Skip to comments.American civilians buy as many AK47s as the Russian military and police
Posted on 08/20/2012 5:50:50 AM PDT by moonshot925
American civilians are buying as many AK47s from Russia's top armory as the Russian military and police.
The surge in sales of Russian assault rifles and shotguns are fuelled by firearms enthusiasts who are paranoid about the weapons being banned in the United States.
The semiautomatic weapons, fitted with high-capacity magazines, are manufactured at Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant, Russia's primary small arms factory.
They are built alongside the fully-automatic military versions that are used by armies, militias and terrorists around the world.
In the United States, they have become immensely popular. Among hunters, recreational shooters and survivalists, they are known for being extremely reliable and relatively inexpensive -- and they fire powerful ammunition that is cheap and plentiful.
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I haven’t bought one ...
(Father forgive me ... I have sinned. I’m slacking off on my rifle purchases ...)
Got mine about 8 yrs ago. Now if I could just remember where I lost it.
Because everyone in the Russian police has already got one.
We’re trying to catch up...
I personally find the 7.62x39 a bit anemic against moose and black bear. Not a fan of the AK, I do have an SKS but thats it, I prefer the .308.
That makes them more dangerous, since they have associated with such a rough crowd.
Bit of good news to start the day always warms the heart.
That may be true, but not in the way the author intends.
Paranoid: Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear (the part of the definition I think the author intends)
distrust of others.
Which is probably the correct definition to use.
The advantage of the 7.62X39 is the ubiquity of the ammo.
For those concerned about ammo availability, _my opinion_ is that you should have something in these calibers:
There are others, I’m sure, and you could replace the 7.62 & 9mm with something else, but I think the .22 and 12 guage are pretty darn solid picks.
We need them to keep over eagar gub mint types at bay.
worried about a ban might be the “front” reason to buy them,
but deep underneath is the understanding, not “fear”, that the gov’t under the control of leftists WILL use force to make the citizenry comply and give up freedoms.
These weapons are fairly cheap and widely available, and that is what is driving their purchase.
They’re not ak-47. mostly. An ak-47 is automatic. These are civilian “ak-47”. There is a difference.
All your guns are AK-47 (to us).
Most people don’t consider reloading the 12ga as they would a caliber case center fire, and nobody realistically considers reloading the case primer .22 so yes these two should be stockpiles as much as possible.
Sign me up for a Saiga 12 please!!
Well the were cheap and I guess relative the market they still are, but I brought my AK 74 just 2 1/2 years ago since then the same weapon will now cost you easily double what I paid for it.
Agree on .22 and 12 gage and replace the others with 30-06 (or .308) and 45 ACP.
That is true.
They do not distinguish between assault rifles like the AK, AKM, AK-74 and the semi-automatic rifles that are sold in the USA.
Like the 74. Been thinking about purchasing a couple more to lose in the lake. Ammo real cheap too. Ladies can control these a whole lot better than the 47s.
Found some 154gr soft point 7.62 x 39 for my 47s that I lost. These were nice rounds and were savage on pigs and stuff.
All true. But
The rifle is relatively inaccurate and limited in range compared to other military style rifles.
Yes the ammo is cheap but loaded in steel cases which makes keeping your ammo stock dry especially critical. If you plan on reloading your ammo this rifle is likely not your first choice unless you plan on buying new brass from the start.
The idiots cannot even see the difference between the selective-fire AKs sold to government agancies and the semi-auto AKs being sold to civilians. The guns look alike to the untrained eye, but they are not similar in capability.
But the sheep will not notice.
> you should have something in these calibers:
> 12 guage
> There are others, Im sure
Revolver in .357 and a companion carbine. My personal preferences are S&W 686 or equivalent and the Winchester saddle-stock, lever-action carbine in .357 with enlarged ring lever for gloved hands.
Then buy lots of .38 spl +P JHP ammo for them. Less expensive and easier to find than .357, and just about as good.
To the media, they are all "AK-47". I like to call the civilian gaggle of semi-automatic rifles "AK style" rifles. By convention, sellers call the rifles after the rifle they're patterned on, or from the donor kit, but they usually have their own model numbers.
For instance, the Hungarian AMD-65 is an AKM-based, short barrelled, select fire (selector has "safe", "auto", and "semi" settings) paratrooper assault rifle. The U.S. Army probably has a few in their museum, and if there are any legal civilian held ones in this country, it would only be a handful.
My "AMD-65" is actually a model "IAI-65". It looks like the original, but is longer barrelled to meet federal standards, and semi-auto only. Everyone still calls it an "AMD-65"
The media would call it an AK-47.
The only “AK’s” coming into the USA from Russia are the Saigas made at Izmash or the VEPRS made at Molot.
Neither are true AK’s, but the VEPRs are fine rifles.
I had one of those and sold it. Great little gun but the Romanian version wasn’t the best quality. Lots of fun to shoot with minimal kick, but man are they loud!!
A fine choice, and currently the cheapest of the lot to feed.
I’ve never really thought of the 7.62x39 as a “powerful round.”
Like the 5.56, its basically designed to inflict lots of wounds. Don’t get me wrong, a lot have been killed by both the rounds, but the basic philosophy was that wounding the enemy took more people out of play than killing the enemy. That’s why both sides went for it.
I forgot were I read that, some obscure military publication produced by the army.
The AK-47 and SKS is battled proven, and the ammunition is world wide....these rifles will operate even in the most harsh
conditions....be wise not to throw off on these jewels.
In fact I'd make it a stainless steel single action, probably a Ruger.
No fan of the Ruger new models, give me the old model, but they are virtually indestructible unless you try to load a round hot enough to stop a tank.
Saiga 12 ga has cycling issues...stay with a good pump. And, yes, I am a Saiga owner (or was until the unfortunate canoe accident).
But I still want to buy an AK, JUST BECAUSE Obamugabe said I shouldn't have one.
The AMD 65 is easily the ugliest variant ever produced.
Have you tried a new gas plug?
My Saiga is .223. I researched the 12 and saw that advice but I’m already covered vis a vis 12 ga. If the fix works go for it. I am a long time Saiga fan.
Let’s get the name and description right! It’s a high powered Kalashnikov AK-47 Automatic Assault Rifle with a high capacity clip capable of firing bazillions of rounds a minute with a single pull of the trigger. Or you can call it a machine gun. Either way it has no legitimate use for duck hunting which “journalists” think is the only reason for the existence of the Second Amendment.
I see they have the 5.45x39 now for under $375
Takes AK74 mags.
A bit pricey but still a good bargain on today’s market.
Mine worked fine with the factory plug.
It got cycling troubles when I went to an after market plug.
Oh well, it was only a $20 mistake.
Good tip about the AK74 mags in the Saiga .223. I’ve had to go third party.
AK74 mags in the 5.54x39
***That makes them more dangerous, since they have associated with such a rough crowd. ***
When that travesty the 1968 Gun Control act was put into law it banned the import of Army Surplus 5 shot bolt action rifles because they were MILITARY! Police rifles, were OK to import as they were NOT military issue, even though they were the same rifle!
$375 is a good price, the cheapest I heard of in a while.