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Allen West also comes out against Akin
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Posted on 08/20/2012 2:46:40 PM PDT by TheBigB

Last week my opponent put out a tv ad depicting me beating women. That ad is disgraceful and despicable. As a husband and father of two daughters, I found Congressman Todd Akin’s comments about rape to be in the same vein. These comments are simply unacceptable. There is no place in politics for these type of comments and attitudes toward women.


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IBTFFCAWAR (In Before The First Freeper Calling Allen West A RINO)
1 posted on 08/20/2012 2:46:41 PM PDT by TheBigB
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To: TheBigB

OK. But what does Jim Thompson think?


2 posted on 08/20/2012 2:47:29 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: TheBigB

Allen West is a cowardly RINO “bed-wetter” Communist.

I think I covered the spread here for bean-dog and the other few “defend Akin at all costs” posters left.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 2:49:33 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: TheBigB

The guy clearly meant to say “legitimate CLAIM of rape” i.e. forcible rape as opposed to several kinds of things which nobody would have been charged for in 1960 and most people wouldn’t even have called rape; but the phraseology was so abominable as to disqualify anybody using it in public from any sort of high office.


4 posted on 08/20/2012 2:50:03 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: TheBigB; SoFloFreeper

So is Allen West a bed wetter too?


5 posted on 08/20/2012 2:50:58 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: varmintman
... but the phraseology was so abominable as to disqualify anybody using it in public from any sort of high office.

So the lesson is; keep your mouth shut and just stick cigars in your intern's twat.
The press will love you!

6 posted on 08/20/2012 2:55:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TheBigB

“There is no place in politics for ... women.” Allen West

Hey, he said it. He’s a mysogynist too! (As well as a drunken, bed-wetting, nose-picking RINO.)


7 posted on 08/20/2012 2:56:15 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: TheBigB

Akin is done, when you lose Allen West, it’s over.


8 posted on 08/20/2012 2:56:31 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: varmintman

Why would you even want to get into that discussion regarding what are legitimate and what aren’t legitimate claims of rape.

Unless they are condemning it, I don’t want to hear any other GOP male politicians talking about a rape or a female’s reproductive system for the rest of the year. It’s a lose-lose topic at this point, especially with the tremendous Democrat vulnerability on the economy. These distractions are not needed.


9 posted on 08/20/2012 2:58:13 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: TheBigB

Democrats and the media finally have a gaffe they can latch on to like leeches.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 2:58:25 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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”One of the critical issues that we have to confront is illegal immigration, because this is a multi-headed Hydra that affects our economy, our health care, our education systems, our national security, and also our local criminality.”

~Allen West

From Wikipedia:
Allen West: Military service
Allegiance: United States of America
Service/branch: United States Army
Years of service: 1982–2004, 22 years
Rank: Lieutenant Colonel
Commands: 2nd Battalion, 20th Field Artillery, 4th Infantry Division
Battles/wars: Operation Desert Storm
Operation Iraqi Freedom
Awards: Bronze Star
Meritorious Service Medal
Army Commendation Medal
Army Achievement Medal



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11 posted on 08/20/2012 2:58:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Melas
I doubt any of the freeper name callers would do it to his face.
12 posted on 08/20/2012 2:59:46 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: TheBigB

When even the best of the best of conservatives says it is over, it is over.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 3:01:13 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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Per HUMAN EVENTS: Source: Rep Todd Akin to hold a prayer vigil, decide his Senate race future tonight.
14 posted on 08/20/2012 3:03:33 PM PDT by TheBigB (Hippie liberal chick: "What do I do about birth control?" Me: "Just use your personality.")
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To: Tex-Con-Man

No doubt. I have a rep for standing up to just about anyone, but I have a strong hunch Allen West could stop my ass into the ground.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 3:04:20 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: wastedyears

This was no gaffe. Putting an e on potato is a gaffe. A comment from which the logical conclusion is that if a woman is a pregnant, then it wasn’t legitimate rape, is political suicide.


16 posted on 08/20/2012 3:07:51 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Biggirl

Queue up John Madden.

“Call in the dogs, put out the fire, the hunt’s over.”


17 posted on 08/20/2012 3:12:29 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: smoothsailing

Wiser words have never been typed smoothsailing, now that Akin has lost the BLACK, bed-wetting vote, he is TOAST.

He should resign his campaign and consider a gig subbing for BOR since he also loves to Bloviate about things that don’t pertain to his realm of knowledge!


18 posted on 08/20/2012 3:20:53 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: varmintman
The guy clearly meant to say “

I stopped there. That's the problem. We have another "what he meant to say" candidate.

I'm sure he's a good man. He's just not able to communicate his thoughts in an articulate way and THAT is the problem.

19 posted on 08/20/2012 3:25:31 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: smoothsailing
We have a choice to make. Keep this man and lose this seat which is inevitable or find a conservative candidate to replace him.

Deadline tomorrow.

20 posted on 08/20/2012 3:28:34 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: tumblindice

Hey, I’m a broad, am I’m beginning to think there’s no place in politics for woman.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 3:38:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: PhxTM06

“Legitimate” is just a stupid choice of words.

“Actual incidents of rape” or such and he could have gotten away with it.

Still, it says a lot that he’s never been coached or thought the issue through enough to give a well worded answer to the oldest and most cliched trap in the book.

That tells me he’s never had to run against a real democrat in his entire life, that he’s only has campaign experience in a conservative district where abortion isn’t an issue that will be brought up because the district is pro-life.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 3:38:16 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: smoothsailing

Why? Why? Why? Jerk Akin basically said that there are some rapes that are false claims. We all know about the lady who gets drunk, sleeps with the wrong guy, and wakes up and cries rape. We here at FR have been writing about it for years!

And during some rapes (as well as in marriage and dating) there is sometimes a physical shutdown of a woman’s vagina that does not allow penetration. We used to call it frigidity. But, in fact, it is the body protecting itself.

Look, the guy was inarticulate (he’s a Republican, after all) but let’s not throw him under the bus.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 3:46:12 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: tsowellfan

The deadline is 5PM CST. I vote in PA, so I’ll defer to Missourians.

If it was my call, however, I’d want Sarah Steelman. Endorsed by Sarah Palin and the TEA Party Express, she is Claire-a-bell’s worst nightmare, IMO.


24 posted on 08/20/2012 3:48:17 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Melas
This was no gaffe. Putting an e on potato is a gaffe. A comment from which the logical conclusion is that if a woman is a pregnant, then it wasn’t legitimate rape, is political suicide.

You are correct. But if joe biden had said it the msm would be making excuses and burying the story.

I donated to Sarah Steelman but thought Akin was a good guy.

He is too stupid to take up space in the 2012 race.

25 posted on 08/20/2012 3:53:15 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Look, the guy was inarticulate (he’s a Republican, after all) but let’s not throw him under the bus.

He's already under the bus, nothing we can do about it.

Just read that the TEA Party Express has asked him to step aside also.

It's snowballed fast, he's done.

26 posted on 08/20/2012 3:53:26 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: PhxTM06
All of this piling on is a political calculation that the only way the Reps can win in Missouri is to get someone else. It has nothing to do with what was actually said, but how it will play in the Senate race.

I really can't understand the GOP, which eats its own. A mere statement, which Akin apologized for is sufficient to draw a mob that denounces him with some calling for his to withdraw from the race. Is it any wonder that the Dems think they can force the Reps to cower in the corner about every phrase they may utter. No wonder they are afraid to go after Obama's personal narrative whether it is his BC, school transcripts, etc.

In the meantime, we have Ted Kennedy leaving a girl to drown in a car he was driving, Clinton molesting women in the WH and raping one, and Rangel and Geitner filing false tax returns. So what is the Dem response. They support their own thru thick and thin.

Remember that crowd fronm Congress that went down to the WH to support Clinton after he was impeached? And now Clinton is primed to speak as a Party elder at the convention. Contrast that with the Palin has been treated by the GOP--not even being allowed to speak despite all of the grassroots activity she did in support of GOP candidates and fundraising. The GOP is afraid that Palin will be a liability.

The GOP deserves no loyalty when they treat their own this way. Remember how Trent Lott was demoted when he misspoke at a birthday party. Akin did not kill or rape anyone. He did not pull the race card like Biden. And you know after all of this, McCaskill could still win even if Akin is replaced or she could lose even if Akin stays. Anyone looking at Akins public record in its totality will see that he is a strong conservative (lifetime ACU rating of 97.) This is another "macaca moment" and the GOP blinks again.

27 posted on 08/20/2012 4:01:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
In the meantime, we have Ted Kennedy leaving a girl to drown in a car he was driving, Clinton molesting women in the WH and raping one, and Rangel and Geitner filing false tax returns. So what is the Dem response. They support their own thru thick and thin.

That is what makes the Democrats so contemptible. I'd like to think that the conservatives hold themselves to higher standards.

28 posted on 08/20/2012 4:05:43 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: corbe

Akin was born in New York City, the son of Nancy Perry (née Bigelow) and Rev. Paul Bigelow Akin. He moved to St. Louis and attended John Burroughs School. After graduating, he attended the Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Worcester, Massachusetts where he earned a degree in management engineering, and in 1984 he earned a Master of Divinity degree at Covenant Theological Seminary in St. Louis. During college he was member of Phi Gamma Delta fraternity.

From 1972 to 1980, Akin served in the Missouri National Guard. After his military career, he took up work at IBM as an engineer and later became a manager at Laclede Steel Company.

Akin was elected to the Missouri House of Representatives in 1988, representing Town and Country and much of West County. He won re-election in 1990 (59%), 1992 (100%), 1994 (70%), 1996 (67%), and 1998 (66%). 12 years in the state house, Akin voted for carrying concealed weapons, voted against the parks and soils sales tax, voted against the 1993 tax increase and education spending increase. Akin sponsored legislation to prohibit casino companies from contributing to Missouri state lawmakers. In 1995, he fought Democrat Governor Mel Carnahan on state-funding for abortion, which Akin opposed.

In 2000, Republican U.S. Representative Jim Talent vacated the seat in his unsuccessful run for Governor of Missouri. Akin won a closely contested Republican primary election to replace Talent, defeating former St. Louis County Executive Gene McNary and State Senator Franc Flotron. He defeated Democratic State Senator Ted House in the general election, winning 55 percent of the vote. He never faced another contest even that close, and was reelected five times.

In 2010, Akin won re-election with 67.9% of the vote. He had been challenged for the seat by Democratic nominee Arthur Lieber, Libertarian nominee Steve Mosbacher, and write-in candidate Patrick M. Cannon.

Akin has a lifetime ACU rating of 97.24.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 4:07:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Allen West Calls Trayvon Martin Shooting an ‘Outrage’ and Endorses Federal Investigation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2862676/posts


30 posted on 08/20/2012 4:09:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: smoothsailing

That’s really stupid. He said something dopey and inarticulate (Biden, anyone?); but we perfect Tea Partiers would rather throw him under the bus and end up with a lib in power.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 4:10:20 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: SamAdams76
I am so tired of this higher standard BS. This has nothing to do with standards, but rather, a political calculation. Does someone with Akin's record and background deserve to be castigated and banished for making a verbal gaffe?

There is a reason the GOP is called the Stupid Party. This election will be one of the nastiest and divisive this country will ever have. Obama and his thugs will pull no punches and spare nothing to win. They are bare knuckle street fighters intent on destroying the opposition.

If the GOP conducts the 2012 campaign like it did in 2008, it will lose again and continue to lose. No personal attacks on Obama. No questions about his associations with terrorists and communists. No attacks on his personal narrative. I guess the GOP can sit back on its smug high standards and feel superior in defeat. The only problem is that if we lose this election, it is game, set, and match for the country.

32 posted on 08/20/2012 4:15:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: miss marmelstein

The GOPe isn’t called The Stupid Party for nothing.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 4:16:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: kabar

Anthony Weiner was tossed by the Dem establishment.

Akin is just a bonehead . . There are plenty of conservatives in Missouri that can do better. There is no need to circle the wagons around him.


34 posted on 08/20/2012 4:17:00 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: trisham

I hope and pray I will one day have a chance to cast a presidential vote for that man. I really believe he’s the most honorable person in D.C.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 4:23:47 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: kabar
You forgot 'don't use 0bama's middle name' tossing conservative talk show host Bill Cunningham under the bus. From the top of the ticket no less.
36 posted on 08/20/2012 4:24:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: StevenFlorida
Anthony Weiner was tossed by the Dem establishment.

And you are comparing a verbal gaffe with Weiner sending out pictures of his weiner? No doubt Weiner will be rehabilitated by the Dems in much the same way that Eliot Spitzer and Clinton were.

Loyalty begets loyalty. Join the rabid herd stampeded by the MSM to destroy someone who had an exemplary record and strong sense of decency. Maybe the Left and the MSM don't like him because of his religiousity. Sort of like that head of Chick fil A who had skewed family values, i.e., he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman No wonder Rahm Emanuel said he didn't have Chicago values.

37 posted on 08/20/2012 4:25:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TheBigB
Allen West on the Issues:
Voted YES on banning federal health coverage that includes abortion.

Congressional Summary: Prohibits the expenditure of federal funds for any abortion.

Prohibits federal funds from being used for any health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion. (Currently, federal funds cannot be used for abortion services and health plans must keep federal funds segregated from any funds for abortion services.)

Disallows any tax benefits for amounts paid or incurred for an abortion.

Provides exceptions for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest; or life-endangering maternal condition. http://ontheissues.org/FL/Allen_West_Abortion.htmj [emphasis;mine]

Possibly Akin tweaked a nerve with West and others who don't understand the full scope of unborn LIFE.
38 posted on 08/20/2012 4:28:49 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: kabar
This is not a "gaffe" or a jumble of misspoken words. This isn't like Dan Quayle spelling potato with an "e" or Sarah Palin fumbling over what books she recently read. Otherwise, I'd be defending him.

What Akin basically said was that any woman claiming her pregnancy was due to rape is lying because if it was a "legitimate" rape, her female body would have found ways to prevent the pregnancy from happening. I don't know, maybe Akin thinks the female body produces some sort of "sperm-killing" bacteria or something.

No matter how you slice it, this is kooky stuff and not something conservatives need to be defending for the next 11 weeks when they should be focused on building on their 2010 victories and taking this nation back. Akins can spout his nonsense on Art Bell while we put a responsible adult in charge of winning the Missouri senate seat.

39 posted on 08/20/2012 4:29:57 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SunkenCiv

Good catch. I had missed that story.


40 posted on 08/20/2012 4:30:55 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: SamAdams76
What Akin basically said was that any woman claiming her pregnancy was due to rape is lying because if it was a "legitimate" rape, her female body would have found ways to prevent the pregnancy from happening.

You are spewing absolute bovine excrement. He said NO such thing. You are totally interpreting his statement your own way. There is nothing in his words that implies what you're saying and any sensible person who isn't out to destroy him or his pro-life positions politically should know that.

There is an article out there from a doctor saying the trauma of a violent rape would make it harder for a woman's hormones to allow a pregnancy to happen. Dispute it if you want, but that is what he was talking about, not about people "lying" about being raped. That is total made-up nonsense with no plausible connection to anything Akin said at all.

41 posted on 08/20/2012 4:33:23 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Melas

Declared bed wetters: Sen. Johnson, Allen West, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, numerous freepers... not really bad company to be in.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 4:35:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 77 days away.)
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To: SamAdams76
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/492/26/

Assault Rape Pregnancies Are Rare

In cases of rape, the rate of pregnancy is actually very rare. This is due to several factors which may affect conception. The victim is in immense emotional shock and her body in turn is affected. Statistics show that the rate of miscarriage is higher in these circumstances. A major factor contributing to the rare occurrence of conception in cases of rape is psychological trauma. Stress has been known to alter bodily functions, the menstrual cycle included. And in order for a woman to conceive a complex blend of hormones must be formed. The production of these certain hormones is easily affected by emotions, in which of course the rape itself factors in greatly. Hence, the chances of actual conception—ovulation, fertilization, implantation—for the rape victim are considerably lowered.

43 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:23 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: smoothsailing

Inarticulate? No, he just let us know that he has fuzz for brains. I wouldn’t want him for a senator.

Men do have a tendency to stick up for other men and blame the victim. I would never vote for such a man. There is no excuse, men, for taking advantage of any woman, drunk or not. No excuse!

And those men here who have articulated on women’s anatomy during or after rape are just as silly. They are showing their ignorance


44 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:34 PM PDT by Latecomer
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To: miss marmelstein

I thought all along it made sense to run a conservative woman against Claire McCaskill. I was hoping it would be Sarah Steelman. But it wasn’t my call, I vote in PA.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: SamAdams76
This is the correct link for that quote.

http://www.troubledteensinfo.com/Teenage_Sexuality/Teen_Pregnancy/Psychological_Effects_of_Teen_Rape_and_Abortion/

46 posted on 08/20/2012 4:38:09 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: kabar
I really can't understand the GOP, which eats its own. A mere statement, which Akin apologized for is sufficient to draw a mob that denounces him with some calling for his to withdraw from the race.

Part of it is RINOs who will take any opportunity to throw Christian conservatives under the bus. This was why Christine O'Donnell was treated like she was from the very second she won the primary.

Another part is many more people than one would expect having difficulty actually hearing, understanding and interpreting language correctly. It's one reason Obama won the election. People saw meanings in his words that weren't really there. I'm still trying to figure out why everyone thought Romney introduced Paul Ryan as the next "president" when he clearly said "vice president" the first time, making that not a gaffe at all.

47 posted on 08/20/2012 4:42:13 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Melas
This was no gaffe. Putting an e on potato is a gaffe. A comment from which the logical conclusion is that if a woman is a pregnant, then it wasn’t legitimate rape, is political suicide.
He misspoke, and he apologized. Do you believe women should have the choice to abort their child if they've been raped? (ANY type of rape.)
48 posted on 08/20/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: SamAdams76
What Akin basically said was that any woman claiming her pregnancy was due to rape is lying because if it was a "legitimate" rape, her female body would have found ways to prevent the pregnancy from happening. I don't know, maybe Akin thinks the female body produces some sort of "sperm-killing" bacteria or something.

Do you really think that is what he believes? Did you hear his apology?

"What I said was ill-conceived, and it was wrong," Akin said on former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's radio show Monday. "I really just want to apologize to those that I've hurt."

"The controversy started after Akin, a six-term Missouri conservative now running against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, was asked in a local interview on Sunday whether he would support abortions for women who have been raped.

"It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin said in the interview. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said of a rape victim's chances of becoming pregnant.

Some liberals tried to tie other Republicans to Akin's comments, noting that Romney's running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, co-sponsored an abortion-related bill with Akin that would have limited federal funding for abortions to victims of forcible rape," rather than just rape. The FBI's definition of rape is known as "forcible rape," and it is used to distinguish between statutory rape and other kinds of rape.

Huckabee asked Akin whether he was talking about "forcible rape" when he used the term "legitimate rape."

"I was talking about forcible rape, and it was absolutely the wrong word," Akin said.

Akin said he understands that women can become pregnant from rape. "I didn't mean to imply that wasn't the case," he said. "That does happen."

No matter how you slice it, this is kooky stuff and not something conservatives need to be defending for the next 11 weeks when they should be focused on building on their 2010 victories and taking this nation back. Akins can spout his nonsense on Art Bell while we put a responsible adult in charge of winning the Missouri senate seat.

Do you really believe that the Dems will not go after any Rep who believes that abortion is wrong even in the case of rape and incest? Paul Ryan will be the next target as indicated above. Akin should have said "forcible" rape, not legitimate rape. Regardless, he made a verbal gaffe,

What I don't understand is why West would drag Akin into charges against him. Akin is a fellow Rep colleague in the House. Why diss him? Is it necessary to kick him when he is down? Just say nothing.

49 posted on 08/20/2012 4:44:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: JediJones
Well here are Akins words verbatim concerning rape victims who become pregnant:

“It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try shut that whole thing down.”

Now if you want to defend that, be my guest. But you will have about as much success as Obama did when he tried to walk back his "You didn't build that" comment.

Like I said, this is wacky Art Bell stuff and we don't need this distraction in what is the most important election season of our lives. Even if Akin merely chose his words poorly, it reinforces my contention that he should drop out and let somebody run in his place who can choose his or words more carefully. If we are going to take back the senate, we need some ready for prime time players here.

50 posted on 08/20/2012 4:45:02 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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