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Former Marine Brandon Raub Sentenced To Up To 30 Days In Psych Ward Over Facebook Posts
http://www.businessinsider.com/former-marine-brandon-raub-is-being-held-in-a-psychiatric-ward-over-facebook-posts-about-911-2012-8#ixzz247Oa39GC ^ | 8/20/2012

Posted on 08/20/2012 1:02:58 PM PDT by LadyEleanor

The former Marine who was detained by the federal government over Facebook posts critical of the government is being held in a psychiatric ward, Peter Bacqué of the Richmond Times-Dispatch reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: facebook; fb; firstamendment; freespeech; marine; obama; psychiatry; psychward; raub; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 08/20/2012 1:03:07 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: LadyEleanor

The Soviet Union did the same thing.............


2 posted on 08/20/2012 1:09:16 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: LadyEleanor

Yhis is a bizarre story. Each authority denies it arrested him yet he ends up in a pysch hospital

The vid of him being arrested shows someone calm and not resisting.
very bizarre


3 posted on 08/20/2012 1:12:49 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: LadyEleanor
One time it would be nice for reporters to ask some basic follow up questions...

"We went out to interview him because of complaints that our office had received about people coming across his posts and perceiving them as threatening"

Q. What are the names of the people who complained?

Q. Which posts, specifically, were objectionable? What did they say?

Q. What or who, specifically, was threatened..and specifically how?

4 posted on 08/20/2012 1:14:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: LadyEleanor
This is basically a rehash of news from yesterday:

click here for yesterday's thread.

5 posted on 08/20/2012 1:17:55 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: LadyEleanor

No such thing as a former Marine.....


6 posted on 08/20/2012 1:21:37 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dirtboy

really dirtboy?
show me in yesterdays thread where it reportshe was represented by the Rutherdord institute
or show me where in yesterdays link it says that there was a 3 hour hearing TODAY. Monday
Now that would have been a good trick
to post news vbefore it happened.

No Dirtboy this is new news and updated.
but nice being snarky before you even read the link


7 posted on 08/20/2012 1:24:27 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: LadyEleanor

8 posted on 08/20/2012 1:34:14 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: LadyEleanor

9 posted on 08/20/2012 1:35:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: LadyEleanor

this is just one step away from people being “disappeared”......


10 posted on 08/20/2012 1:35:10 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: LadyEleanor

We’d all be in jail if this really was the reason.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 1:37:00 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: LadyEleanor

According to his mother Kathleen Thomas, Brandon Raub - who has served his nation in two wars - was hauled off by authorities from the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County PD, the Salemnews website reported.

FBI agent Sherry Grainger reportedly told Thomas her son was making “threats that were terrorist in nature”.

The writer of the story on the website described the affair as “Facebook Terrorism” stuff.

In reaction to her son’s arrest, the decorated Marine’s mother has called into question the freedom of speech in the United States.

Her remarks followed the abrupt arrest of Raub whose posts on Facebook have been under scrutiny. The case, experts say, is a flagrant indication of the US government’s strict control over social networking websites, above all Facebook.

Thomas said her son was questioned about why he was writing comments critical of the government.

“He basically said ‘I have some disagreements with the government and share this’, and they said, ‘You have to go with us’,” Thomas noted.

She added, “He was handcuffed, not read his rights, put into a Chesterfield Police Department vehicle and taken to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Virginia,” Thomas said.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/257250.html


12 posted on 08/20/2012 1:38:32 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: dirtboy

No, because today he went before a judge as the 72 hour hold was up and they were allowed to detain him for 30 more days.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 1:38:59 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: LadyEleanor
On the other threads I recounted how the Kennedy brothers (president JFK and U.S. attorney general RFK) did this to a conservative activist and former U.S. Army major general -- but they were opposed by both the Right and the ACLU.

Edwin Walker was freed after five days. What were Walker's misdeeds? None. All lies reported by the hostile press.. so heinous were the accusations in the press that Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to murder the former Army general in April of 1963.

Personally I am shocked at so many saying that the Marine deserves it.. doesn't anyone remember Richard Jewell and how he was "guilty" of the Atlanta bombing? BTW, I predicted that the FBI would grab the first "loser" and charge him with that crime.

Maybe the Marine is not merely speaking as a patriot.. did the Obama/Holder Dept. of Just Us have to go the route of the Kennedys and Stalin? What's with these rich and ideology-driven spoiled Demobrats?

14 posted on 08/20/2012 1:40:09 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: RWGinger
Actually, I got it off the support Raub Facebook page yesterday that Rutherford was involved.

Business Insider cites an old column for this story.

If there is a new news item in this, I stand corrected, but it read largely as a rehash.

15 posted on 08/20/2012 1:42:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: LadyEleanor

“they were allowed to detain him for 30 more days”

And “POOOF” goes his second amendment rights, he is no longer legally able to have a gun, which I think was the whole point of this. They can’t prove the terrorist threats but they can get him non-vol to a mental hospital quite easily and once that happens good bye guns!.


16 posted on 08/20/2012 1:43:50 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Makes me wonder why they were so worried about this guys posts.


17 posted on 08/20/2012 1:45:41 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: trapped_in_LA

Oh yeah, you are right.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
From the Rutherford statement:

In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration.

If there is no other item than his Facebook postings (such as threatening email), this IMO is an egrigious abuse of the law. I read every one of Raub's Facebook posts - they only go back to July or so. Only one could remotely be construed as a specific threat against individuals - and those were not named, just implied.

IMO this is gross overkill after Virginia Tech and the other shootings we've seen recently. I am glad Rutherford got involved with this. This kind of precedent needs to be nipped in the bud.

19 posted on 08/20/2012 1:50:31 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: All
Recommended reading ... Solzenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago"

The psych war in Communist Russia has dissenters being sent to Gulags ... to think things over.

20 posted on 08/20/2012 1:56:29 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Puppage

Murtha.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 1:56:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: BenLurkin; Travis McGee

Travis posted some lines from Raub’s FB page yesterday:

3) I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. 8/4/12

5) This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go **** [db edit] itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. 8/9/12

6) I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12

7) Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12


The one item I see as a potential threat is “This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you.”

But that is still something of a leap, as opposed to a posted threat to kill a specific figure such as a congresscritter.

I think this is a gross overreaction after Virginia Tech (this is happening in Virginia with new laws about involuntary commitment in play after that incident) and the recent shootings as well.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 1:57:04 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: LadyEleanor

The full Rutherford statement:

Former US Marine Brandon Raub ordered to remain in custody

CHESTERFIELD, VA— The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a former Marine, 26-year-old Brandon Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook page.

Although the FBI and Chesterfield County police have not charged Brandon Raub, a resident of Chesterfield County, Va., with committing any crime, they arrested Raub on Thursday, August 16, 2012, and transported him to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook (FB) posts were controversial and “terrorist in nature.” In a hearing held at the hospital, government officials disregarded Raub’s explanation that the Facebook posts were being interpreted out of context, sentencing him up to 30 days’ further confinement in a VA psych ward. In coming to Raub’s defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging Raub’s arrest and forcible detention, as well as the government’s overt Facebook surveillance and violation of Raub’s First Amendment rights.

“For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. “Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders.”

Brandon Raub, a former Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was detained by FBI agents and police officers at his home in Chesterfield County based upon the nature of content posted to his Facebook page in recent months. Like many Facebook users, Raub uses his FB page to post songs lyrics and air his political opinions, as well as engage in virtual online games with other users. On Thursday, August 16, police and FBI agents arrived at Raub’s home, asking to speak with him about his Facebook posts. They did not provide Raub with a search warrant. Raub was cooperative and agreed to speak with them.

Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and transported him first to the police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will. Outraged onlookers filmed the arrest and posted the footage to YouTube. Law enforcement officials have stated in press reports that Raub was not arrested. However, as attorney John Whitehead points out, if the police have put handcuffs on you and you’re being held against your will, that qualifies as an arrest.

In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration. Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact that the FB posts were being read out of context and his attorney’s First Amendment defense, the judge agreed that Raub should be incarcerated at a VA hospital for up to 30 more days. Rutherford Institute attorneys are working to challenge Raub’s detention and the highly unconstitutional nature of the government’s actions.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 2:06:22 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration.

Thanks for the information.

At the risk of riling the FReepers who hate me for too often criticizing a certain long-running, late-night "nonpartisan" radio show -- which I shall never mention again by name -- the host and guests of that show say those things all the time.

There have been no claims of the Bush family and molesting children but the Bush family is regularly blamed for everything else. So arrest George Noory and the produc.. uh, I mean . . . D'oh!

24 posted on 08/20/2012 2:06:23 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: LadyEleanor

The names of Raub and Lt. Col. Aikin( sp?) will live in history of the USA as victims of infamy as much as Pearl Harbor. All the people who came and helped escort Raub into custody must be recorded so that history can judge these as USA versions of the Gestapo or KGB. I’m constantly asking myself, as a WWII vet, how USA people cannot see such actions make them and their so called allegiances despicable to the freedom this Nation was founded on and I believed I fought for and my brother died for. I don’t need/tolerate any excuse for such actions.


25 posted on 08/20/2012 2:10:44 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: LadyEleanor

Just heard of this yesterday via a local Marine (my son’s friend) who was in the ‘stan with Brandon last year. Dang.


26 posted on 08/20/2012 2:25:29 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: dirtboy

If they can haul this guy away in handcuffs over these posts, how long before Palin is hauled away? How long before a freeper is hauled away?


27 posted on 08/20/2012 2:26:06 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: LadyEleanor; Albion Wilde

ping!


28 posted on 08/20/2012 2:28:38 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Terry Mross
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Guess they need to dig up TJ and put him in the psych ward. He is a Virginian, after all.

29 posted on 08/20/2012 2:28:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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Being held in a psych ward is harder to get out of than a jail. For instance, if you voluntarily commit yourself then change your mind, you must wait 72 hours. That gives them 72 hours to work on you.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 2:29:52 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: dirtboy

If those posts were what this is all about I expect they’ll be coming for a lot of FReepers before Nov.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 2:43:43 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Terry Mross

Ping for occurrence tracking.


32 posted on 08/20/2012 2:51:51 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: LadyEleanor

Let’s see, a guy makes some posts on Facebook that are a bit paranoid about the government. Government responds by showing up at his house and whisking him away to a psych ward without a warrant or hearing.

Yeah, that is really going to remedy his paranoid thoughts about the government.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 2:56:45 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: kcvl
"The case, experts say, is a flagrant indication of the US government’s strict control over social networking websites, above all Facebook."

Life imitates the Onion:

"CIA's 'Facebook' Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs"

34 posted on 08/20/2012 3:01:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Eagles6

Here is where I see the problem to be - from the local police report:

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/20/chesterfield-police-raub-resisted-officers-was-taken-for-evaluation/

Chesterfield Police assisted federal authorities in their efforts to interview Brandon J. Raub on Thursday, Aug. 16. After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation.

Chesterfield officers at the scene contacted Chesterfield Mental Health Crisis Intervention. Crisis workers recommended that police take Raub into custody and bring him in for evaluation.

Chesterfield police took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody.


So what is wrong with § 37.2-808 that someone who has not made a specific threat to anyone can be involuntarily committed?

This is why conservatives were very concerned about such laws in the first place - that political views would become grounds for commitment.

And I don’t agree with Raub at all, he’s a truther and I loathe truthers. But he has a right to post what he wants on a website that allows such.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 3:04:30 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: kcvl

“FBI agent Sherry Grainger reportedly told Thomas her son was making “threats that were terrorist in nature”.”

Then bring forth your CRIMINAL EVIDENCE, Book Him, and Indict Him!

Tossing him into a Psych Ward is a convenient way of Ruining Him, completely Outside of the Law! If you think it’s legal, Read the actual Federal Civil Rights Statutes.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C13.txt

It’s not just his 2nd Amendment Rights they stole, it’s #1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.


36 posted on 08/20/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Red Badger
"The Soviet Union did the same thing............. "

Very effectively...The 30's an 40's in particular.

Of course in the 30's, being committed to the asylum was just another route to the firing squads that purged 50-100 million terrorists who believed in freedom & liberty.

We can expect more and more of this once obamcare is running full tilt. A measure of a person's mental health will depend, first and foremost, on adherence to marxist ideology.

This does not bode well for the 90% of Freeperdom who aren't among the marxist moles who have trolled the bandwidth since the election of 2000.

37 posted on 08/20/2012 4:04:03 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well played. Well played indeed. I stand corrected.


38 posted on 08/20/2012 4:11:59 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: LadyEleanor

What a difference a year makes. Last year leftist government officials were applauding the Occupy movement, which made numerous terrorist threats against the banking industry. Even naming bankers by name.


39 posted on 08/20/2012 4:21:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: trapped_in_LA

“They can’t prove the terrorist threats but they can get him non-vol to a mental hospital quite easily and once that happens good bye guns!.”

So, what redress does this guy have? Can he sue for unlawful arrest, or did the judge just make it lawful? What do they have to do to legally take his guns? And if they do, what can he do to get his rights reinstated?


40 posted on 08/20/2012 7:26:55 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Boogieman

that is a very interesting observation. perhaps the charges will include 2nd degree irony.


41 posted on 08/20/2012 8:39:56 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tantaros: "Plainly put, Romney and Ryan can't push granny off the cliff. Obama beat them to it.")
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To: Bshaw

“So, what redress does this guy have?”

None really, the judge committed him once that happened I would imagine that they’ll force him to either transfer his guns to someone else or turn them in. He could always petition the governor for reinstatement of his rights but unless he is politically connected that’s a slim to none chance.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 10:01:44 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: mo

“this is just one step away from people being “disappeared”......”

That’s being overly charitable.

This IS people being disappeared.

“After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_jurisprudence

“The approach was soon applied to the way various legal actors—judges, lawyers, police officers, and expert witnesses—play their roles, suggesting ways of doing so that would diminish unintended antitherapeutic consequences and increase the psychological well-being of those who come into contact with these legal figures.”

What we Thought was our Legal System has been corrupted in all its branches. This is the State’s Police Power gone berserk.

Police are acting as Psychologists, NOT Law Enforcement Officers.

Police are making Pre Crime Detentions, and sentencing the Pre Criminal to Unconstitutional Bills of Pains and Penalties. It’s not new. It’s been going on for decades.

Psychology is not science. It’s an extralegal, back alley nightstick.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 8:52:04 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: dirtboy

This is the implementation of Class Warfare.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ted-nugent-comments-prompt-secret-service-investigation/2012/04/18/gIQA5vvcRT_story.html

Ted Nugent was Not dragged off to a Psych Ward because of his National Prominence and political connections.

If you tried the same thing, you Would be dragged off.


44 posted on 08/21/2012 9:28:27 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

““So, what redress does this guy have?”

None really”

You are correct. Once inside the shrinks Will declare him incurably, legally insane and it will take a moving of heaven and earth to get that lifted. The Courts routinely allow Shrinks to testify, which is an absolute joke.

http://www.amazon.com/Whores-Court-Psychiatric-Testimony-American/dp/0060391979/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345567208&sr=8-1&keywords=whores+of+the+court

The Psychological Arts are an openly hostile abomination diametrically opposed to every tenet of conservatism.

Carl Jung is their current Guru.

http://home.earthlink.net/~thetabus/eugenics/eutt-6.htm

“1939 An interview with psychiatrist Carl Jung is published in Hearst’s International- Cosmopolitan. In it, he calls Mussolini a man of style and good taste who was “warm and human.” About Hitler, he says, “There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. As somebody commented about him at the last Nuremberg party congress, since the time of Mohammed nothing like it has been seen in this world. This markedly mystic characteristic of Hitler’s is what makes him do things which seem to us illogical, inexplicable, curious and unreasonable...So you see, Hitler is a medicine man, a form of a spiritual vessel, a demi-deity or, even better, a myth.”

This anti-semitic Hitler worshipper, and his science, were researching seances.

http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/3847/the_occult_world_of_cg_jung.html

Want to know who Freud really was? English Prof. Frederick Crews is the go to guy.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=96726&sectioncode=26

How about Alfred Adler?

http://www.lifecourseinstitute.com/Adler.htm

The 3 of these A**holes are the founders of the art of Depth Psychology, upon which all the other subdivisions of psych are based or derived.

How about a page of quotes from the psych field?

http://psychquotes.com/

“Psychiatry’s Views on Conservatives

“In August 2003, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and the National Science Foundation (NSF) announced the results of their $1.2 million taxpayer-funded study. It stated, essentially, that traditionalists are mentally disturbed. Scholars from the Universities of Maryland, California at Berkeley, and Stanford had determined that social conservatives, in particular, suffer from ‘mental rigidity,’ ‘dogmatism,’ and ‘uncertainty avoidance,’ together with associated indicators for mental illness.”

Source: B.K. Eakman, Chronicles, October 2004, pp. 28-29.
“Political conservatism as motivated social cognition” By Jost, John T.; Glaser, Jack; Kruglanski, Arie W.; Sulloway, Frank J. APA Psychological Bulletin, May 2003, Vol 129(3), p 339-375”


45 posted on 08/21/2012 9:44:20 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: dirtboy

I agree.


46 posted on 08/21/2012 1:20:09 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: trapped_in_LA

Looks like that “slim chance” worked out for Raub after all!

Redress is on the way methinks.

Good for him!


47 posted on 08/26/2012 9:16:50 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Bshaw

I’m glad it has worked for him, if not for the publicity he’d still be in that mental ward.


48 posted on 08/27/2012 7:56:39 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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