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Akin Tries To Explain “Legitimate Rape” Comment, Speak With KMOX’s Charlie Brennan (9:20 Central)
KMOX ^ | August 19, 2012

Posted on 08/20/2012 7:07:41 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

Missouri Congressman Todd Akin, a conservative Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate, sparked a furor and earned a rebuke from Mitt Romney’s campaign after saying in an interview broadcast Sunday that women’s bodies can prevent pregnancies in “a legitimate rape” and that conception is rare in such cases.

Akin, a six-term congressman running against incumbent Democrat Sen. Claire McCaskill, was asked in an interview on St. Louis television station KTVI if he would support abortions for women who have been raped.

“It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Akin said. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,” Akin said of a rape victim’s chances of becoming pregnant.

Rep. Akin will be a guest on the Charlie Brennan show at 9:20 am Monday to speak about his comments.

(Excerpt) Read more at stlouis.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: akin; akin4mccaskill; akingaffes; gaffes; legitimaterape; mccaskill; mo2012; rape; talkradio; toddakin
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1 posted on 08/20/2012 7:07:46 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Not as bad as Clayton Williams rape joke, but likely to end in the same result.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 7:10:03 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Brennan now saying Akin may not appear.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 7:11:50 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: thackney

But was it “Rape” rape?


4 posted on 08/20/2012 7:12:01 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Second Amendment First
Now we know why McCaskill ran all those ads saying Akin was the scariest right-wing extremist of all.
5 posted on 08/20/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Wow, talk about stupid... A sure fire win in the senate race is now in jepordy. Thanks man...


6 posted on 08/20/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: thackney
I just heard on Fox Business the GOP has 24 hours to replace him.

He should be replaced

7 posted on 08/20/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: massgopguy
But was it “Rape” rape?

Is that what he meant by "legitimate" rape?

He's done. Diarrhea of the mouth is a common politician ailment. However, extreme cases tend to be self-correcting.

8 posted on 08/20/2012 7:16:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Second Amendment First

Trying to justify an across-the-board abortion ban with a really ignorant, not to say stupid, argument.

The reason abortion should never be the answer is that in no case does the pre-born child have any say in the manner of his or her conception. That’s it. This guy set back the fight 50 years by his complete ignorance.


9 posted on 08/20/2012 7:16:51 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Second Amendment First

After he was caught in some crooked financial dealing, Democrats threw Torricelli out of his candidacy for Sen. from NJ at the last minute and put in Lautenberg, who remains in office to this sweet day.

Why can’t Republicans do the same in this case and put in Palin’s better choice that this nitwit? They need to do it today, or McCaskell will be Senator for the rest of her life.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 7:20:20 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Second Amendment First

The guy probably has a point, but the point is so Un-PC that it is not permitted to be spoken by the MSM. Feminists have long said that even reporting a rape is so traumatic that no woman would make a false rape claim. That was said by some for months of the Duke Rape Hoax.

But false rape claims are made and the term “date rape” was made up to try and claim “legitimate rape” in cases where both parties might have been intoxicated, or otherwise judgmentally impaired, so that “legitimate rape” could be claimed in very unclear circumstances (often after the fact, or regret realized after heads had cleared).

Pretty ham-handed of the candidate to walk into this obvious PC trap, and it will hurt him to some extent even though he had a legitimate, but highly Un-PC point.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 7:22:01 AM PDT by Will88
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To: scooby321

Does he have to willingly step down or can they force him out? I’m guessing he won’t go willingly.


12 posted on 08/20/2012 7:22:28 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: scooby321

I agree and why not? Dems got rid of Toricelli for Lautenburg .......and it worked!


13 posted on 08/20/2012 7:23:59 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Second Amendment First

He made two mistakes. First, “legitimate rape”. I’m assuming what he means is that it is a legitimate rape “claim” as opposed to a pregnant woman saying “I was raped” with no other specifics in order to get an abortion where it would otherwise be illegal. Regarding the “shuts down” comment, I’ve never heard that from a legitimate source.

Almost as bad as Biden with this one.


14 posted on 08/20/2012 7:24:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Second Amendment First; All
Anybody who speaks the truth in our society, and bucks political correctness, is going to be destroyed.

What saddens me are Republicans now attacking Akin for telling the truth.

For decades, feminists have been telling us:

1) All marriage is rape
2) When a woman has consensual sex on a date, it is really rape
3) When a man takes pleasure in any way from a woman, it is rape.

Those things ARE NOT RAPE. "Legitimate" rape is non-consensual forcible sexual exploitation of another, usually violent.

How else are we to speak about reality, as opposed to the wasted superlatives of political correctness? If everything is rape, then nothing is.

I say Akin did nothing wrong.

15 posted on 08/20/2012 7:25:33 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Is it like ‘rape-rape’?..........


17 posted on 08/20/2012 7:26:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: Will88
I feel similarly.

1) His statement was stupid
2) He should be replaced
3) His presence on the ticket hurts the GOP

Now, having said all that, I have to add that it seems to me he was actually making a valid point -- although being ridiculously clumsy about it.

The question put to him was an attempt to justify legal abortion -- after all, if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant (a Liberal would say) shouldn't we make sure that she could have an abortion??

Akin was trying to say that legalizing abortion on the pretext that millions of women are raped and impregnanted is just bad law-making. You don't use hard cases to design your laws.

Rape is bad, and pregnancies resulting from rape are very unfortunate. But I do not support abortion laws that take rape into consideration. Infanticide is always wrong. Killing the child of a criminal because of the father's crime is always wrong. I think Akin was trying to go in a sensible direction, but I think he expressed himself terribly. Now he will pay the price.

18 posted on 08/20/2012 7:28:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Will88

Get real. The guy doesn’t have a point.

Pregnancy is rare in cases of rape because DOCTORS handle the issue at the hospital if the woman comes in right after the rape by administering the morning-after pill, not because the body shuts down.

The pro-life movement is never going to win the argument in cases of rape with the American public, and this idiot set us back many years in our better arguments for banning abortions EXCEPT in cases of rape or incest


19 posted on 08/20/2012 7:28:29 AM PDT by cammie
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To: txrefugee; All
It depends on state law. Under MO law, there's less than 24 hours left to change who'll be on the ballot for the GOP.

They need to act fast. Akin is now a national disaster and has reignited the "Republican War on Woman" talking point.

KMOX's host says Akin is a "no show" with his schedule having changed in light of the controversy. We can only hope that means the Party's giving him his walking papers.

In the primary John Brunner was second and Sarah Steelman third in a tight race.

McCaskill ran ads that helped Akin. It's self evident why.

20 posted on 08/20/2012 7:29:00 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 77 days away.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Is he related to Biden? Went to the same ‘gaff’ classes?


21 posted on 08/20/2012 7:31:25 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: scooby321
I watched a couple of minutes of "Morning Joe" and they were obsessing over this. If Akin doesn't withdraw from the race there will be no end to this--it serves the Democrats' "war on women" meme perfectly.

Of course the same people yawned when Juanita Broaddrick went on TV to tell about being raped by Bill Clinton when he was Attorney General of Arkansas.

22 posted on 08/20/2012 7:32:04 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Second Amendment First

Listening to Charlie Brennan now. Those who are doctors and with medical knowledge have called in and agree with Todd Akin.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: cammie
Get real. The guy doesn’t have a point.

Yes, he does have a point. He made a damaging statement in two parts: talking about "legitimate rape" which would infuriate the MSM and the left in general, and talking about the idiotic notion that the body is less susceptible to pregnancy after a rape.

The first part is a valid point, and the second part is nonsense.

24 posted on 08/20/2012 7:33:57 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Second Amendment First

It is unfortunate, but he has made himself unelectable.

Before you jump all over me, I’m not saying that having every feminazi-influenced idiot voting is a good way to select Senators (or anything else), but we have to work with what we’ve got.

McCaskill is a disaster, and is easily beatable - except by Akin.

Get the hook.


25 posted on 08/20/2012 7:35:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Will88

Can the Missouri GOP unilaterally decide to dump him from the ticket, or is the only option for him to resign?


26 posted on 08/20/2012 7:35:34 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: Will88
Dear Will:

I was one of the people who cried foul on the Duke rape case, because the whole story stank to high heaven. That being said, there are cases where women, particularly young women, are too traumatized to open up their mouths about rape until the evidence is undeniable.

It happened to someone very close to me. Over 20 years later, she still has annual battles with depression for about a month around the anniversary of the attack.

Still sorry I didn't put a bullet in the bastard's head.

27 posted on 08/20/2012 7:36:09 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: thackney

As if no one knows what legitimate rape means. It means women claim rape and know damn well they were a willing partner. It is not that hard to understand.


28 posted on 08/20/2012 7:37:51 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Second Amendment First

To bad this guy’s not a Democrat. Then, he’d just get sent to Delaware for a few days.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 7:39:03 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Rape and incest" account for 1/10th of 1% of abortions according to Planned Parenthood-allied Guttmacher Institute.

Rather than talk about the 99.9% and the intrinsic value of human life as Bachmann and Santorum had in the GOP primary season, Akin is uttering the words "legitimate rape" and talking nonsense.

30 posted on 08/20/2012 7:39:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 77 days away.)
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To: Second Amendment First

McCaskill campaign spending a million in the Republican primary to get this guy as her primary opponent is the best million ever spent in the history of campaigns.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:55 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: TheWriterTX

Rape is a horrible crime. Castration should be the penalty.

That said look up the stats on false reports of rape. A good percentage are false. If you make an exception for rape for abortion, wouldn’t any woman claim rape? So the exception becomes the rule.

Politically it was stupid and plays into the “war on women” MSM gameplan against Republicans.


32 posted on 08/20/2012 7:42:40 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Will88
If he had to go there, he could've used the legal definition "forcible rape" but he did NOT have to go there except to commit political suicide and reelect McCaskill.
33 posted on 08/20/2012 7:42:56 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 77 days away.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
What saddens me are Republicans now attacking Akin for telling the truth.

That the woman's body has a magic way of keeping from getting pregnant from rapist sperm? That's nonsense.

34 posted on 08/20/2012 7:43:30 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: TheWriterTX

I think the answer is that there is no generalization that covers how all women would react to a rape. The feminists have pushed the “no woman would lie about rape because it’s so traumatic to report and follow through”.

But of course, there are women who have made false accusations, and there are women who have never reported “legitimate rape”.

The self-serving generalizations by the feminists and the lap dog agreement by the MSM are what has served to muddle and confuse the discussion of rape and how different women would react to it.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 7:44:54 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Second Amendment First

ANOTHER Republican pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

They never learn.

This is the kind of thing that happens when they go off-script.


36 posted on 08/20/2012 7:45:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Second Amendment First

Paging Sarah Steelman... Paging Sara Steelman... clean-up in the GOP-e Dept...


37 posted on 08/20/2012 7:47:11 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

You should have listened to Sarah, Missouri!

Lets hope we find a way to salvage what should have been a slam dunk pick-up.


38 posted on 08/20/2012 7:50:25 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: sometime lurker
That the woman's body has a magic way of keeping from getting pregnant from rapist sperm? That's nonsense.

Not magical but physical/hormonal from the stress that results from it, according to intelligent callers to the Charlie Brennan show.

39 posted on 08/20/2012 7:52:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: wyowolf
Here we go......right before the election, republicans self destructing.

Read a report this morning of a contingent of U.S. congressmen in Israel on a fact finding mission (yea right), boozin it up and at least one of’em skinny dipping in the sea where “Jesus walked on water”.

Our elected servants of the people are so corrupt. They believe they can do just about anything and that they are untouchable.

Man, this kinda stuff torques me!

40 posted on 08/20/2012 7:53:18 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: mrs9x
Can the Missouri GOP unilaterally decide to dump him from the ticket, or is the only option for him to resign?

Don't know. I'm not in Missouri. Maybe someone who knows will respond.

41 posted on 08/20/2012 7:54:01 AM PDT by Will88
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To: newzjunkey

What he probably meant to say was exactly what you have pointed out, which is that the pro-abortionists use rape as their big argument, but in practice, the vast, overwhelming majority of pregnancies that are aborted do not come from forcible rape.

But anybody who is that poorly spoken and thoughtless doesn’t belong in politics, and the GOP should replace him immediately with another candidate (if they have one).


42 posted on 08/20/2012 7:56:03 AM PDT by livius
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To: newzjunkey
If he had to go there, he could've used the legal definition "forcible rape" but he did NOT have to go there except to commit political suicide and reelect McCaskill.

Yep, the statement is dumb on so many levels that he needs to be replaced if possible.

43 posted on 08/20/2012 7:57:23 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Uncle Chip
Not magical but physical/hormonal from the stress that results from it, according to intelligent callers to the Charlie Brennan show.

So if you were on a jury in a rape case and the victim was pregnant as a result of the rape, would you accept the Defense making an argument that her pregnancy was evidence that the sex was actually consensual?

44 posted on 08/20/2012 7:59:03 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: servantboy777

Yeah I read about that as well :( surly the GOP can find someone with a functioning brain??
its not that hard to beat the rats, but you cant keep hitting yourself in the head with a sledgehammer and expect to win...


45 posted on 08/20/2012 7:59:22 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: sometime lurker

It is not “magic”. The trauma and stress of the violence and the woman’s struggle makes the act of intercourse less likely to result in fertilization. Promt reporting followed by medical attention will also reduce the chance of implantation of a fertilized egg. It does happen though and the point is this is the only crime where the perp son or daughter is required to pay the ultimate price (death) while the criminal get a few years in jail.


46 posted on 08/20/2012 7:59:22 AM PDT by muskah
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To: Uncle Chip
Not magical but physical/hormonal from the stress that results from it, according to intelligent callers to the Charlie Brennan show.

Sorry, I, and most people, will believe the scientific evidence rather than the "intelligent callers" you cite. I never heard anything about this "natural defense" in medical school. Based on studies, this is nonsense. Repeating it will only make people look more ridiculous.

47 posted on 08/20/2012 8:01:36 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Second Amendment First; All

Looks like the jerk is not dropping out.


48 posted on 08/20/2012 8:01:36 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: muskah
Promt reporting followed by medical attention will also reduce the chance of implantation of a fertilized egg.

You are aware that a great many people on the board consider such medical attention an abortion, don't you?

49 posted on 08/20/2012 8:02:50 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: backwoods-engineer

I say Akin did nothing wrong.


I know nothing about Akins but going by what I’ve read,which admittedly isn’t alot, but it sounds to me his biggest mistake was explaining his position clearly...?

Hang em high!

Meanwhile, back at the Oval Office Obama has set the bar so low that Jimmy Carter for President in 2013 would be an improvement!


50 posted on 08/20/2012 8:07:24 AM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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