain....ibtsn...in before the spelling nazis....:-)


38 posted on 08/19/2012 3:46:19 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: hadaclueonce

Agenda 21 playing out. Pure and simple.


39 posted on 08/19/2012 3:47:40 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: CedarDave

WOW. You know, T-REX once roamed far and wide across this land. Perhaps we should use recombinant DNA and clone a few and let them go. If they eat folks oh well, At least we saved T-REX.


40 posted on 08/19/2012 3:49:45 PM PDT by timlilje
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41 posted on 08/19/2012 3:51:31 PM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: cripplecreek

In San Diego County, it was some teeny-tiny mouse or something that lived in the desert .. and the environmental whackos had a fit because some people wanted to build apt units out there - and start a small community with hotels, shops, etc.

The ubber-liberal judges in this county kept stuff from being built.

It’s actually all about this “Sustaining” movement. How the Communists, Marxists and Socialists are going to move people back to the cities; all the people who moved out to the suberbs.


42 posted on 08/19/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: timlilje
South West Jurassic Park for the win!
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43 posted on 08/19/2012 3:53:19 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CedarDave; Tijeras_Slim

Old ladies with liver spots ?

BTTT !


44 posted on 08/19/2012 3:57:04 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: CedarDave

Wait.

Help me, here. Jaguars/black panthers are indigenous to the US of A and other NA countries. Am I correct?

If so, why is this “news?” Indigenous animals have more rights to the “borderlands” than anyone/thing else. So where do I have to go to help the kittehs regain their habitat?

*sheesh*

Illegals have really Effed Up the wildlife. Calling an illegal runner of more illegals will never EVER be a coyote.

Wish I could be a “fly on the wall” of the border...with the latest technology...


45 posted on 08/19/2012 4:12:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Dogs + stress = If you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and waIlk away.)
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To: CedarDave
I'm partial to my old '63 roadster:


46 posted on 08/19/2012 4:15:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: CedarDave; Slings and Arrows

Kittyping


47 posted on 08/19/2012 4:16:41 PM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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To: 3Fingas
On the bright side, hungry Jaguars may discourage illegal alien invaders.

The less pleasant possibility is that drug gangs along the border will wipe out the jaguars for their skins. I think it's a good idea, though - one of the few times I'll ever say that about any environmentalist scheme. As long as these areas are far removed from any human habitation and there is no real possibility that any jaguars can make their way to human-populated areas, anything that can be done to help keep these animals from extinction has my vote.
48 posted on 08/19/2012 4:19:07 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: CedarDave

The state of Arizona needs a counter proposal that the feds give back all state lands they have taken, excepting military and Indian reservations.

The federal government currently controls 42% of land in the state. That is too damned much, and the federals do not have the constitutional authority for such takings.

Not content to taking huge tracts of land, about 20-30 years ago, the federals decided to cherry pick and take the best spots for tourists to visit as well. Previously free, the feds put up gates and required pay parking, and charge entrance fees.

Not theirs!


49 posted on 08/19/2012 4:24:37 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: CedarDave
Kierán Suckling

Well...my gaydar just pegged to the max!!!!

50 posted on 08/19/2012 4:30:00 PM PDT by Osage Orange ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.")
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