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Doctor secretly denied 12-year-old trauma victim food and water
Spero News ^ | 8/20/12 | Martin Barillas

Posted on 08/20/2012 2:57:24 PM PDT by AstralisLux

A doctor at Cook Children's Medical Center in Fort Worth, Texas denied a 12-year-old gun-shot victim food and water and slipped a "do not resuscitate" order in the patient's chart, without the parents' knowledge. In Texas, the doctors' actions are protected by law. Now the patient is facing a so-called death panel where the doctor and hospital will give the patient and patient's family ten days to find another healthcare facility or they will stop treating the patient.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deathpanel; dnr; euthanasia; healthcare; obamacare; obamacaredeathpanel; rationing; texas
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1 posted on 08/20/2012 2:57:33 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

WHAT?

Is this real?


2 posted on 08/20/2012 3:04:54 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

This is real. Read the whole story.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 3:06:03 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

I did. I can’t see why the parents can’t get a court order overriding the NDR protocol based on grossly improper administrative and medical procedure.


4 posted on 08/20/2012 3:07:56 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: AstralisLux; Dr. Brian Kopp; wagglebee; narses

I really wish this was satire, but after 15 years of nursing, I believe this stuff IS actually happening. What an outrage!! The next time someone tells me Texas is such a great place, I’m going to inform them that hospitals in that state are empowered to pull the plug regardless of patient’s or families’ wishes.


5 posted on 08/20/2012 3:08:17 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: AstralisLux

I am extremely skeptical. They name names of everyone BUT the actual doctor.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 3:09:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AstralisLux

Cooks Hospital is an institution in Fort Worth. This is why they are forcing doctors to move to hospitals instead of private practice. The death panels have started only with the young at least what we know.

Obama and his group should be tried for treason.


7 posted on 08/20/2012 3:13:56 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Spktyr

It’s hard to believe but it’s real. Texas Right to Life isn’t making this up.

The name of the doctor will eventually be made public but right now he’s “caring” for the boy. People are being cautious.


8 posted on 08/20/2012 3:17:41 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: Talisker

Because Texas law allows the doctor to do this. The law was passed when Bush was governor. The medical lobby in Texas is very powerful so it’s hard to get it reversed.


9 posted on 08/20/2012 3:19:44 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: surroundedbyblue
The next time someone tells me Texas is such a great place, I’m going to inform them that hospitals in that state are empowered to pull the plug regardless of patient’s or families’ wishes.

There are many, many good things about Texas. However, there are some really powerful folks and groups that hold a lot of sway over things. Texas legal and medical lobbies are two such groups.
10 posted on 08/20/2012 3:26:12 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: AstralisLux

Well you said it better than I did.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 3:27:15 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: AstralisLux

Only in America!


12 posted on 08/20/2012 3:29:21 PM PDT by mtg
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To: AstralisLux

I’m not familiar with Spero News, but this is highly suspect. Given that some parts of the story make no medical sense whatsoever, I’m highly suspicious.

1, The article claims that an EEG found that his brain was intact. EEG’s cannot find that your brain is intact. His brain is not intact. There is no question on this as a surgeon has removed part of it.

2, The article reference the Texas Right to Life organization. TRL has absolutely nothing on their website, which seems out of place since TRL is quick to put actionable stories on it’s website.

3, The story makes several claims about the progress of Zach Fernandez up to August 13th. He was admitted the 6th, and on the 15th the hospital released a report that his condition was unchanged and that he’d made no improvement.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 3:31:38 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses; Salvation

This is hideous. Moral Absslutes do apply in this case.


14 posted on 08/20/2012 3:32:35 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Spktyr

There is a lot wrong with this story. Your skepticism is warranted.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 3:33:34 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: surroundedbyblue; TeĆ³filo; Cronos; wagglebee; dsc; Deo volente; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; ...
Yes, indeed, this stuff is happening.

I just did a show on the euthanasia movement on EWTN Radio on Saturday, if anyone is interested:

The Good Fight - The Growing Euthanasia Movement, Saturday, August 18, 2012, Barbara McGuigan w/ Dr. Brian Kopp

16 posted on 08/20/2012 3:33:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: AstralisLux
Note to the doctor: The Lord will not be secret about His prescription. Prepare yourself.

5.56mm

17 posted on 08/20/2012 3:33:40 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: AstralisLux

Show me where TRL is making the statement. I went to TRL’s website and found nothing, and they’re known for being current. If I missed it, I’ll gladly admit my mistake.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 3:34:47 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Talisker

Now you know why the Republicans don’t make a bigger issue of Obama’s death panels. This has been quietly going on in this country for a few decades. Remember Terry Schiavo?


19 posted on 08/20/2012 3:35:23 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: AstralisLux

Its cases like this that make it extremely irritating when my country (Britain) is compared to the Soviet Union/Logans Run/Solyent Green etc for having an NHS. Death panels apparently exist under private healthcare too. At least the NHS is directly accountable to an elected government instead of unaccountable shareholders...


20 posted on 08/20/2012 3:36:50 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: surroundedbyblue

Maybe you should examine the conditions in which a physician can insert an IHDNR before you start jumping to conclusions? I realize it’s not nearly as fun as shooting from the hip but...


21 posted on 08/20/2012 3:38:16 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

Is it an actionable item?

The Texas Right to Life spokesperson in the video is the same one on their website.

The hospital obviously states he’s made no improvement. They want him dead and gone. They’ve been saying he’ll never live — that’s the point of the story. This is a decision the family needs to make, not a doctor.

The article says they wanted his organs before he improved and started to breathe on his own.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 3:41:10 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Its cases like this that make it extremely irritating when my country (Britain) is compared to the Soviet Union/Logans Run/Solyent Green etc for having an NHS. Death panels apparently exist under private healthcare too. At least the NHS is directly accountable to an elected government instead of unaccountable shareholders...

What is this? Mouth off without the facts day? What freakin' shareholders would these be? Cook Children’s Health Care System is a not-for-profit, nationally recognized pediatric health care organization comprised of eight entities – a Medical Center, Physician Network, Home Health company, Northeast Hospital, Pediatric Surgery Center, Health Plan, Health Services Inc., and Health Foundation.

23 posted on 08/20/2012 3:42:03 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: AstralisLux

You might want to check that - entirely aside from the lack of names, IHDNRs are not that easy to ‘slip in’. Not even in Texas.


24 posted on 08/20/2012 3:42:19 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AstralisLux

The TRL doesn’t have this on their web site. Please provide a citation from TRL.


25 posted on 08/20/2012 3:44:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

It’s very easy and happens all the time:

http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/886/Defeating-death-panel-rhetoric


26 posted on 08/20/2012 3:46:29 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux
The doctors told them that his prognosis for survival was poor and encouraged them to sign an organ donation consent form. They nearly did, but then discovered after an EEG that Zach's brain was, in fact, intact. Cook officials said that there must have been miscommunication between the two hospitals. But on August 13, the hospital convened an "ethics panel", a legal entity where under Texas law medical officials can make a decision that care would be futile to restore the quality of a patient's life. If they decide care would be futile, the hospital can terminate care after 10 days.

Looks to me like the doctor jumped the gun and denied life sustaining treatment too early in an attempt to cover a bad medical diagnosis.

27 posted on 08/20/2012 3:48:38 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Spktyr

Why would they cite it? I don’t know if they post all these cases. Apparently they do not.

But the spokesperson in the video is the same one that appears in other videos on TRL’s website. I checked.

Take a look at the video in the article and then see the same person in TRL’s video:

http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/922/Watch-Election-fraud-in-Texas


28 posted on 08/20/2012 3:48:55 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

I am skeptical. First, because this is not a “news source”. It is some blog-like internet entity.

Second, because this story did get news play. The boy was shot, and there was a big rally for him. But there is nothing in the same news outlets about the hospital denying treatment. While i could theorize news organizations ignoring a story, it is rare for them to run stories about things like this, and then fail to follow up when things change.

I’ve read articles from several different days after the shooting, and they are all positive articles about the boy’s progress, and none of them mention any requests to terminate the boy. It seems highly unlikely they this is happening and none of the news outlets who have been following the story would mention it, and not even in the COMMENTS of those news articles are people who claim to know the family mentioning it.

There are other oddities. their two boys, 8 and 12, were in the back of a car with “family members” when a drug deal went bad. The 8-year-old is under CPS control, although he is now living with other “family members”. Why not with the parents? I don’t trust CPS, but there is something going on here.

And this entire “article” is written from the statements made by the parents. I know it is written to look like reporting, but if you read it carefully, you see that everything told to you is from something the parents said, either to the reporter, or to friends who then talked to the reporter.

So we just don’t know if any of the story is true or not. It could all be true, or some could be true.

Given that they had a rally for the boy, you’d think that if he was about to be executed, that would end up in a real news outlet.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 3:52:59 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Melas

Shooting from the hip, huh?

Well, according to the article, this goes beyond a physician slipping in a DNR. This child was being denied food & water. That, in my book, constitutes active euthanasia. Starving & dehydrating a human being is murder.

And as far as your comment regarding an EEG not indicating that a brain is “intact” I think you’re reading into that statement. The EEG indicates that there is brain function. An absent EEG constitutes brain death, at which time it would have been appropriate to discuss removal of “life support” and/or organ donation. So, in the sense of whether or not the brain is functioning, it is “intact”. This child not only had activity on EEG, but, as the story indicates, did not even require the assistance of mechanical ventilation after a few days.

You seem a-ok with a physician cutting the parents of a minor totally out of medical decision-making, and actively euthanizing a child.

I will pray that the scales fall from your eyes & you get some moral clarity.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 3:53:18 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

A real news outlet? Like MSNBC?


31 posted on 08/20/2012 3:55:19 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux
They’ve been saying he’ll never live — that’s the point of the story

Big-Country-12-year-old-who-was-shot-in-head-making-progress:

A family member of Zachary Fernandez, a 12-year-old who was shot in the head earlier this month, said he is making progress.
well-wishers-pack-anson-stadium-to-pray-for-boy:
Three days after a shooting in a west Abilene neighborhood that wounded two children, 12-year-old Zach Fernandez is showing signs of improvement at Cook's Children's Medical Center in Fort Worth, while his brother, Angelo Fernadez, 8, remains in Child Protective Services custody, according to family members.
... Tommie Nix, Zach's great-grandmother, said she visited her grandson on Wednesday, and said doctors have told her family that they think Zach will "pull through."
OK, maybe the great-grandmother was lying. But she SAYS that the doctors told her they think Zach will "pull through". That's a lot different from this article's claim that the doctors never had hope and told them to pull the plug.

The article says they wanted his organs before he improved and started to breathe on his own.

The article says the PARENTS SAID the hospital wanted his organs. THe great-grandmother said the doctors had hope and thought he would pull through. Those statements seem to be contradictory.

32 posted on 08/20/2012 4:01:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rushmom

“This has been quietly going on in this country for a few decades. Remember Terry Schiavo?”

Indeed. I also remember Governor Jeb Bush and the Republican Congress harumphing to the rescue for a couple of news cycles before going back to business as usual.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 4:04:03 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You don’t know what doctor she’s talking about. There are two hospitals involved. Also, many people talk to nurses or other staff members and think they’re doctors.


34 posted on 08/20/2012 4:05:10 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

“Looks to me like the doctor jumped the gun and denied life sustaining treatment too early in an attempt to cover a bad medical diagnosis.”

More likely they figure there is a lot of brain damage even if he does recover and they would rather harvest his organs.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 4:08:00 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You posted two links to stories that happened five or more days ago. One article even had comments shut off. There has been many more developments in this story as Spero News indicated. That’s the most up-to-date source of news. Contesting their news with old stories doesn’t make sense.


36 posted on 08/20/2012 4:09:53 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: Melas

Well, regardless, it looks like they’re still engaging in healthcare rationing, without even the mitigation of having any semblance of democratic accountability...


37 posted on 08/20/2012 4:10:23 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Psalm 144

“More likely they figure there is a lot of brain damage even if he does recover and they would rather harvest his organs.”

Absolutely!


38 posted on 08/20/2012 4:11:08 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

Anyone can suspend a DNR in this State merely by saying “work him” or whatever.


39 posted on 08/20/2012 4:11:38 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: AstralisLux

A news outlet like a place that has reporters and checks facts and talks to principles.

Like a local news outlet. This was a pretty big story and it appeared in print and on TV stations.

Who knows? I tried several search engines, and couldn’t find ANY web references to the boy being denied medical treatment (heck, not even the spero news story is coming up on the searches, which is kind of weird).


40 posted on 08/20/2012 4:11:46 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

btt


41 posted on 08/20/2012 4:12:06 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Spero News released it today as “Breaking News” in an email alert.

You know, maybe they’re the first?

I like your healthy skepticism, but I’m familiar with Texas death panels and I know this is true. There are many similar cases and they all follow the same pattern.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 4:18:28 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“A news outlet like a place that has reporters and checks facts and talks to principles. Like a local news outlet. This was a pretty big story and it appeared in print and on TV stations.”

Doctors and hospitals don’t talk about these issues. HIPPA.


43 posted on 08/20/2012 4:19:43 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

Spero News isn’t a news outlet. It does news analysis.

They had no new information. They have a story told by the parents. Parents who currently don’t have custody of their 8-year-old. Parents who had two children involved in a drug-related shooting.

The earlier articles talk about things that happened earlier. The Spero News article speaks aobut things that happened at the same EARLIER time. Those two versions don’t match. The spero news isn’t saying the parents learned about the request for organs later.

That is the most obvious and glaring red flag. According to the Spero News story, the parents were IMMEDIATELY told that their child was dead, and to donate the organs.

But stories in other news outlets starting 3 days after the shooting, and up to 3 days ago, never mention this. All the other stories talk about hope, talk about progress, or talk about no further progress. Not ONE mentions that the parents were initially told the child would never make it.

Why would family members not mention this once, in all the other stories? According to Spero, the request for organs happened back around August 6th when the shooting happened. But we are just learning about it now, August 20th, and not in any previous article.

At BEST, it seems the parents stayed completely silent about all the issues they are raising now. And instead of trying to get a news outlet onto the story, they chose this guy who writes articles for Spero News. Why?

Yes, there could be reasons why. I’m not saying this shows the story is false. I’m saying this casts doubts on the story, and raises questions about why the parents are telling the story.

Maybe the story will become a real news story tomorrow. Until it does, I remain skeptical. Not because I don’t believe it could happen. But because there are too many things in this story that don’t make sense, and it is all told from a single point of view, one that may have a good reason to be biased or misleading.


44 posted on 08/20/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

That’s fine. I don’t see the conspiracy you do and I bet in more time and more will leak out.

When someone is hurt and in the hospital, they always talk about hope. They don’t talk about how someone is “not going to make it.”

But as they sit in the hospital for a few days, the real story develops as they observe more. I’ve seen this happen with other death panel cases. It’s tragic and they all follow the same pattern.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 4:23:54 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Charles,

The mother doesn’t believe her son is dead like the doctor does.

Big difference. To her, he’s getting better. To the doctor, he’s a bundle of nerves.

So when you compare her statements, consider how she views her son.


46 posted on 08/20/2012 4:26:31 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

And yet the Spero News story suggested they did. But as I said, all the information in the story must have come from the parents.

Do you seriously believe that, if the parents were asked on August 6 or 7th to donate their child’s organs, that nobody in the family would have mentioned that at the rally for the boy? or when they spoke to reporters for news organizations?

Why is it that the only reference on the web to this denial of food and water is this spero news forum article?

Maybe someone will get more information. Maybe it will be a news story some day. Right now, it’s the story told by parents. They could be absolutely telling the truth. There is simply no evidence provided for that. Just a story.


47 posted on 08/20/2012 4:27:18 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I know the story is real. When Brian Williams comes and tucks you in tonight and tells you what is real news, let me know if he brings this up.

Again, I respect your healthy skepticism, but I think you’re going overboard.


48 posted on 08/20/2012 4:31:35 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Right now, it’s the story told by parents.

Exactly. Right now everything is second hand, nothing is confirmed, and a lot of red flags are up.

49 posted on 08/20/2012 4:33:17 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: AstralisLux
I am not an organ doner for the fact of vultures hanging around waiting to pick me apart, but

A friend of the mother -- who faced a similar ethics panel decision for a family member at a different hospital -- told her to contact Texas Right to Life to help protect her son's life from the hospital.

This crap just aint supposed to be this way !!!

50 posted on 08/20/2012 4:34:15 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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