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Autopsy: Death of handcuffed man in Ark. a suicide
Associated Press ^ | August. 20, 2012 | JEANNIE NUSS

Posted on 08/20/2012 10:25:50 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- An autopsy report released Monday lists the death of a man shot in the head while his hands were cuffed behind him in an Arkansas patrol car as a suicide.

The state crime lab report, signed by three medical examiners, said the muzzle of a gun was placed against the right side of 21-year-old Chavis Carter's head when it was fired.

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arkancide; leo; suicide

1 posted on 08/20/2012 10:25:52 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is Captain Renault in charge here?


2 posted on 08/20/2012 10:27:12 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Arkancide?


3 posted on 08/20/2012 10:27:20 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is Deja Vu the proper term ?


4 posted on 08/20/2012 10:28:34 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I see Vince Foster’s forensic team is still in a job.


5 posted on 08/20/2012 10:29:03 AM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: vanilla swirl

Yes?


6 posted on 08/20/2012 10:29:09 AM PDT by Arkancide (www.arkancide.com)
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To: vanilla swirl
Arkancide?

Yes?
7 posted on 08/20/2012 10:30:08 AM PDT by Arkancide (www.arkancide.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

His family should:
1. Sue the gun manufacturer
2. Sue the handcuff manufacturer
3. Sue the gun and handcuff manufacturer


8 posted on 08/20/2012 10:31:26 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Some things never change.


9 posted on 08/20/2012 10:33:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The rarely respected Leonard Pitts had a column on this in today's Contra Costa Times. My first reaction was ............ Pitts? here we go again.

But committing suicide by gun while cuffed is a bit hard to believe to say the least.

The Police Chief involved said the dash cam supports the story. Fine. Release the damned video then.

10 posted on 08/20/2012 10:37:32 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The ODD things about this are:

Officers found Carter slumped over in the seat, and assumed he shot himself.

You would think they would have HEARD the gunshot.

They searched him twice and found no weapon. What did they find after he shot himself ?


11 posted on 08/20/2012 10:40:48 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

12 posted on 08/20/2012 10:41:52 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Typical Arkansas suicide...../s? My inlaws are from the area. Hear those kind of storys all the time.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 10:42:43 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eat my dog!)
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To: MeganC

At least he didn’t die of ‘natural causes’ like James Milan, another Clinton crony who was found decapitated.


14 posted on 08/20/2012 10:44:18 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Did he access Obama’s passport, college or birth records? How about his Man’s Country registration application?


15 posted on 08/20/2012 10:44:21 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

During my military training at a police demonstration in Orlando I saw handcuffed people perform stunts that had to be seen to be believed. Some of the stunts were performed by amateurs (like jumping through cuffed hands to place your hands in front of you). The lesson was don’t fall into a trap by thinking handcuffs totally disable a suspect.


16 posted on 08/20/2012 10:44:27 AM PDT by Ben Mugged ("Life's tough..... It's even tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A limber young person of small stature could slip the handcuffs under his butts d end up cuffed in front. It’s quite a trick but just possible mid the gun were available in his pocket hd could shoot himself in the head.

I don’t believe for a moment that that is how this happened.


17 posted on 08/20/2012 10:44:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Frisked twice. They did some poor reenactment you can find on search of how they say he did it, but the actor, err skinny little cop pulls the cuffs basically over onto the forearms because they were so loose in the reenactment. lmao. Sounds and smells like bullcrap to me.
18 posted on 08/20/2012 10:46:16 AM PDT by commonguymd
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is either one of the most poorly written or one of the most cleverly written articles (in the AP).

I haven’t seen all the videos, nor all the evidence, but from what I did see, there seems to be a complete lack of motivation on the part of the police to kill Chavis Carter.

There is not enough in the story or video that even begins to explain what happened.


19 posted on 08/20/2012 10:46:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Many years ago I was dealing with a guy who was a known criminal tho he was not charged with anything at the time.

One guy I talked to was the Mayor of Columbia, Alabama. He had been a star quarterback at Ole Miss in his younger days.

Anyway he told me the guy had a girlfriend, acquaintance or some relationship to a girl who was killed by gunshot. He said the funny thing is that it was ruled a suicide despite the fact that she had been shot with a .25 and a .45.

I always suspected corruption but never did know all the facts.


20 posted on 08/20/2012 10:46:55 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: UCANSEE2

Perhaps he shot himself in the head BEFORE they cuffed and stuffed him, and it took him all that time to die. Ya, that’s the ticket.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 10:47:32 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: muir_redwoods
I don’t believe for a moment that that is how this happened.

I would be interested in your alternate explanation.

22 posted on 08/20/2012 10:48:34 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Also, he fired the gun three times. Worst suicide case in memory.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 10:51:03 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: VanShuyten
Perhaps he shot himself in the head BEFORE they cuffed and stuffed him, and it took him all that time to die. Ya, that’s the ticket.

And his gun had a James Bond Silencer on it.

24 posted on 08/20/2012 10:51:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: Free ThinkerNY


25 posted on 08/20/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: UCANSEE2

A drive by by a rival gang member
A murderous cop

That’s two. Until the dash cam video is released, they both sound more likely.


26 posted on 08/20/2012 10:52:29 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Take a look at this video. It IS possible to shoot yourself in the head with your arms handcuffed behind you:

Shooting Oneself while handcuffed

27 posted on 08/20/2012 10:53:58 AM PDT by texson66 (In the words of Kent Brockman, "As for myself, I welcome our new commie overlords...")
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To: Free ThinkerNY


28 posted on 08/20/2012 10:55:09 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

After seeing his photos, I don’t blame him for not wanting to return to prison.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 10:55:52 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I almost believe it. Why would the cops shoot him in the back seat? If they wanted to murder him, pull him out of the car and shoot him trying to escape? I’ll wait for the video. It just seems too stupid to use as an alibi, so it might be the truth.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 10:56:22 AM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Video of the stop here ...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/18/police-release-footage-from-backseat-suicide-traffic-stop/


31 posted on 08/20/2012 11:01:15 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It IS possible to shoot oneself in the head while handcuffed with your hands behind you. watch:

Shooting while handcuffed

The real issue is why a gun wasn't found AFTER two pat downs???

32 posted on 08/20/2012 11:01:28 AM PDT by texson66 (In the words of Kent Brockman, "As for myself, I welcome our new commie overlords...")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
where were the king and queen of arkincides and was this guy a democrap with loose lips?
33 posted on 08/20/2012 11:02:32 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: muir_redwoods
A drive by by a rival gang member

I thought of that too. Maybe not a rival, but a dealer who was worried that the 'kid' might rat him out. Question is how would a bystander be able to get to the police car and shoot a weapon without anyone hearing it? Secondly, how would be get the bullet to pass through the glass without breaking it ?

A murderous cop

Maybe. Based on the DASH CAM VIDEO (which seems to stop before Carter shoots himself), I don't see a bunch of 'hopped up' cops who can't wait to shoot somebody just for fun.

Until the dash cam video is released, they both sound more likely.

Jonesboro Police Release DashCam Footage Moments After Chavis Carter Shooting (VIDEO) (ALSO CONTAINS A TIMELINE OF THE EVENT)

Police in Jonesboro, Arkansas released two dash cam videos in the case of Chavis Carter

GOOGLE search of Chavis Carter lists dozens of location to find the videos.

34 posted on 08/20/2012 11:08:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: texson66

The demo video is bull hocky. When cops put cuffs on you they are so tight that it will cut your hand circulation. The cuffs will not slip up your arm, the cuffs will not go past your wrist bone and will allow only a tiny amount of movement of the hands. In the video provided it is simply silly to see the cuffs ridding up the forearm of the cops in the portrayal, silly and sickening. If you let me put the cuffs on I’ll guarantee they won’t be moving around like they did in the demo.

I’m not saying that it is impossible for the guy to shoot himself, that I don’t know the answer to, but the video demo is just plain silly.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 11:10:28 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Agree. Release the video.

Or maybe they haven’t had time to edit it yet.


36 posted on 08/20/2012 11:17:04 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Free ThinkerNY

To point out the rather disgustingly obvious, it would seem that the conclusive evidence here would be if the decedent’s feces was on the gun. If that is the case, all the rest is possible.

The gun is described as a “.380-caliber Cobra”. I gather semi-automatic as opposed to Derringer style. It is typically purchased as a small, concealable gun.

Lots more details:

http://www.kait8.com/story/19149968/arkansas-state-crime-lab-rules-chavis-carter-death-suicide


37 posted on 08/20/2012 11:17:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: JAKraig

The “tightness” of the cuffs has little to do with the ability to maneuver your hands. The factor determining that is the spacer between the cuffs. If that is the standard distance and the distance used on the the guy’s hands, then the JPD needs to review their cuff design.

Still I don’t see how they could miss a gun with two pat downs.


38 posted on 08/20/2012 11:28:50 AM PDT by texson66 (In the words of Kent Brockman, "As for myself, I welcome our new commie overlords...")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It could be he was holding himself hostage like in "Blazing Saddles" and accidentally shot himself... / S
39 posted on 08/20/2012 11:29:40 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: commonguymd

I had a friend that found himself in a nightmare scenario in Conroe, Texas, in the pre-concealed carry days.

He was handcuffed to the bench, inside the police office, but he still had a pistol hidden in his pants.

He said that he was quite concerned about how things would work out.


40 posted on 08/20/2012 11:33:42 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Two searches. First cursory search did not find weapon. Put him in the cruiser— he stashes the pistol. Second more thorough search— for sure not on him now. Cuff him put him back in... he picks up off floor and bends down and kaboom. It could (and apparently did) happen. All this with outstanding drug warrant known to the officers.. at least if any part of the article is correct.


41 posted on 08/20/2012 11:34:09 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Michael.SF.
They did. It's on thebalze.com
42 posted on 08/20/2012 11:44:55 AM PDT by tayper (Granny told me, Saying it don't make it so)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What a waste, who were those guys in the truck hurting?


43 posted on 08/20/2012 11:50:34 AM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: texson66

In Charlotte, a man named Calvin Christmas was cuffed and put in the back seat of a patrol car. He had been frisked by the policeman but ended up shooting the policeman in the back of the head with a gun he had well hidden and killed him. I remember this as the retrial happened when I first moved there. Everyone voted for the death penalty.

Except for the one black woman.

So he got life in prison instead. The jury sent flowers to the family as they were all so upset.

http://cmpd.police-memorial.com/lyles.htm


44 posted on 08/20/2012 12:04:20 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I seem to recall another AR suicide, where someone nearly hacked their own head off with a butcher knife or machete. And then there was the case where to boy fell asleep on some train tracks and was killed when he was run over by the train.

Mark

45 posted on 08/20/2012 12:35:04 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You got to love the hitters who were trained across the river in DC...


46 posted on 08/20/2012 1:43:50 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Are there THREE Fahmy Malak medical examiners now in Arkansas?


47 posted on 08/20/2012 2:33:59 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: beethovenfan

***Also, he fired the gun three times. Worst suicide case in memory.***

I remember a witness against Billy Sol Estes who shot himself several times in the stomach with a .22 rifle. Suicide they said.


48 posted on 08/20/2012 2:37:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sounds like Fahmy Malak is still Chief Medical Examiner in Arkansas...
49 posted on 08/20/2012 7:28:39 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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