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Akin Tries To Explain “Legitimate Rape” Comment, Speak With KMOX’s Charlie Brennan (9:20 Central)
KMOX ^ | August 19, 2012

Posted on 08/20/2012 7:07:41 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

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To: 9YearLurker
I’m going to guess that you haven’t had any college-aged daughters.

Those with college-aged daughters probably shouldn't be making such rules or laws, just as the parents of victims of school shootings shouldn't be making gun laws.

We need less emotion and PC-ness involved in many areas of college administration and lawmaking. I think there are some parents of some former, male Duke students who'd agree. That was purely a case of PC-ness and assuming that women would not make false claims of rape, in spite of the evidence that began piling up within a week or so of the false accusations.

This is all related to a more recent spat of interest group driven initiatives and PC-ness: the drive by gay activists to conflate bullying with discrimination against gays when the bullying of gays is probably a small minority of the total incidents of bullying. That's another thing that doesn't deserve its own separate category and consideration apart from the overall problem.

Rape is rape and bullying is bullying and getting all tangled up in specific circumstances and specific categories of victims, and political motives of interest groups, will result in unequal treatment of the various parties who might become involved in such a tangled mess of rules and laws.

151 posted on 08/20/2012 10:49:00 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Theo
EXCELENT excellent article!!! I always wonder when without any evidence or knowledge, many people will jump to the conclusion that something “can't” be true because it sounds preposterous. (Like Obama was not born in the U.S.).

While this may have been a mistake to poke the tiger or tickle the sleeping dragon, what he said is TRUE. Now that he has said it, he has to stand by it and explain it or get out. He has to do a Herman Cain (if you believe he was innocent).

I'm a firm believer in “THE TRUTH”, so I hope he stays in and only apologizes for maybe a poor choice of words, but stands by his statement as factually correct.

Abortion for the reasons of rape and incest, are still ABORTIONS! The baby had no part in it. It's just as much a baby as the product of a married man & woman who chose to dispose of what God has created. There is no legitimate reason to favor the murder (abortion) of a child in rape or incest cases.

152 posted on 08/20/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Second Amendment First

He should be replaced.


153 posted on 08/20/2012 10:55:05 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: DallasSun

Agreed.


154 posted on 08/20/2012 11:06:43 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Will88

Yes, the Duke case was an example of injustice.

But that doesn’t mean that a qualification of the circumstances of a crime is wrong.

Knee-jerkers like you go in assuming, apparently, that such a qualification makes it political, when really that’s not the case at all. It is simply descriptive.


155 posted on 08/20/2012 11:08:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: DallasSun
It is the response by fellow republicans and republican voters who are outraged.

They are "outraged" because of the MSM spin on what he said.

I'm "outraged" that they are publically speaking against someone who is running on the Republican ticket. Their so called "outrage" will be more likely to cause an Akin defeat than the spin the MSM put on his comment.

Guess they don't agree with Reagan.

156 posted on 08/20/2012 11:21:18 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Theo

Like I said, the true figure is somewhere between the two studies.


157 posted on 08/20/2012 11:22:50 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Theo
It turns out that they are a source of junk science.
158 posted on 08/20/2012 11:25:45 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller

The saddest thing about this stumble is that the liberal interrogators will take Akin’s statement and slap every R candiate with it. “What do you think about Mr. Akin’s statement concerning the rape of women being okay because they can’t get pregnant?” (that is the way they will phrase it of course). Oh how I wish that the people of MO had listened to Sarah.


159 posted on 08/20/2012 11:39:41 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: Second Amendment First

As a voter in MO I see it this way.

One stupid statement or more years of that obama ass kisser? Sorry but I will take my chances with Akin.

If they force him out I will vote for the replacement.


160 posted on 08/20/2012 11:55:17 AM PDT by CARDINALRULES (Tough times never last -Tough people do. DK57 -- 6-22-02)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Akin won the primary by a goodly vote. There is more to this election than a woman’s right to kill her child. I don’t believe the GOP has any better candidate to put in the race but Akin and I think he can win. This dust up over intemperate language is being manufactured by the liberal media and I don’t want them to control our choices for candidates. With all the miss steps Biden has made in his speeches, I don’t think this misstatment by Akin is going to sink his ship. I’ll leave it up to God to decide who He wants.


161 posted on 08/20/2012 12:49:38 PM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: ClearCase_guy

The point Akins seems to be trying to make is indeed valid but he is so Godawful clumsy and inaccurate about it that the conversation hurts my teeth. The word missing from the discussion is “miscarriage”. It’s an ancient, inbred, physiological defense of the female reproductive system——a pregnancy resulting from exposure to an unfamiliar male will most likely miscarry. That’s why the bride is supposed to select the wedding date to keep her out of phase with her fertil cycle, giving her body time to recognize the sperm of the groom.-———————It’s in the books. Look it up yourself (whoever’s interested)——then go feed the book to Akin.-———————————————————I can’t figure out whether he’s apologizing because he now thinks he was wrong or because he explained the phenomenon like a dumbass.


162 posted on 08/20/2012 12:49:50 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller

And you believe everything on that pro-abortion ( http://drjengunter.wordpress.com/tag/abortion/ ) site you link to?

No, the author of that site has a pro-abortion agenda, and is skewing what Akin said to promote her agenda.

For example, that author says that the abortion-cancer link is “long disproven.” Not so. There is evidence that those who have abortions have higher rates of breast cancer: http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/17/abortion-has-caused-300k-breast-cancer-deaths-since-roe/

The author also mischaracterizes what Akin meant by “legitimate” rapes. We understand him to have meant “assault rapes” as opposed to mere accusations of rape.

The author of that hit-piece states with alarm that one of the footnoted studies is “about sexual dysfunction among rapists,” and not about psychic trauma. Um. Yeah, that footnote supported a contention early in the Physicians For Life article unrelated to psychic trauma.

The question is this: Does “psychic trauma” affect pregnancy rates among victims of “assault rape”? It may.

The larger question is this: Should babies who have been conceived through rape be aborted/killed?


163 posted on 08/20/2012 2:01:55 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Theo

That’s the problem, Akin was dumb enough to draw us into a debate about the chances of psychic trauma affecting pregnancy, instead of the focusing on the issue of abortion.

This is what makes him a bad spokesperson for the pro-life cause, and a bad candidate for the senatorial office.


164 posted on 08/20/2012 2:06:11 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Leep

“Meanwhile, back at the Oval Office Obama has set the bar so low that Jimmy Carter for President in 2013 would be an improvement!”

As a Republican!


165 posted on 08/20/2012 4:23:33 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Second Amendment First

Akin said exactly the truth. He said that the baby should not be killed, that the rapist should be the one punished.

Romney proved once again, he is in favor of killing innocent unborn babies. Ryan should hold a Press Conference and STAND FOR LIFE!


166 posted on 08/20/2012 4:44:06 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Will88

tHE ONLY way to push back againt the PC mindset is to Speak Out in an un PC way. Now of course this guy is bending over backwards to apologize which destroys him.

He should have said, “A woman can concieve 6 days out of a month, if she is raped.....do the math.”


167 posted on 08/20/2012 4:50:52 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: backwoods-engineer

What saddens me are Republicans now attacking Akin for telling the truth.

EXACTLY.


168 posted on 08/20/2012 4:56:54 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC

Really? The truth is that pro-lifers are against abortion in the cases of rape because pregnancies are unlikely to happen in rape cases?

No, that’s not why I’m attacking him. I’m attacking him for misrepresenting my position.


169 posted on 08/20/2012 5:06:51 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: sometime lurker

6 days a month a woman can get pregnant. What are the odds that the rape occurs during those 6 days?


170 posted on 08/20/2012 5:09:20 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Wow. I had never heard feminists saying that. Got any links so I can read more?


171 posted on 08/20/2012 5:15:50 PM PDT by turn_to
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To: TomasUSMC
6 days a month a woman can get pregnant. What are the odds that the rape occurs during those 6 days?

20% If one in five victims of every car accident was killed would you treat that so lightly?

172 posted on 08/20/2012 5:16:40 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: TomasUSMC
6 days a month a woman can get pregnant. What are the odds that the rape occurs during those 6 days?

That explains why the chances are about 5%.

173 posted on 08/20/2012 5:57:39 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: 9YearLurker

So are you calling me a misogynist? Based on one post of mine? I would think more than so-called misogynists lurk here at FR, if that is the case.


174 posted on 08/20/2012 8:02:35 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: 9YearLurker
Knee-jerkers like you go in assuming, apparently, that such a qualification makes it political, when really that’s not the case at all. It is simply descriptive.

Lol, no, I actually observed as this "qualification" became part of the leftist vocabulary as it was picked up by all the usual PC suspects and the MSM, and academia, etc.

175 posted on 08/20/2012 8:03:15 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Second Amendment First

I heard the comment. So he said “legitimate rape”?

I understood his implication that rape should be proven to obtain abortion under a rape and incest law.

Is the offense that women, like men, could lie?


176 posted on 08/20/2012 8:17:19 PM PDT by topfile
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To: MEGoody
"Challenge to all of you. . .what would you have said in response to the very direction question about abortion in cases of rape?"

He could have quoted Santorum verbatim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-hvk9274po

177 posted on 08/20/2012 8:30:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Second Amendment First
It does not matter whether what Akin is saying is medically true or not; he is speaking as if he possesses expertise in a field in which he is clearly unqualified. Further, given the absolute certainty that the media would try to trip him up and then blow the answer out of proportion he should therefore have been both better prepared and more circumspect. He has thus shown an evident lack of political aptitude for the office he seeks.

Moreover, no matter how statistically likely this phenomenon might (or might not) be, it is absolutely certain not to be universally true. Hence, to pursue a policy based upon that uncertain likelihood is to guarantee perpetrating an injustice upon an innocent victim, that she is somehow culpable for the pregnancy due to rape. This exactly plays into the 'Republicans victimize women' meme portrayed in mass media.

Akin is therefore too stupid to be considered seriously. He should withdraw.

178 posted on 08/20/2012 10:07:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
he should therefore have been both better prepared and more circumspect. He has thus shown an evident lack of political aptitude for the office he seeks.

You mean like Mitt Romney did in the South Carolina debate when being asked about his tax returns?

US election 2012: Mitt Romney booed over tax returns during South Carolina debate

Moreover, no matter how statistically likely this phenomenon might (or might not) be, it is absolutely certain not to be universally true. Hence, to pursue a policy based upon that uncertain likelihood is to guarantee perpetrating an injustice upon an innocent victim, that she is somehow culpable for the pregnancy due to rape.

What in God's name are you talking about? Did you listen to the interview? He said nothing of the kind. His policy is not "based on" this science, he mentioned it only in passing, and he expressed that rape absolutely can result in a pregnancy. And are you saying that it is an "injustice" if a woman does not abort an innocent unborn baby? That's disgusting. Abortion has NOTHING to do with "culpability." Only liberals like Obama think a baby is a "punishment." Abortion is about the life or death of an innocent unborn child and nothing else.

179 posted on 08/20/2012 10:14:14 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: topfile
I heard the comment. So he said “legitimate rape”?

I understood his implication that rape should be proven to obtain abortion under a rape and incest law.

He didn't mean that at all. He was talking about the trauma of a rape making it less likely for pregnancy to occur due to hormonal and physical issues. That context made it obvious to anyone paying attention that he was talking about a "violent" rape when saying "legitimate rape." He simply misspoke, and clarified the next day that he meant "forcible" rape as opposed to statutory rape which is non-violent and consensual.

180 posted on 08/20/2012 10:17:29 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: TigerClaws

“If you make an exception for rape for abortion, wouldn’t any woman claim rape? So the exception becomes the rule.”

You make it sound as though women, by and large, have no qualms about ending the lives of their unborn children. Do you really believe that?


181 posted on 08/21/2012 2:30:18 AM PDT by juno67 (Gua)
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To: Second Amendment First
Michael Berry talks some sense on this issue. Republicans need to grow a pair and not worry about upsetting liberals. Download the MP3 file and listen. Here is the link to the file: Click HERE.

Or here: http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?more_page=1&podcast=michaelberry&selected_podcast=Michael_Berry_HR_4_%285p%29_1_1345507523_5247.mp3

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

182 posted on 08/21/2012 7:57:04 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: JediJones
And are you saying that it is an "injustice" if a woman does not abort an innocent unborn baby?

Your obsessive ideology has blinded you to the point that you cannot read. I said that his statement (implying that a woman's body rejects semen in forcible rape) places confers upon those women forcibly impregnated by that means a stigma of culpability. That would be unjust.

Please learn to read.

183 posted on 08/21/2012 8:07:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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