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They've pulled the 'RAPE' card; now Akin should stick to his guns (vanity)
the leftist attack media | 8/20/2012 | me

Posted on 08/20/2012 8:19:56 AM PDT by shhrubbery!

The mainstream media have gleefully pulled the "RAPE" card. We conservatives should recognize this for what this is:
There is no real issue, no real "outrage" over what Akin said. In fact, what Akin said is generally true, albeit inartfully said.

No, what is really going on here is the Left's campaign of distraction. Dangle a shiny object, blanket the airwaves and other media with non-stop "discussion" of this "controversy," and distract voters from real issues.

Here is what Akin should do:

1. Call a news conference. Have a pro-life ob/gyn/physiologist stand up and answer questions on this topic. I.e., tell the world the truth that pregnancy as a result of traumatic rape IS, in fact, RARE.

2. Bring Norma McCorvey to this news conference too. Norma, as many of us know, is the original "Roe" of Roe v. Wade. She will tell the story of how she was induced to claim she was gang-raped. This was a lie of the Left, and perjury to the Court. But it worked; and all our states' abortion laws were struck down, partly on the strength of the lie that pregancies resulting from rapes were common. McCorvey will tell the truth about the use of "rape" as a red herring by the Left.

3. Akin must stick to his guns. Stand up, and do it with conviction. Voters admire a candidate who has the courage of his convictions.

And here is what we conservatives should NOT do:

We should NOT join the msm pile on. We should NOT ridicule and condemn Akin like the rabid Left and their henchmen in the msm are doing right now.

You know, we have just seen Paul Ryan show the courage of his convictions in taking on another hot button issue ... Medicare.

How about we take a lesson from Ryan and NOT run away like scared little children every time the Alinsky-ites pull a shiny object out of their bag of sleazy tricks.


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Fellow Freepers, I've rarely posted a vanity.

I'm doing it today because I find it very disturbing that many conservatives seem to be running for the hills on this issue. Don't retreat. STAND UP AND FIGHT.

1 posted on 08/20/2012 8:20:04 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!

I only hope that woman in this country aren’t half as stupid as the media and the DNC think they are.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 8:23:11 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: shhrubbery!

I agree with you. Unfortunately, the “we must retreat” crowd has taken over FR. I don’t know when I’ve seen so much hand wringing and bed wetting. I find it more than disturbing, I find it truly sickening.

Sometimes I think we deserve to lose.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 8:25:50 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: shhrubbery!

too late.
Romney’s campaign..i.e. Romney, has already ‘commented’.


4 posted on 08/20/2012 8:29:52 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: beandog; NYer; wagglebee; Jim Robinson
Thanks. Yes, very discouraging to see all the bed-wetting on this non-issue.

FR, a strongly pro-life site, is the last place on earth we should be seeing conservatives retreat and concede the race to the odious McCaskill.

5 posted on 08/20/2012 8:29:55 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: shhrubbery!

Good quote from another forum. Not mine

“There’s a way to make his argument, which is something like: “The unimaginable emotional trauma of being raped does not excuse the killing of an innocent child, who did not choose these circumstances anymore than the victim herself.”

You can say that—agree or disagree, it’s a consistent way to express your position. Instead. . .he comes up with some utterly bizarre pseudo-medical explanation.”

For every Dr. this guy brings out, the left will find one that refutes it. Stick to morals.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 8:31:02 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: shhrubbery!

4. _Blame_ _the_ _women_ _who_ _want_ _abortions_ _._


7 posted on 08/20/2012 8:32:00 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Siri says: Romney never met a homosexual he didn't like.)
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To: shhrubbery!

8 posted on 08/20/2012 8:33:03 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: shhrubbery!
I heard the audio. It was no big deal.

Akin is safe as he's running in a conservative area. The media is after bigger game here.

9 posted on 08/20/2012 8:33:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: shhrubbery!
Just a few facts:
1. According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims are under age 18; one in six are under age 12.
2. The adult pregnancy rate associated with rape is estimated to be 4.7%. This information, in conjunction with estimates based on the U.S. Census, suggest that there may be 32,101 annual rape-related pregnancies among American women over the age of 18.17

So your ok with 1500+ pregnancies per year due to rape being "RARE". I just love self righteousness!

Ref: http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
10 posted on 08/20/2012 8:37:08 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: shhrubbery!
I'm doing it today because I find it very disturbing that many conservatives seem to be running for the hills on this issue. Don't retreat. STAND UP AND FIGHT.

It's not a matter of running for he hills. Akin's comment was just plain ignorant and he absolutely deserves to be called on it.

11 posted on 08/20/2012 8:41:11 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: shhrubbery!

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, I hate the fact that Pubbies don’t back up their candidates very well but I’m having a tough time with this one. Maybe, it’s partly due to the fact that Aiken was my least favorite of the three candidates (he didn’t seem too bright to me even then). Maybe it’s because there was an apparently large crossover vote in the primary to help him & a few others down ballot. Maybe, it’s because this opens up the whole “war on Women” distraction with vengeance. I’ve been on his FB page & would ascertain he hasn’t a chance to recover. I’m sure Claire Bear probably didn’t expect him to screw up so soon, but I’m inclined to think he needs to go........wish it weren’t so.......


12 posted on 08/20/2012 8:41:40 AM PDT by PoplarBluffian
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To: shhrubbery!
What good is a great idea if you can't sell it?

He failed the fundamental test of being a politician...the ability to convince others to agree with you. In fact, he did the opposite. People are running to get away from him. He's managed to drag the entire party into his statistical blabbering. He's hurting the Pro-Life argument.

He needs to STFU and go away.

13 posted on 08/20/2012 8:43:49 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: justice14
Instead. . .he comes up with some utterly bizarre pseudo-medical explanation.

Nothing bizarre about it. Have you never known a woman who was trying to get pregnant and, when the doctor could find nothing medically wrong, told her to relax and the pregnancy would happen? Are all doctors to advise that guilty of malpractice?

14 posted on 08/20/2012 8:43:54 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: shhrubbery!

This is amazing!

Folks are demanding that an adamantly pro-life nominee should withdraw. Why aren’t these same folks demanding the withdrawal of Romney, an (as yet) unnominated candidate with a pro-abortion history?

Akin will do better in his race than Romney will do in his doomed presidential candidacy. In two weeks, no one will remember exactly what Akin said; they will remember only that he is pro-life at all times in all cases. In two weeks, Romney will still be Romney, a loser.

Wake up, folks!


15 posted on 08/20/2012 8:45:08 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: TexasCajun
I suspect this is the real reason so many FReepers are having a hissy fit over Akin. . .because Sarah Palin endorsed Sarah Steelman.

What a stupid reason.

16 posted on 08/20/2012 8:46:20 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

You will not win that one in the public debate. Akin can try all he wants and will be destroyed. Just state he is against killing a child regardless of the mistakes that led to it and stand by that. Nothing else needs to be said. You will have dr’s walked out left and right fighting the chances of getting pregnant (whether true or false).


17 posted on 08/20/2012 8:49:53 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Tau Food
Folks are demanding that an adamantly pro-life nominee should withdraw.

Red herring. His pro-life beliefs have nothing do with it. It was his ignorant comment concerning legitimate rape and pregnancy that has him in hot water. You can be pro-life without saying stupid things about rape.

18 posted on 08/20/2012 8:50:43 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: MEGoody

OMG. You need to stop. This kind of asinine argument makes all conservatives look like Neanderthals. This is where we get our reputation from. What he said was idiotic and unsubstantiated. You shouldn’t have to break out a Physician’s Deskside reference to understand what a candidate is saying about getting pregnant. We lose this seat if he doesn’t drop out.


19 posted on 08/20/2012 8:51:12 AM PDT by paul544
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To: paul544

Not to mention Romney now has to take focus from the economy to social issues which is where we lose the general election as well. Atkin should be ran out of the party and branded the idiot he is!


20 posted on 08/20/2012 8:53:55 AM PDT by paul544
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To: paul544
This kind of asinine argument makes all conservatives look like Neanderthals.

LOL Yeah, that's an argument based on real medical practice. Talk about asinine.

21 posted on 08/20/2012 8:54:16 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: vet7279

Agreed. The comment was stupid on too many levels.

Another relevant exemplary factoid:
Genghis Kahn is an ancestor of 0.5% of the world’s population - and not for being a seductive Don Juan, nor for fluke of his family tree branching. If you get my drift.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 8:54:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: justice14
Just state he is against killing a child regardless of the mistakes that led to it and stand by that.

And we both know that the MSM would have jumped all over that as well, whining about how Akin wants to force women who have been raped to be forced to carry a child resulting from that rape.

23 posted on 08/20/2012 8:55:51 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: shhrubbery!

Akin’s comments are indefensible. He needs to go. This Conservative isn’t running to the hills, I am chasing Akin to the hills.


24 posted on 08/20/2012 8:56:55 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: vet7279
So your ok with 1500+ pregnancies per year due to rape being "RARE". I just love self righteousness!

Of course not.

Where in God's name do you get the idea that I, or any other pro-life person, is "ok with rape"?

The truth is:

1. The so-called Justice Department is about the last institution I would trust anymore. It has been obscenely politicized.

2. Anybody can make up statistics to try to slant any argument.

3. And this is most important:
"Rape" is a red herring, used dishonestly by Leftists in their argument in order to OVERTURN all states' laws about abortion.

Do you know how states used to deal with this issue, before Roe v. Wade was forced on the entire nation by Judicial fiat?
Before Roe, difficult cases (e.g. medical issues causing a threat to the life of the mother; or rape) went before a medical board of qualified doctors. The doctors on the board would weed out which cases were "real" ... and which were not.

What we have now, as a result of Roe (and its companion case Doe v Bolton), is legalized murder of pre-born children for ANY reason and at ANY time throughout pregnancy.

And guess what? We are almost the only nation in the world that permits this wholesale slaughter of babies, for any reason at all. I believe we share that distinction with Communist China.

25 posted on 08/20/2012 8:57:08 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: vet7279; shhrubbery!

Thank you for introducing actual numbers into the discussion, vet7279. Those numbers are based on some percentage of victims receiving emergency contraception, which would lower the pregnancy rate. And a substantial percentage of victims are already using oral contraceptives or perhaps an IUD, so what is the pregnancy rate among non-contraceptive using victims?
It’s 32,000 rape-related pregnancies though, not 1500, isn’t it?

Shhrub, if you know a medical study showing that trauma reduces the conception rate, please provide a link.


26 posted on 08/20/2012 8:57:22 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: RIghtwardHo
Akin’s comments are indefensible. He needs to go. This Conservative isn’t running to the hills, I am chasing Akin to the hills.

Sorry, I haven't been able to take your comments seriously ever since you disgraced yourself by "running to the hills" over the George Zimmerman issue.

27 posted on 08/20/2012 8:59:31 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: MEGoody

It’s not a medical opinion. Unlike suggesting a woman’s body rejects pregnancy due to rape. There are plenty of children of rape who are all the proof I need.
Give it up. You’re boy’s a damn moron.


28 posted on 08/20/2012 8:59:37 AM PDT by paul544
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To: MEGoody

Which is why you word it. Rape is extremely horrible and unexcuseable, but I feel that the killing of an innocent child is equally, if not more, unexcuseable and should be treated as so.

Let the chips lie where they may. He stated his principles and has not gone against anyone of them.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 9:00:46 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: heartwood

Your right... I had a 4 year old tugging at me and I was trying to finish my thought... yea right... :)


30 posted on 08/20/2012 9:01:22 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: shhrubbery!

Nobody is running for the hills, we’re just calling an idiot....an idiot. When Whoopie made her moronic comments, even as a woman, people here called her out on it, now you have a GOP politician who basically pulled out a .45, shot through his foot about 5 or 6 times.

A guy who was clearly in the lead, now that’s questionable and he may have single-handedly revived McCaskill and left the Senate in Democrat control.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 9:09:43 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: paul544
Unlike suggesting a woman’s body rejects pregnancy due to rape.

Think of it this way: we know there's a relationship between female orgasm and conception. The mechanism for this isn't entirely understood, but it's really not a controversial idea. We can think of rape, therefore, as the opposite of this. There's nothing about pain, stress, trauma and physical rejection that's conducive to insemination the way relaxed, consensual sex is.

32 posted on 08/20/2012 9:10:46 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: MEGoody

Your comment is exactly why conservatives are stereotyped as backwards neanderthals.

There’s not a single peer-reviewed study that supports either your or Akin’s assertions. It was an idiotic comment by him, he should apologize, step down and go away to hopefully never be heard from publicly again. If he stays on, you can get used to seeing Claire McCaskill for yet another 6 years.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 9:14:20 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: shhrubbery!
...... It is becoming crystal clear to me that the most important issues in this election cycle are the non issues.
34 posted on 08/20/2012 9:15:19 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: shhrubbery!

I’m entirely on the side of social conservatism, and would probably support and agree with just about all of Akin’s voting record. But good grief, his statement is such a grotesque, garbled mess. It’s just skin-crawlingly offensive to the sensibilities, putting the words “legitimate rape” together and talking about wombs magically shutting down conception (which leaves the implication women who HAVE gotten pregnant via rape are somehow not genuine victims).

If this were the case of the media doing its usual unfair hit-job on a Republican, like they did with George Allen and Trent Lott, I’d agree to stand firm and FIGHT like hell! The GOP invariably wimps out, cowering in fear, and come off like pathetic losers. But, this isn’t that sort of case. Akin did this to himself, with his incredibly dingbat wording. He himself has done damage to the pro-life, social conservative cause with his stupidity. It’s not the media to blame. He might be a good guy on the issues, but the resulting carnage to himself and his Party thanks to his statement merits not his support, but demotion. Down to the rank of buck private, if you ask me.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 9:17:38 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Kleon

None of what you said has any basis in science. Women can get aroused during a rape, women can also orgasm during rape. These natural physiological reactions lead to feelings of guilt and even further trauma in those who were raped but do not make the rape any less “legitimate.”

I propose that from here on out, male politicians simply stop discussing the female body in general, it comes back to bite them almost every single time, especially Republicans.


36 posted on 08/20/2012 9:20:04 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: shhrubbery!
sarah_palin_stumps_for_steelman Pictures, Images and Photos

Should have listened to Sarah Palin and voted for Sarah Steelman and you wouldn't have this problem. Or Akin can quit and she can replace him.

37 posted on 08/20/2012 9:21:12 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: beandog

Romney took Akin to task, big-time, today for his comments. BTW, beandog, have you seen this thread? Jim Robinson came out for Romney today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920626/posts


38 posted on 08/20/2012 9:23:58 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: MEGoody

Expect Akin to produce a few medical doctors that will support Akin’s findings that the female reproductive system shuts down during what the body determines is a legitimate rape.


39 posted on 08/20/2012 9:24:06 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: shhrubbery!
Santorum was asked this question during the primaries and hit it out of the park.

But social issues weren't important back then...

40 posted on 08/20/2012 9:26:49 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Uncle Slayton

You keep repeating this idiocy, yet there are NO doctors who will support what he said, what do you not understand about that? His position that “legitimate rape” does not result in pregnancy is so far wrong that it shouldn’t even deserve an actual response.


41 posted on 08/20/2012 9:31:51 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: shhrubbery!

Traumatic rape is rare, so of course pregnancy from traumatic rape is also rare. And in fact, pregnancy is “rare” as well, happening only a small percentage of the time one has intercourse.

However, there is nothing about forcible rape that makes it particularly MORE rare to get pregnant. There is not “forcible rape response” in a woman’s body that prevents pregnancies. That was an absurd statement, and devastating.

Further, the argument against allowing abortion has nothing to do with how rare it would be needed. Saying that we can ban abortion because it would only affect a few thousand women is an absurd argument as well, and works directly against the real argument.

Abortion should be illegal because it kills a human being. It makes no difference how that human being was conceived.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 9:32:21 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Snickering Hound; TexasCajun
Paging Sarah Steelamn...

Paging Sarah Steelman...

Please respond to a clean-up in the GOP-e Dept...

43 posted on 08/20/2012 9:34:08 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Kleon

Oh... That will make a great talking point at the debate.


44 posted on 08/20/2012 9:34:48 AM PDT by paul544
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To: PhxTM06
His position that “legitimate rape” does not result in pregnancy is so far wrong that it shouldn’t even deserve an actual response.

Now you're just twisting what he actually said.

45 posted on 08/20/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: shhrubbery!

The liberals including Romney called Akin’s words inexcusable. All the liberals are getting on board.


46 posted on 08/20/2012 9:36:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: Kleon

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,”

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,”

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,”

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,”

Really, what am I twisting?


47 posted on 08/20/2012 9:37:27 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: skeeter

Akin is safe as he’s running in a conservative area.

Not really. The state of Missouri is not that conservative.


48 posted on 08/20/2012 9:39:33 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: paul544
It’s not a medical opinion. Unlike suggesting a woman’s body rejects pregnancy due to rape.

So when a doctor tells a woman who is trying to get pregnant and has no underlying medical issues to relax and reduce her stress and the pregnancy will happen, he's wrong? So stress has no impact on the ability of a woman's body to conceive?

49 posted on 08/20/2012 9:40:49 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: napscoordinator

Ding ding ding.

Romney and Obama are basically running neck and neck in Missouri. McCaskill was elected there previously, thanks to the St Louis area among others, Missouri is far more evenly divided than some here suggest and these comments will cost the GOP votes.


50 posted on 08/20/2012 9:42:56 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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