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American civilians buy as many AK47s as the Russian military and police
Daily Mail ^ | 15 August 2012 | MICHAEL ZENNIE

Posted on 08/20/2012 5:50:50 AM PDT by moonshot925

American civilians are buying as many AK47s from Russia's top armory as the Russian military and police.

The surge in sales of Russian assault rifles and shotguns are fuelled by firearms enthusiasts who are paranoid about the weapons being banned in the United States.

The semiautomatic weapons, fitted with high-capacity magazines, are manufactured at Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant, Russia's primary small arms factory.

They are built alongside the fully-automatic military versions that are used by armies, militias and terrorists around the world.

In the United States, they have become immensely popular. Among hunters, recreational shooters and survivalists, they are known for being extremely reliable and relatively inexpensive -- and they fire powerful ammunition that is cheap and plentiful.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; ak47; akm; banglist; donttreadonme; kalashnikov; rifle; shallnotbeinfringed; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 08/20/2012 5:51:00 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

I haven’t bought one ...

(Father forgive me ... I have sinned. I’m slacking off on my rifle purchases ...)


2 posted on 08/20/2012 5:52:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: moonshot925

Got mine about 8 yrs ago. Now if I could just remember where I lost it.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 5:55:38 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: moonshot925

Because everyone in the Russian police has already got one.

We’re trying to catch up...

;-)


4 posted on 08/20/2012 5:56:02 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: moonshot925

I personally find the 7.62x39 a bit anemic against moose and black bear. Not a fan of the AK, I do have an SKS but thats it, I prefer the .308.


5 posted on 08/20/2012 5:57:44 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: moonshot925
They are built alongside the fully-automatic military versions that are used by armies, militias and terrorists around the world.

That makes them more dangerous, since they have associated with such a rough crowd.

6 posted on 08/20/2012 5:58:26 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: moonshot925

Bit of good news to start the day always warms the heart.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 08/20/2012 6:01:13 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: ArrogantBustard
FTA: The surge in sales of Russian assault rifles and shotguns are fuelled by firearms enthusiasts who are paranoid about the weapons being banned in the United States.

That may be true, but not in the way the author intends.

Paranoid: Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear (the part of the definition I think the author intends)

or

distrust of others.

Which is probably the correct definition to use.

The Kenyan must go.

8 posted on 08/20/2012 6:03:02 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Eye of Unk
As for me I prefer the AK 74 (5.45X39)

9 posted on 08/20/2012 6:03:18 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Eye of Unk

The advantage of the 7.62X39 is the ubiquity of the ammo.

For those concerned about ammo availability, _my opinion_ is that you should have something in these calibers:
.22
7.62X39
9mm
12 guage

There are others, I’m sure, and you could replace the 7.62 & 9mm with something else, but I think the .22 and 12 guage are pretty darn solid picks.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 6:07:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: moonshot925

We need them to keep over eagar gub mint types at bay.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 6:08:30 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: ex91B10

worried about a ban might be the “front” reason to buy them,
but deep underneath is the understanding, not “fear”, that the gov’t under the control of leftists WILL use force to make the citizenry comply and give up freedoms.

These weapons are fairly cheap and widely available, and that is what is driving their purchase.


12 posted on 08/20/2012 6:09:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: moonshot925

They’re not ak-47. mostly. An ak-47 is automatic. These are civilian “ak-47”. There is a difference.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 6:10:53 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: ArrogantBustard

All your guns are AK-47 (to us).


14 posted on 08/20/2012 6:12:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MrB

Most people don’t consider reloading the 12ga as they would a caliber case center fire, and nobody realistically considers reloading the case primer .22 so yes these two should be stockpiles as much as possible.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 6:12:29 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: moonshot925; marktwain; Joe Brower

16 posted on 08/20/2012 6:13:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eye of Unk

Sign me up for a Saiga 12 please!!


17 posted on 08/20/2012 6:14:34 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: MrB

Well the were cheap and I guess relative the market they still are, but I brought my AK 74 just 2 1/2 years ago since then the same weapon will now cost you easily double what I paid for it.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 6:14:59 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: MrB
There are others, I’m sure, and you could replace the 7.62 & 9mm with something else, but I think the .22 and 12 guage are pretty darn solid picks.

Agree on .22 and 12 gage and replace the others with 30-06 (or .308) and 45 ACP.

19 posted on 08/20/2012 6:16:50 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: Gaffer

20 posted on 08/20/2012 6:17:55 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Hardraade

That is true.

They do not distinguish between assault rifles like the AK, AKM, AK-74 and the semi-automatic rifles that are sold in the USA.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 6:18:36 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Gaffer

22 posted on 08/20/2012 6:18:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kartographer

Like the 74. Been thinking about purchasing a couple more to lose in the lake. Ammo real cheap too. Ladies can control these a whole lot better than the 47s.

Found some 154gr soft point 7.62 x 39 for my 47s that I lost. These were nice rounds and were savage on pigs and stuff.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 6:18:55 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: eartick; Kartographer; moonshot925
In the United States, they have become immensely popular. Among hunters, recreational shooters and survivalists, they are known for being extremely reliable and relatively inexpensive -- and they fire powerful ammunition that is cheap and plentiful.

All true. But

The rifle is relatively inaccurate and limited in range compared to other military style rifles.

Yes the ammo is cheap but loaded in steel cases which makes keeping your ammo stock dry especially critical. If you plan on reloading your ammo this rifle is likely not your first choice unless you plan on buying new brass from the start.

24 posted on 08/20/2012 6:30:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: moonshot925
Apples and oranges.

The idiots cannot even see the difference between the selective-fire AKs sold to government agancies and the semi-auto AKs being sold to civilians. The guns look alike to the untrained eye, but they are not similar in capability.

But the sheep will not notice.

25 posted on 08/20/2012 6:32:07 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: MrB

> you should have something in these calibers:
> .22
> 7.62X39
> 9mm
> 12 guage
>
> There are others, I’m sure

Revolver in .357 and a companion carbine. My personal preferences are S&W 686 or equivalent and the Winchester saddle-stock, lever-action carbine in .357 with enlarged ring lever for gloved hands.

Then buy lots of .38 spl +P JHP ammo for them. Less expensive and easier to find than .357, and just about as good.


26 posted on 08/20/2012 6:35:41 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: moonshot925
That is true. They do not distinguish between assault rifles like the AK, AKM, AK-74 and the semi-automatic rifles that are sold in the USA.

To the media, they are all "AK-47". I like to call the civilian gaggle of semi-automatic rifles "AK style" rifles. By convention, sellers call the rifles after the rifle they're patterned on, or from the donor kit, but they usually have their own model numbers.

For instance, the Hungarian AMD-65 is an AKM-based, short barrelled, select fire (selector has "safe", "auto", and "semi" settings) paratrooper assault rifle. The U.S. Army probably has a few in their museum, and if there are any legal civilian held ones in this country, it would only be a handful.

My "AMD-65" is actually a model "IAI-65". It looks like the original, but is longer barrelled to meet federal standards, and semi-auto only. Everyone still calls it an "AMD-65"

The media would call it an AK-47.

27 posted on 08/20/2012 6:49:12 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: moonshot925

The only “AK’s” coming into the USA from Russia are the Saigas made at Izmash or the VEPRS made at Molot.
Neither are true AK’s, but the VEPRs are fine rifles.


28 posted on 08/20/2012 6:53:00 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer

I had one of those and sold it. Great little gun but the Romanian version wasn’t the best quality. Lots of fun to shoot with minimal kick, but man are they loud!!


29 posted on 08/20/2012 6:55:38 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Kartographer

A fine choice, and currently the cheapest of the lot to feed.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 6:56:02 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Eye of Unk

You’re right.

I’ve never really thought of the 7.62x39 as a “powerful round.”

Like the 5.56, its basically designed to inflict lots of wounds. Don’t get me wrong, a lot have been killed by both the rounds, but the basic philosophy was that wounding the enemy took more people out of play than killing the enemy. That’s why both sides went for it.

I forgot were I read that, some obscure military publication produced by the army.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 7:01:21 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a Hate Crime. I just Hope they don't like it.)
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To: Eye of Unk

The AK-47 and SKS is battled proven, and the ammunition is world wide....these rifles will operate even in the most harsh
conditions....be wise not to throw off on these jewels.


32 posted on 08/20/2012 7:04:30 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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Saiga .308

VEPR .308


33 posted on 08/20/2012 7:11:57 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MrB
I'm not a big fan of the .357 mag, but I'd stick a .357 in the mix.

In fact I'd make it a stainless steel single action, probably a Ruger.

No fan of the Ruger new models, give me the old model, but they are virtually indestructible unless you try to load a round hot enough to stop a tank.

34 posted on 08/20/2012 7:17:20 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: drunknsage

Saiga 12 ga has cycling issues...stay with a good pump. And, yes, I am a Saiga owner (or was until the unfortunate canoe accident).


35 posted on 08/20/2012 7:31:18 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: moonshot925
I have two weapons from Izhevsk, neither of which are AK's.

But I still want to buy an AK, JUST BECAUSE Obamugabe said I shouldn't have one.

36 posted on 08/20/2012 7:34:19 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: Rinnwald

The AMD 65 is easily the ugliest variant ever produced.


37 posted on 08/20/2012 7:34:19 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: wtc911

Have you tried a new gas plug?


38 posted on 08/20/2012 7:35:54 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: backwoods-engineer
You mean Ogumby! Dammit!


39 posted on 08/20/2012 7:38:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

My Saiga is .223. I researched the 12 and saw that advice but I’m already covered vis a vis 12 ga. If the fix works go for it. I am a long time Saiga fan.


40 posted on 08/20/2012 7:38:47 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: moonshot925

Let’s get the name and description right! It’s a high powered Kalashnikov AK-47 Automatic Assault Rifle with a high capacity clip capable of firing bazillions of rounds a minute with a single pull of the trigger. Or you can call it a machine gun. Either way it has no legitimate use for duck hunting which “journalists” think is the only reason for the existence of the Second Amendment.


41 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:05 AM PDT by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: wtc911

I see they have the 5.45x39 now for under $375
Takes AK74 mags.
A bit pricey but still a good bargain on today’s market.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 7:41:54 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: moonshot925
The surge in sales of Russian assault rifles and shotguns are fuelled by firearms enthusiasts who are paranoid about the weapons being banned in the United States.

Paranoid?!
WTF?!
The left is already talking about ANOTHER BAN.M
It's not paranoia if the threat is real.
43 posted on 08/20/2012 7:44:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: wtc911

Funny thing...
Mine worked fine with the factory plug.
It got cycling troubles when I went to an after market plug.

Oh well, it was only a $20 mistake.


44 posted on 08/20/2012 7:46:58 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Good tip about the AK74 mags in the Saiga .223. I’ve had to go third party.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 7:52:49 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

AK74 mags in the 5.54x39


46 posted on 08/20/2012 7:55:32 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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5.45x39 doh!


47 posted on 08/20/2012 7:59:00 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife; refermech
I love my ‘Bulgy’. You are right its cheap to feed so I can shoot often. As far as accuracy well this is an old picture from my second outing with it, but this was at 50 yards with iron sites.

Also as noted easy to handle, my wife can handle it with no trouble, yet as the range instructer noted on one outing I was hitting the target and raising dust on the far back stop berm. ;-)
48 posted on 08/20/2012 8:01:44 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: FreedomOfExpression

***That makes them more dangerous, since they have associated with such a rough crowd. ***

When that travesty the 1968 Gun Control act was put into law it banned the import of Army Surplus 5 shot bolt action rifles because they were MILITARY! Police rifles, were OK to import as they were NOT military issue, even though they were the same rifle!


49 posted on 08/20/2012 8:02:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: mylife

$375 is a good price, the cheapest I heard of in a while.


50 posted on 08/20/2012 8:05:39 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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