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Rick Scott Says Florida Is No. 1 In Concealed Permits
Tampa Bay Times ^ | August 20, 2012 | Aaron Sharockman

Posted on 08/20/2012 7:21:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro

After yucking it up last week on a Gulf of Mexico fishing trip, Govs. Rick Perry and Rick Scott sat for an interview with Fox News Channel's Your World with Neil Cavuto.

A subject in the conversation: guns.

"We believe in an individual law-abiding citizen's right to bear arms," Scott said. "We have to continue to have this right. We are not going to be taking weapons away from law-abiding citizens of Florida."

Scott then stated an amazing, if true, statistic about gun ownership in the state.

"I mean, I think we have more concealed weapons permits than any other state because Floridians care about their right to bear arms."

With 19 million residents, Florida is the fourth-most populous state in the country so it's no surprise it would be high on a concealed permit list. But is it No. 1 ahead of Perry's Texas, which has 6 million more residents, and California, which is nearly double the size?

Turns out, yes. Scott is correct.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, recently studied the number of active concealed weapons permits by state. Its report is from July and includes concealed weapons permit data as of Dec. 31, 2011, in most cases.

The top 10 of valid permits by state breaks down like this:

1. Florida: 887,000;

2. Pennsylvania: 786,000;

3. Georgia: 600,000;

4. Texas: 519,000;

5. Indiana: 406,000;

6. Washington: 351,000;

7. Utah: 347,000;

8. Tennessee: 341,000;

9. Michigan: 296,000;

10. Virginia: 279,000.

There's two caveats to this list. First, several states, including Florida, allow out-of-state residents to acquire concealed weapons permits. So people living outside of Florida may have a Florida permit. Records don't distinguish by location.

Second, it's worth noting that many states have reciprocity agreements regarding concealed weapons permits, meaning that a Texas license is valid in Florida and vice versa.

We don't think either is enough to question the validity of Scott's remark, however.

Three large states are missing from the Top 10 list. Illinois does not issue concealed weapons permits. California and New York are considered "may issue" states, which gives those states much more discretion over who gets a permit. That in turn makes it harder to get one.

As a result, California has just 35,000 active permits, representing .1 percent of the adult active population, according to the analysis. Florida, a "shall issue" state, had a concealed weapons permit rate of 6.2 percent of its active adult population. Georgia ranks first at 11 percent.

Our ruling

Scott said Florida has "more concealed weapons permits than any other state." A recent U.S. Government Accountability Office study backs Scott up. The state has about 887,000 valid concealed weapons permits, about 100,000 more than the next closest state, Pennsylvania.

We rate this statement True.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; guns; youwillnotdisarmus
The top Nanny States like New York, California and Illinois didn't make the Top Ten list

States Ranked By Population (2011 est.)
[01] indicates rank by population
(1) indicates rank by concealed carry permits issued

[01] - California; Pop. = 37,691,912

[02] - Texas; Pop. = 25,674,681 (No. 4 in concealed carry permits)

[03] - New York; Pop. = 19,465,197

[04] - Florida; Pop. = 19,057,542 (No. 1 in concealed carry permits)

[05] - Illinois; Pop. = 12,869,257

[06] - Pennsylvania; Pop. = 12,742,886 (No. 2 in concealed carry permits)

[07] - Ohio; 11,544,951

[08] - Michigan; Pop. = 9,876,187 (No. 9 in concealed carry permits)

[09] - Georgia; Pop. = 9,815,210 (No. 3 in concealed carry permits)

[10] - North Carolina; Pop. = 9,656,401

[12] - Virginia; Pop. = 8,096,604 (No. 10 in concealed carry permits)

[13] - Washington; Pop. = 6,830,038 (No. 6 in concealed carry permits)

[15] - Indiana; Pop. = 6,516,922 (No. 5 in concealed carry permits)

[17] - Tennessee; Pop. = 6,403,353 (No. 8 in concealed carry permits)

[35] - Utah; Pop. = 2,817,222 (No. 7 in concealed carry permits)


1 posted on 08/20/2012 7:21:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Iron Munro

Utterly misleading. Utah and Florida are popular states for OUT OF STATERS to get concealed carry permits because their laws are structured in such a way that the permits are good in dozens of states. Utah is the value choice because the permit is relatively easy to get, and inexpensive. Florida’s is a bit stricter and more expensive, but is good in even more states. Classes for Utah CCPs are VERY popular in Illinois, and not because the folks want to carry in Utah, but because they want to carry in Wisconsin.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 7:28:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I have a Utah non-resident permit, but don’t even have a permit for my home state, NY, because of all the hoops. I can carry concealed in something like 32 states, but can’t even own a pistol in my own home. Crazy.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 7:50:42 AM PDT by GnL
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To: GnL

I would not live in a state that does not allow you to own a pistol even in your own home. What is so valuable about living there if the state does this?


4 posted on 08/20/2012 7:57:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Iron Munro

St. Petersburg Pravda can’t stand Scott, so they have to make a statement, proven to be true, into a story! All one needs to do is read some of Pravda’s articles produced about Scott, to see how far out of shape they get with him! Keep it up Rick! (Scott, that is!)


5 posted on 08/20/2012 8:06:10 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Dr. Sivana
Who cares if Florida is a popular state for out of state people to get concealed carry permits?

I would love to see the numbers for Florida taken a step further.

I want to see the number of concealed carry permits per 10,000 people by counties compared to various types of violent crime (home invasion, armed robbery, rape, murder, etc) per 10,000 people by counties.

That study, IMHO, would put to rest all the liberal/progressive/socialist/dimocrat BS about increased numbers of concealed carry permits will turn our cities into rivers of blood.

6 posted on 08/20/2012 8:14:52 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Iron Munro
We are not going to be taking weapons away from law-abiding citizens of Florida."

What good is your right to carry if you can't get any ammunition? The government is buying it all up.

7 posted on 08/20/2012 8:23:45 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Iron Munro; GnL; Gaffer; Nip; Don Corleone; JDoutrider

8 posted on 08/20/2012 8:36:12 AM PDT by Baynative (A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for others)
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To: Nip
Who cares if Florida is a popular state for out of state people to get concealed carry permits?

The original article implied that a large number of permits necessarily meant a large number of people in the state are actually carrying. Although many in Florida are, fo course, like Utah the numbers are inflated because of the numerous out of state permit holders, many of whom don't spend any time in Florida.
9 posted on 08/20/2012 8:37:22 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Ooops. I had not seen the end of the article, where mention is made about out of state permit holders.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 8:39:20 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Utterly misleading.

Did I miss something?

I didn't see this article as spin in either direction.

If anything I thought it served to accent the general correlation between high per-capita carry permits and states with higher personal freedom, and low numbers of per-capita carry permits and states with high police state/nanny state political cultures.

Of course there are other factors at work but I believe the data confirms that assessment.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 8:40:17 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Iron Munro

I’m proud to see that Pennsylvania has over 6% of its population having CCW (around 10% of the adult population eligible to apply for CCW)


12 posted on 08/20/2012 9:32:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: Iron Munro

I live in California, and have a Florida license, that means I am counted as part of that total.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 9:43:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Dr. Sivana said: "Utah is the value choice because the permit is relatively easy to get, and inexpensive. "

This is especially true of the renewal process. Florida's renewal is about as expensive and troublesome as the original application. Utah sent me a one page renewal form which required just a recent passport photo and a credit card number for the $15 charge. Florida's renewal was about $100, required a new fingerprint card (which costs about $30 locally) and I think I had to get the form notarized.

Either is still light-years ahead of Kalifornia. I plan to make my application soon and will expect to spend probably $1000 and be prepared to take my appeals case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

14 posted on 08/20/2012 10:45:43 AM PDT by William Tell
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Florida = 887,000 permits

Arizona = 4,315,579 licensed drivers.

Yes folks, in AZ, all you need is your AZ driver's license to conceal carry. That makes AZ the concealed carry permit capital of the U.S. - and maybe the world!

15 posted on 08/20/2012 11:12:51 AM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Henchster

Heck, you can throw in Idaho for that matter. It has CCW without a permit as well. There are 921K licensed drivers there (assuming the same rules as Arizona).


16 posted on 08/20/2012 1:34:57 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Iron Munro; All

FL may have slightly more concealed carry permits than PA, but we have the biggest gunstore in the world by volume, Cabela’s in Hamburg, PA.


17 posted on 08/20/2012 3:27:28 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
FL may have slightly more concealed carry permits than PA, but we have the biggest gunstore in the world by volume, Cabela’s in Hamburg, PA.

Cabela's - my favorite.

Been dealing with them for years by mail
Wouldn't mind visiting the store.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 3:55:15 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Iron Munro

Love Cabela’s. Sold some tech shares which have been dead money and moved it into Cabela’s recently. Figured if they were doing this well in a crappy economy they will do well in an upturn should one come along.


19 posted on 08/20/2012 5:55:12 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Nip

An anti-gunner did more or less what you suggested.

He did a county by county study of the entire US, comparing gun ownership to crime rates in every county.

When he was done, he wrote a book about the results.

Former anti-gunner John Lott wrote, “More Guns, Less Crime”.


20 posted on 08/20/2012 6:05:28 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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