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Todd Akin's Sinking Ship (inside info -- the real reason he MUST GO)
wall street journal ^ | 8-2012 | (comments by DFU)

Posted on 08/20/2012 6:44:29 PM PDT by doug from upland

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Anyone who does the above should be in prison for a very, very long time. Shame on Akin. Thank goodness women's groups are coming forward to condemn him.
1 posted on 08/20/2012 6:44:36 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

You know what our problem is? We do JUST what the Rats do. We don’t address our own issues, we point at them and say, “they did it too” or “they were worse”.

Aikin must go, I don’t care what ANYONE else did.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 6:47:53 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: doug from upland

The press gave all three of these democrats passes...


3 posted on 08/20/2012 6:48:46 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Please don’t misunderstand. He has to go. That Missouri seat is too important, and he just blew it. I just wanted an opportunity to stick it to their side for proudly standing up for a rapist.


4 posted on 08/20/2012 6:49:42 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

Juvenile and disgusting post! Akin made a bad choice with his comment. This is pathetic!


5 posted on 08/20/2012 6:50:24 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: foundedonpurpose

Do you really understand the purpose of the post? Those who condemn Akin gladly stood up for the rapist in chief and for the guy who let a girl die after he drove off the bridge.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 6:52:53 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: foundedonpurpose

Time for this anti-semitic/pro-terrorist/socialist in England to go too?

British MP Says Sex With Sleeping Women Isn’t Rape But ‘Bad Manners’ (Socialist George Galloway)
businessinsider.com ^ | Adam Taylor | August 20, 2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920871/posts


7 posted on 08/20/2012 6:55:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: doug from upland

Don’t go away mad Todd, just...please, go away. Somebody make him an offer he can’t refuse.


8 posted on 08/20/2012 6:55:57 PM PDT by RC one
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To: doug from upland

If Akin does not go, is anyone looking to launch a conservative as an alternative? If the national senatorial campaign shuts off he money, and the super pacs stop their support, they could shift funds to a credible independent that has a chance.


9 posted on 08/20/2012 6:56:45 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: foundedonpurpose

Juvenile and disgusting post! Akin made a bad choice with his comment. This is pathetic!
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EXCUSE ME??? “...a bad choice with his comment”? Get your head out of your a** dude. Every Republican with any character at all is calling for this guy to withdraw from the race or he will cause the following:

1. The McCaskill broad to be in the Senate for another 6 years kissing Obama’s butt and

2. Possibly cause the GOP to not retake control of the Senate and let Harry Reid continue to hold this nation hostage and

3. Hurt the Romney/Ryan campaign.

Aikin blew it. He needs to get the hell out or be the most hated man in America. BTW, why don’t you “practice” what you “preach” in your tagline. Talk is cheap!


10 posted on 08/20/2012 6:59:23 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: grumpygresh

Not sure. I believe I heard that he has until 5pm tomorrow. I suspect that means that the GOP could still choose another candidate for the ballot. After that, it would take a court action. If someone in Missouri knows for sure, please check in.

A write-in candidate or another Independent would be very problematical.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 6:59:53 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

Three months to go, cut him loose. Pay him off, make him go away. Sorry Mizzou, this is bigger than you. Claire is TOAST against anyone other than a man who cannot finesse a basic question about rape and abortion.


12 posted on 08/20/2012 6:59:53 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: foundedonpurpose

Akins certainly propounded a novel sounding theory: that if the woman hated the sex, she’s less likely to conceive. Who taught HIM the birds and bees?


13 posted on 08/20/2012 7:00:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: doug from upland

#10 he voted to let babies that survived an abortion to die on a slab; voting for a state bill disallowing medical assistance.


14 posted on 08/20/2012 7:01:16 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: doug from upland

1) It doesn’t matter what any Dem did. Akin did wrong, and is stupid. GOP’ers actually police their own, demanding accountability. Dems simply try to avoid all consequences of violating laws or ethics. If it can be got past the voters it is OK. For them it is always “what he/she had in her heart” rather than what he/she actually did or said. The end always, always, always, always justifies the means in the Dem playbook.

2) Akin’s only shot at any historical significance is to become a footnote in future encyclopedia articles on Barack Obama, the import of which would be why BO was elected to a 2nd term. Is that what he really wants? Because that is his only possibility in continuing as the GOP candidate.

3) Akin could demonstrate real wisdom, selflessness, and love of country by getting out gracefully.

4) Given the stupidity already demonstrated, Akin will probably go ahead into the general election, do a Christine O’Donell/Sharon Angle vis-a-vis the state of Missouri and, at the same time, damage the national ticket.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 7:03:20 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Mr. Bird

This is one of the biggest screw ups I have ever seen in a Senate race. He may cost the GOP control of the Senate. I think what he might have meant to do is distinguish statutory rape and violent rape (which he called “legitimate” to distinguish it from statutory where there is consent).


16 posted on 08/20/2012 7:03:20 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

“Those who condemn Akin...”

Honestly, today I think it is WE who are condemning him. And we are doing it because he is about to KILL us politically.

You want to talk about rape & abortion? Akin’s giving us both in spades!

Sorry, if that was offensive, but I’m about at the end of my rope.

Of course what happened with Ted Kennedy was an outrage and a disgrace, but I must point out that Chappaquidick DID prevent him from ever running for president. Now, he SHOULD have gone to prison, but the fact of the matter is the man is dead now so what are we going to do?

Clinton, also a complete disgrace, but again, what are we going to do? Do we really, really want to support a raft of Teddy the Ks, Bill Clintons and Joe Bidens on our team?

Akin is dead too, politically and from the neck up.

In another year maybe this “gaffe” wouldn’t have been so, so awful. (I will re-iterate what I read elsewhere: iron-clad rule of politics “legitimate” and “rape” can never appear within 15 yards of each other.) But this year, THIS YEAR? With the BS war on women meme from the dems? When McCaskill is toast (or was)?

Akin needs to get out. He needs to get out. He needs to get out.

I don’t care if you say we are “playing their game”. The fact of the matter is THEY are going to play their game from now until November. So, if all we want to hear is “legitimate rape” from now until then Teddy the A. has got to go.

Tommorrow, 9 AM at where ever the appointed location is.

If he fails to withdraw, the blood is on his hands.


17 posted on 08/20/2012 7:04:43 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: RIghtwardHo; Kevmo; Jim Robinson

“Aikin must go, I don’t care what ANYONE else did.”

FRiend....when you are a resident of Missouri and vote there, then you might have the right to say if he MUST go. Until then, you have NO SAY in Missouri politics. The GOPe through the RNC have NO SAY in Missouri politics. The voters of the state properly elected him. He IS conservative and very pro-life.

So, to you and all the other wailing cats here on FR, this resident of Missouri is telling you to shut your yaps and let us deal with this as WE see fit. IF the people here still support him, that is OUR business. IF the people here don’t, that is OUR business between US and HIM. Stay out of it.

I am more disgusted with the trashing of this man (BTW - I voted for another in the primary than him) by the WIN AT ALL COSTS CROWD than I am with the pick of Romney. Although Jim Robinson may have caved in, I still strongly oppose Romney and will not vote for him. However, I’m liking Akin more all the time. He is standing up to idiots from outside his state (and some in) from the establishment of the GOP.

Folks IF Akin steps down then the GOP establishment get to pick who will run...NOT THE VOTERS - that is how it works. That just isn’t right. I will have no part of that. So, until he quits, I WILL support Akin no matter what insults are hurled...and I will continue to oppose Romney, no matter how many betray their word and trust people have placed in them.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 7:05:01 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: doug from upland

Yes, thank God the rnc stepped forward to throw the socon under the bus! And not a moment too soon!


19 posted on 08/20/2012 7:05:02 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns Save Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: doug from upland

I hope that the GOP comes up with a quick poll to show this dunce that he does not have a chance. If Akin goes ahead, he will be a pariah and he will be worse than finished in politics.


20 posted on 08/20/2012 7:05:56 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Belteshazzar

We are not in disagreement. To our side, character really does matter. To the left, power is all that matters.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 7:06:03 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

Some FReepers have lost the sense of irony. Don’t explain. We’re all a little freaked and need handholding through humor and the sardonic. Others will take care of this.

I haven’t checked the other threads out on Todd yet to get caught up. Too bad of Claire gets a leg up in MO over this stupid remark though.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 7:06:22 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Belteshazzar

“GOP’ers actually police their own, demanding accountability.”

That is such BS I can’t believe you can stand the smell. IF the GOP is sooo good at policing its own....then why are there so many RINOs in office????


23 posted on 08/20/2012 7:07:59 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: doug from upland

Admittedly, its a meaningless and minor gaffe. But it is entirely of his own making and fatal to the Missouri Senate seat. So, he must go.


24 posted on 08/20/2012 7:09:08 PM PDT by anton
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To: doug from upland

“We are not in disagreement. To our side, character really does matter. To the left, power is all that matters.”

You are SERIOUSLY mistaken. The ENTIRE uproar by “republicans” is because they are concerned they won’t win McRaskil’s seat in the Senate. Sounds like “power” is what matters to you so called “republicans.” You utterly disgust me, just as Romney utterly disgusts me. You, Romney, et. Al. are just as bad a Obama. You are whinning disloyal scum.


25 posted on 08/20/2012 7:12:59 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: doug from upland

Thanks Doug!


26 posted on 08/20/2012 7:15:29 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: doug from upland

Food is up, Unemployment is up, the National debt is up Gasoline is up and casualties in Afghanistan are up.

Why is Akin yammering about this stuff?


27 posted on 08/20/2012 7:18:25 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RIghtwardHo; doug from upland

>> You know what our problem is? We do JUST what the Rats do.

Like Hell we do.

First explain what “illegitimate rape” is, and then make your case why Akin “must go” for advancing data and an opinion on “legitimate rape”.

Akin must go because of a poorly chosen adjective, but others get a pass for violating and killing other humans?

No, Akin must go because the Right is a collection of #ing cowards that betray their own upon the slightest gaffe, tasteless joke, or folksy rambling.


28 posted on 08/20/2012 7:19:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Sola Veritas
FRiend....when you are a resident of Missouri and vote there, then you might have the right to say if he MUST go. Until then, you have NO SAY in Missouri politics.

I can think of 98 reasons why you might want to consider the "butt out if you're not from this state" argument. All Senators affect all citizens, we all have a stake in this.

29 posted on 08/20/2012 7:19:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: doug from upland

Personally, I didn’t think it was possible for ANY politician to say anything more retarded than Joe Biden.

I stand corrected.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 7:19:58 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: Sola Veritas

consider s/b reconsider


31 posted on 08/20/2012 7:20:19 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: doug from upland
I think what he might have meant to do is distinguish statutory rape and violent rape (which he called “legitimate” to distinguish it from statutory where there is consent).

That is my take, but when given the opportunity to explain it that way on Hannity, he just muddied the waters even more.

He believes abortion should be illegal in any and all circumstances, which is an honorable view shared by many conservatives. Why didn't he just say that and leave it there? Instead he started splitting hairs and making ignorant junk science claims.

32 posted on 08/20/2012 7:20:19 PM PDT by randita (Paul Ryan is "Mr. Smith goes to Washington.")
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To: doug from upland

I hate the fact that his remarks are being misconstrued; I truly believe the guy misspoke. The double standards are ridiculously unfair. But he’s gotta go. He may do more for the conservative cause as our Sista Soulja than he could ever do as a senator. That’s what he needs to hear.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 7:21:14 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: RitaOK

Some FReepers have lost the sense of irony. Don’t explain. We’re all a little freaked and need handholding through humor and the sardonic.

lol and its only August... We haven’t even hit the conventions yet. Imagine what some will lose by October. :-]


34 posted on 08/20/2012 7:24:56 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Sola Veritas; All

Since I posted this thread, I wanted to say to all of you that you do not have to shut up. This is not a gubernatorial election. It is not a state senate election. It is not a state house election. It is not a state comptroller election. It is not a Missouri county judge election. It is not a dog catcher election. We who are outside the state clearly have nothing to say in those. But this is a United States Senate election and affects all of us.

Sola Veritas, I know you had a very, very bad day because of JimRob’s post today. Have a beer and relax. We are not shutting up. He may be a very good man but this was a grand slam home run of screw ups. If you can recommend the conservative for whom you voted, we will give any support we can.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 7:28:00 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: randita

I can’t believe he again blew it when Hannity gave him a chance to explain it. His thinking was just not clear. Is no one on his campaign able to prepare him?


36 posted on 08/20/2012 7:30:06 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

Makes me wonder why he threw the election.


37 posted on 08/20/2012 7:31:19 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mylife
Because his is stupid, plain and simple. He is an idiot. He was assurred of victory and threw it all away because he is an idiot. He has to go, he has to go, he has to go.

I am almost sick over this. Even Ann Coulter is being generous and nice and hopes that it will do some good and allow this guy a graceful exit. Personally, I think he is too stupid to realize that he must leave.

We need to draft someone else immediately. Third party conservative, right now.

38 posted on 08/20/2012 7:31:19 PM PDT by daviscupper (.)
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To: mylife
Because his is stupid, plain and simple. He is an idiot. He was assured of victory and threw it all away because he is an idiot. He has to go, he has to go, he has to go.

I am almost sick over this. Even Ann Coulter is being generous and nice and hopes that it will do some good and allow this guy a graceful exit. Personally, I think he is too stupid to realize that he must leave.

We need to draft someone else immediately. Third party conservative, right now.

39 posted on 08/20/2012 7:31:30 PM PDT by daviscupper (.)
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To: anton
Admittedly, its a meaningless and minor gaffe.

There is nothing minor about this gaffe. There's a continuum of gaffes between "minor" and "fatal," and if you're a Republican this one falls much, much closer to the "fatal" end of the scale. Admittedly, holding ourselves to a higher standard seems to put us at a tactically inferior position in the culture wars, but we can grow our group by being attractive by holding a standard. If we don't hold a standard, we're as bad as they are.

40 posted on 08/20/2012 7:32:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Mr. Bird; All
The seat is critical.

Anyone who wants to sign a petition to get Akin to drop out of race can go to dickmorris.com. After signing petition-there is a letter that can be edited and sent to your own senators asking them to encourage him to resign from the race...has to be done by tomorrow.

Any who have conservative senators should definitely sign this petition...your state and name go with your letter to your senator (s). Please help pressure this man to step down.

He made a fatal error as far as his career is concerned. And he may have hurt his nation by using such a crazy, offensive comment causing us to lose a very critical potential senate seat.

41 posted on 08/20/2012 7:34:15 PM PDT by Republic (Keep uhbama desperate - seems to force slips of honesty from his angry interior)
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To: jocon307

I must again make clear that I want him to go. I was taking an opportunity to stick it to the opposition, whose party supports absolutely anything -— even a rapist and a guy who should have been charged with at least manslaughter.

A correction, if I may. Kennedy did run for president and just missed beating a sitting President Carter in 1980.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 7:36:41 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: RIghtwardHo
We do JUST what the Rats do

What are you talking about?? You are a Rat.

43 posted on 08/20/2012 7:38:01 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: daviscupper

>> He is an idiot.

The idiocy lies in the refusal to understand what he meant.


44 posted on 08/20/2012 7:38:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: doug from upland

Here’s what I get from his thinking:

Abortion shouldn’t be permitted in the cases of “legitimate”, i.e. forcible rape because women don’t get pregnant anyway (magic fairy dust?).

Abortion shouldn’t be permitted in cases of statutory (i.e. illegitimate) rape because it’s, well, “illegitimate”.

The use of the word “legitimate” was not a gaffe. It was fully intentional because it fits his rationale as to why abortion should be illegal in all cases.

But, after the fact, he and his defenders are claiming the word “legitimate” was a gaffe and he really meant forcible.
It wasn’t a gaffe. He meant it that way.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:19 PM PDT by randita (Paul Ryan is "Mr. Smith goes to Washington.")
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To: RIghtwardHo

Why must he go?


46 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: doug from upland
The reason Akin must go is because McCaskill spent 2-million dollars on ads dog-whistling the Democrats to cross over and vote for him in the Republican primary.

Why would we want McCaskill's chosen opponent as our nominee, especially now that he has demonstrated why she wants him?

47 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Belteshazzar

#2 - the nightmare scenario. But I truly fear this could prove true.

Stranger and stupider things have happened.


48 posted on 08/20/2012 7:41:46 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Sola Veritas

re: “You utterly disgust me.” “You are a whining disloyal scum.”

How nice. Well, now that you have gotten that off your chest, how does it feel to look like a major league *sshole?

I guess we will let our fellow FReepers decide whether I am just as bad as Obama. Or, will they conclude that you appear to have an anger problem and a mental problem?


49 posted on 08/20/2012 7:43:16 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland
There are 3 points of importance in Akin's statement.

First, legitimate rape. This is a term that he used to distinguish real rape from statutory rape and fake rape. He's correct on this, and I wouldn't ask him to withdraw solely over this.

Second, rarity of pregnancy from rape. The only data available put the number at 5%, which one can argue support his claim. Here, it's a bit more shaky than the first point, but I might still not call for his withdrawal if the problem is this point alone.

The third one is his assessment that woman's body somehow has a built-in mechanism that prevents pregnancy from rape. This is wrong, as the fact that he recognizes the while rare, pregnancy is not impossible. So, his body mechanism argument just doesn't fly and had we allowed this argument, it follows that the women who got pregnant were not legitimately raped. Taken together with the other two points above, his statement is very difficult to defend. I cannot imagine he can do anything positive in the debate where rape is the main issue.

Beyond the three points above, there is political reality. As a Republican candidate, he unnecessarily dragged the whole election to talk about rape, instead of the economy. Rape is deeply personal and emotional issues, and unlike abortion, the women are the victims here. As such, any mistake like the third point above would be explosive, and it is already. His mistake will affect not only his own race but also the other conservatives in their own races.

50 posted on 08/20/2012 7:43:20 PM PDT by paudio (Two stubborn facts remain: (1) Romney is better than 0bama, and (2) Romney is the Republican Nominee)
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