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Egyptian Anti-Aircraft Missiles Reported in Sinai
israelnationalnews.com ^ | 8/20/2012 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 08/20/2012 1:43:43 AM PDT by Bobalu

According to a report on Voice of Israel government-sponsored radio, Egypt has moved anti-aircraft missiles into the Sinai Peninsula.

The radio station's Arab affairs analyst, Eran Zinger, reported Saturday that Egypt has deployed both anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles near Israel’s border in the Egyptian Sinai, without Israel’s permission.

Such equipment is prohibited in Sinai by the Egypt-Israel peace treaty. “Egypt is trying to change the situation in Sinai,” Zinger said.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egypt; israel; morsi; sinai
Oh $hit! The terrorists in Sinai have no aircraft, thus these are meant for Israeli planes. :-(
1 posted on 08/20/2012 1:43:59 AM PDT by Bobalu
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To: Bobalu

Quick,somebody,write a stern letter!


2 posted on 08/20/2012 2:04:09 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Bobalu; Admin Moderator

this should be put in breaking news!


3 posted on 08/20/2012 2:06:31 AM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: Bobalu

The most perilous moment in the early life of the 3rd Reich came when Hitler ordered the reoccupation of the Rhineland in contravention of the Treaty of Versailles. It was March 1936 and the French Army was the largest and most powerful in Europe. The leadership of the still rearming and expanding Wermacht knew it was still too weak to resist the French if they reacted militarily. But neither the French nor the other WW1 allies reacted militarily and the Nazis knew that they faced what were, for a time, toothless tigers. The West had become flaccid in its love of peace and would soon learn the price of coddling even a weak dictator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remilitarization_of_the_Rhineland

I don’t generally like historical parallels, but it does seem that Israel faces a similar situation with Egypt. Unfortunately, the UN is moribund, Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, and the United States, under the leadership of President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton, is no lover of Israel’s security or freedom.

The question for Israel is this: Can it afford the wait needed to work the problem in the Security Council or should it act now knowing that military action in the Sinai would probably provide Morsi with the excuse needed to abrogate the peace treaty. If it is war, can or should Israel limit itself to just the Sinai or even just Egypt in the scope of its military operations??


4 posted on 08/20/2012 2:23:25 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined Effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: Captain Rhino
This is a probing act, a test, just like Hitler. The Egyptian economy is dead and apparently Morsi wants dead Egyptians all over again, circa 1967 and 1973.
The Egyptians have been accumulating the know-how and hardware from the US since 1978 JUST FOR THIS FINAL END. First strategic parity with Israel (which they still, do not have) then launch a war against a smaller Israel again.
It just goes to prove that any agreement signed with Arabs is not worth the paper it is signed on. The more equipment they bring into Sinai, the easier it is to detect then destroy. If things get really bad, Israel can always take out the Aswan High Dam...
5 posted on 08/20/2012 2:39:37 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Bobalu
Great! The Jews won't have to burn as much aviation fuel to destroy them.
6 posted on 08/20/2012 2:51:31 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Not voting for Ryan? Obama love you long time.")
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To: Happy Rain

Indirect fire! Target practice!


7 posted on 08/20/2012 3:08:43 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: Netz

“signed with Arabs”

Signed with Muslims should be the phrase. Egyptians are not arabs.


8 posted on 08/20/2012 3:23:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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To: mdmathis6
OK, Egyptians and Iranians are not Arabs but they look and behave like them. The region is often referred to as the Arab world. There is still an Arab-Israeli conflict not just an Israeli-Palestinan conflict. That term came into vogue during the Oslo so-called Peace Process...
9 posted on 08/20/2012 4:12:23 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Captain Rhino

no lover?
indeed. Obama, Clinton, and the DNC have
enabled and encouraged crucifixions of Christians in Egypt,
and plan the extermination of Israel.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 4:19:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."- Mark Twain)
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To: Netz

It’s the Muslim religion and how it is taught and practised in that part of the world. The Muslim religion is not merely a religion but the underpinnings of a longed for transcendent world superstate. It is a politico-religious movement with teeth that uses even lying (TAQQAIYAH) to achieve its ends, when military conditions will not prevail(temporarily). Thus the similarities in behaviours and outlook between the differing races. They share the same one world government outlook, the Muslim World Caliphate which they see as superseding the United Nations as well as being united in their Jew and Christian hatred.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 4:25:06 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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To: Netz
The Egyptians have been accumulating the know-how and hardware from the US since 1978 JUST FOR THIS FINAL END.

The islamists threw much of the know-how away when they overthrew the Mubarak government. I think now they may be making the classic arab mistake of equating advanced hardware with the knowledge of how to use it.

12 posted on 08/20/2012 4:29:33 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
"The Egyptians have been accumulating the know-how and hardware from the US...."

Egypt (like her Arab brothers) have abysmal maintenance practices - tanks, planes, missle systems - just having them is a far cry from maintaining them in a readiness condition.

13 posted on 08/20/2012 4:34:10 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: mdmathis6

Agreed, good analysis!


14 posted on 08/20/2012 4:47:06 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: RaceBannon

Wasn’t even in News/Current Events. Put it in that and Breaking. Hopefully it stays there.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 4:49:12 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Bobalu

Isn’t it just great to have a US President that watches out for the safety of our friend Israel, rather than someone of my muslim faith?


16 posted on 08/20/2012 4:57:08 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Psalm 73
True but they have tons and tons of weaponry, many of it first rate. The new Muslim Brotherhood Generals have been waiting for 34 years to get their hands on this American stuff. Thank you once again, shortsighted US foreign policy...
17 posted on 08/20/2012 5:03:53 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Bobalu
It would seem these batteries are intended to at least track, if not fire upon any Israeli aircraft going East. Morsi is meeting with Ahmadinejad in Tehran on the 30th.

Morsi has historically held the 1979 treaty in contempt. Iran has become increasingly bellicose, calling for Israel's destruction multiple times over the past week.

Somehow, I doubt they're going to be discussing the weather.

18 posted on 08/20/2012 5:10:59 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Bobalu

Looks like Egypt is gonna get their AZeS whooped again!
1967 1973 2012?


19 posted on 08/20/2012 5:13:46 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: C210N

That’s the reason, of course that Israel’s enemies are so bold. I think one of the reasons Israel hasn’t already attacked Iran is because any first strike will strengthen the resolve of Israel’s enemies. Many Iranians and others don’t agree with their leaders about Israel, but if Israel attacks and kills some of them, that will change. It’s never good to have all the Turks, Persians,and Egyptians in the world wanting to kill you if they are your neighbor.And, by the US not offering any support, Russia appears more likely to help Iran. These are not Israel’s best times,for sure.


20 posted on 08/20/2012 5:23:52 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: Quickgun
by the US not offering any support

Even if the schmuck, as president, had visited... even ONCE, there would be a somewhat different atmosphere in the area. You'd think that the marxist would try to balance things at least on the surface, after a MAD DASH to Egypt in his first few weeks in office with an Israel visit SOMETIME in 3 1/2 years, but no... true "Islamic Prayer Sweetest in the World" schmuck to the core.

21 posted on 08/20/2012 5:48:37 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Bobalu

Remember those are AMERICAN anti-aircraft weapons, the most advanced kind, given to Egypt by Obama over Congressional and Israeli objections.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 6:19:17 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Captain Rhino
knowing that military action in the Sinai would probably provide Morsi with the excuse needed to abrogate the peace treaty.

seems the peace treaty is a dead letter already...

Isreal simply needs to highlight the document and declare to egypt to 'move em or lose em' and act accordingly...

23 posted on 08/20/2012 6:23:18 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Netz
If things get really bad, Israel can always take out the Aswan High Dam...

That would kill more than 20 million people.

24 posted on 08/20/2012 6:25:32 AM PDT by montag813
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To: edpc
It would seem these batteries are intended to at least track, if not fire upon any Israeli aircraft going East. Morsi is meeting with Ahmadinejad in Tehran on the 30th.

Von Ribbentrop went to Moscow on Aug 23, 1939 to sign the German-Soviet Non-Aggression pact. The Nazis invaded Poland 9 days later.

25 posted on 08/20/2012 6:29:13 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

(hence the “If things get really bad,” qualifier...)


26 posted on 08/20/2012 6:39:27 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Bobalu
Whatever happened to the MFO?
27 posted on 08/20/2012 7:43:51 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Teacher317
(hence the “If things get really bad,” qualifier...)

Theoretically, up to 80 million people could be killed, as 97% of Egyptians live within a region that would be flooded with between 8 and 11 feet of water within 1-2 hours.

28 posted on 08/20/2012 9:34:12 AM PDT by montag813
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To: C210N

You are right about that, and with NO support from our pres, Russia, who likes Iranian oil a LOT, is more apt to be involved.Don’t know where they would draw the line, but they have enough rusty cold war junk around to cover Israel three layers deep, and never miss it off inventory. Or, worse case, if Israel bombs Iranian facilities, and kills some Russkie scientists and destroys stuff that Russia thinks is theirs,Russia might give Iran a couple of nukes. Probably be hard to tell where they came from after they’ve been used.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 9:40:11 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: montag813

“Theoretically, up to 80 million people could be killed, as 97% of Egyptians live within a region that would be flooded with between 8 and 11 feet of water within 1-2 hours.”

Then it would behoove Egypt not to start a war with Israel. Pharoah’s army’s bath in the Red Sea would be insignificant compared to this.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 10:29:28 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: RaceBannon

War to come soon—Only question of when—My bet—before November election. Egypt knows there White House Friend will do nothing if Egypt attacks. The Israel of today isn’t the Israel of 1968 or 1972. they Egyptians will roll right over Gaza and into the south of Israel like a knife into butter. the IAF is the only thing to delay them. the war will cerement the Brotherhood in power—unite the Egyptians with a few victories until —— Cairo glows and Egypt is occupied by the Jews. i think it will be early October 2012—and last til November 5th. Just my estimate. What do you think?


31 posted on 08/20/2012 10:42:36 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: montag813

“That would kill more than 20 million people. “

we call that “a start”.

Oh, better we should let the islamic scum fihish what the nazis started?

Muck fislam.


32 posted on 08/20/2012 11:27:58 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Psalm 73

A lot of the Egyptian hardware looks bad but it’s not the same as ours. For instance they have about 700 Abrams tanks. But they have a license to manufacture their own so what they have is mostly “homemade” and that in turn means they don’t have the neat stuff like, oh, say shoot-on-the-run capability. their whole bleeping army is like that and most of them have forgotten how they got their clocks cleaned in 1967 when they quit patrols for morning coffee.-———————and remember this: The leadership in Egypt has been an inbred bunch since the pharoah’s started banging each other. And this time they don’t have Syria and Jordan to split the Israeli forces should they decide to repeat “stupid”.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 1:14:42 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: montag813

Your math is about right and another reason for the Egypts to be a little humble and polite with exposure like that. 90% of the population lives in the flood zone. But again, we’re talking about a bunch of inbred Pharoah’s who are probably not capable of rational thought.


34 posted on 08/20/2012 1:25:50 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1
"...they have about 700 Abrams tanks."

And I read an article a while back about those tanks - written by a US Army armor maintenance instructor - most are in deplorable condition and certainly not battle-ready, but they can look nice on parade....

35 posted on 08/20/2012 1:32:22 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I think it will be short and vulgar, high death content, and it will bring about the signing of the 7 year treaty with the anti-Christ...

but that war that leads to that must come!


36 posted on 08/20/2012 3:52:36 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: Captain Rhino
Watched about an hour of the new movie Conquest 1453 last night. About the conquest of Constantinople. Done by a Turkish company so the movie is slanted towards Islam. The movie however was very well done. Hope to watch the rest soon. It is 2 1/2 hours. Very similar situation to today. They have been trying to remove Israel for years, just like they tried over and over again to conquer Constantinople. Eventually they succeeded and what helped them bring that about, is very interesting and somewhat similar to current times regarding Israel. The more things change, the more Muslims refuse to change.

Conquest 1453

Conquest 1453 Official Trailer

37 posted on 08/20/2012 5:21:03 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Gilbo_3
Isreal simply needs to highlight the document and declare to egypt to 'move em or lose em' and act accordingly...

Doing that requires Israel going to the United Nations and having the various permanent and rotating members of the Security Council discuss, propose, investigate, report, proclaim, denounce, etc. in what amounts to the diplomatic equivalent of "Rope-a-Dope." In the meantime, the Egyptians would continue to move prohibited military arms and personnel into the Sinai...

Better to warn once now, immediately act decisively if the provocation/violation continues, and explain in the UN afterwards.

If they go this route, I just hope they will not talk themselves into taking half measures expecting to get some credit for showing restraint. Second only to a nuclear-armed Iran, the Egyptian Army - especially one that feels itself no longer constrained by the peace treaty - is an immediate existential threat to Israel. Israel should treat it accordingly.

38 posted on 08/20/2012 5:53:36 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined Effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: Captain Rhino
Better to warn once now, immediately act decisively if the provocation/violation continues, and explain in the UN afterwards.

thats what i meant Capt...

Israel calls a press conference, highlights the agreement to have the area demilitarized, then announces that the bombing will start in 24 hrs, or anytime thereafter at their choosing, and everything in the zone will be smoking rubble...

then DO IT !!!

39 posted on 08/20/2012 6:46:08 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Netz

I wonder if many Egyptians can swim..


40 posted on 08/20/2012 9:36:24 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: montag813
This is only to be used in a doomsday scenario. Nobody wants 20 million Egyptians to drown but if they threaten Israel with extinction, they're going to have to learn how to tread water without pita bread in hand...
41 posted on 08/20/2012 11:18:38 PM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Captain Rhino

Israel probably doesn’t want to open two fronts at once: Iran and Egypt. But may not have a choice.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 11:33:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Minutemen
Looks like Egypt is gonna get their AZeS whooped again!

It might not be so easy this time...mainly because Iran just might use such a situation as an excuse to jump in themselves in anticipation of an attack by Israel.

43 posted on 08/21/2012 4:03:11 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: Bobalu
As Shirley Bassey sang, "It's all just little bits of History repeating...."


45 posted on 08/21/2012 9:04:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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