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All My Exes Live in Texas
Townhall.com ^ | August 21, 2012 | Mike Adams

Posted on 08/21/2012 4:35:16 AM PDT by Kaslin

A former Texas high school teacher was convicted of multiple felonies after having sex with five 18-year-old students at her home. The conviction was a victory for the prosecution but it was a setback for the feminist movement. It was also a setback for the homosexual uncivil rights movement, which seeks unlimited authority to redefine relationships among consenting adults.

Brittni Nicole Colleps, 28, of Arlington, was found guilty of 16 counts of having an inappropriate relationship between a student and teacher. In Texas, this second-degree felony is punishable by two to 20 years in prison per count. Because none of her students sodomized her, the relationships have not yet been enshrined in the U.S. Constitution.

What makes this case difficult for some to fathom is that Colleps is Mrs. Colleps, not Miss Colleps. She is married and has multiple children. She also likes to have sex with multiple school kids at the same time. In fact, she had to turn herself in after one of the student athletes she was having sex with video recorded the encounter using a cellphone. That’s one of the disadvantages of taking on several athletes at once. It’s tough for a girl to know what all the boys in the room are doing at any given time. And it’s tough to keep track of all the electronic devices.

Police Detective Jason Houston testified at trial saying that charges were filed because, whether they are 18 or not, it's a crime for a teacher to have sex with her students. This has some feminists upset because they think it should only be a crime for a teacher to have sex with his students. They think that a woman having sexing with high school students is empowering while a man having sex with high school students is oppressive. As usual, the feminists want to do away with laws that are gender neutral. In their view, it’s the only way to end gender discrimination. It isn’t logical but it doesn’t have to be. It’s feminism so it just has to sound angry.

Feminism has a long way to go to achieve equality but at least it has accomplished one thing: it has more women pursuing careers and acting like hyper-sexualized frat boys. Some women are able to do both at once. (Insert inappropriate multi-tasking joke here).

While Brittni Colleps was at home serving a substantial portion of the boys’ track and field team, her husband was serving in the military overseas. Christopher Colleps said that he is mad at his wife, but stands by her "because `til death do us part means `til death do us part." In other words, Mr. Colleps takes marriage seriously.

Christopher Colleps testified in court that he and his wife had engaged in group sex before – also during the course of their marriage. He also testified that he was “hurt” by what his wife did with multiple high school student athletes. The moral distinction between the group sex in which he participated and the group sex in which he did not participate brings us right to the heart of the marriage debate in 21st Century America.

According to Christopher Colleps, and to homosexual rights activists, marriage is not an agreement between two people and God. It is an agreement between two or more people. The group sex Mrs. Colleps engaged in was not wrong because it violated the laws of God. It was wrong because it violated his rules. Mr. Colleps had to know of the act, approve of the act, and hopefully participate in the act for it to be okay. As long as all the adults offered full knowledge and consent, everything was okay. That is the new view of marriage. It is just whatever the humans want it to be.

The videotaped evidence at trial demonstrated that none of the participants was using a condom. The acts also occurred in a house where three young children were being raised. But remember that if Mr. Colleps had only known and approved – and gotten in on the action! -then everything would have been okay.

The defense attorney for Brittni Colleps said that Texas should not have convicted his client, adding that Texas is too conservative for its own good. He looks forward to the day that the Texas Supreme Court gets the government out of people’s bedrooms and allows consenting adults to do whatever they wish to do in their own homes.

That day has not yet come in Texas. That is good news for Texans who care about their children.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: family; familyvalues; marriage; moralabsolutes; pervert; slut; texas; whore
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1 posted on 08/21/2012 4:35:20 AM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 08/21/2012 4:36:46 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
It's not too conservative, it's too tyrannical! Is what she did immoral? Yes, only because she crossed the line in the student teacher relationship, but to give her 20 years per student is just ridiculous and outrageously over punishing!

Rapist and murderers don't even get this kind of jail time. At the max she should be stripped of her teachers licenses, with no jail time!

Texas you REALLY suck on this one!

3 posted on 08/21/2012 4:48:35 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth
The problem is not the appropriate sentence she got.
Its the inappropriate sentence rapists and murderers get.

One more thing.

You stay away from other peoples kids, since we have you on record as thinking its not that bad to f*** them even if they are in your professional care.

I am not joking.

You ARE (as opposed to merely having) a problem.

4 posted on 08/21/2012 4:55:32 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kaslin

This woman’s husband’s picture ought to be next to the definition of moral relativism. “What don’t you understand about ‘til death do us part’ he asks. What does he not understand about “forsake all others.” Moral relativism leads to decline and decadence. These folks are no doubt good Democrats.


5 posted on 08/21/2012 4:55:43 AM PDT by allendale
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To: MrEdd

18 year old boys?

not children...these ‘kids’ could just as well been fighting for you and I in the sand box.

and if the teacher was hot....these boys claimed her as a trophy to their buds.

we are turning boys into women in PC America.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 5:04:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: allendale

The good Senator was not even thinking of THIS kind of stuff, but he was at least in the ballpark when Daniel Patrick “Moan-ahan” warned against the DUMBING DOWN of America.

P.S. It was commie lib ‘rats of his own party who ridiculed his name.


7 posted on 08/21/2012 5:06:21 AM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Kaslin

Leno said it’s another example of classroom overcrowding.


8 posted on 08/21/2012 5:16:26 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: sirchtruth
It doesn't say they gave her 20 years per student. It says they *could* give her 2 - 20 years per count. They *could* give her a suspended sentence and probation. The article doesn't say what the sentence actually was.

If you think the *only* thing immoral about this was the breach of the student-teacher relationship, then Mike Adams has proved his point about the rapid devolution of norms down to the level of "I wanna."

9 posted on 08/21/2012 5:23:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He who does not have 3,000 years at his fingertips is living hand-to-mouth." -J Wolfgang von Goethe)
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To: Kaslin
According to Christopher Colleps, and to homosexual rights activists, marriage is not an agreement between two people and God. It is an agreement between two or more people.

How soon until our 'betters' - the liberal elites are telling us we're 'phobes' because we won't accept 'marriage' between teachers and five or six of their students?

10 posted on 08/21/2012 5:24:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: sirchtruth
...to give her 20 years per student is just ridiculous and outrageously over punishing!

Where did you read that she was convicted to 20 years per student? She got 5 years in prison, total.

11 posted on 08/21/2012 5:38:00 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: sirchtruth
It's not too conservative, it's too tyrannical! Is what she did immoral? Yes, only because she crossed the line in the student teacher relationship

Which is the point. ALL teaches in Texas have a stipulation in their contract concerning a very old-fashioned concept called 'moral turpitude'.

Are you saying someone shouldn't be held to the terms of their contract? That's not very conservative of you.

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but to give her 20 years per student is just ridiculous and outrageously over punishing!

It says TWO to 20, not automatically 20. It's very doubtful she will get that much time.

Personally, I hope she gets at least 8 to 10. A teacher having sexual relations with any student is a violation of the delegated trust of the People of Texas.

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Texas you REALLY suck on this one!

Your screen name implies you search for truth.

The question is, can you handle it?

12 posted on 08/21/2012 5:42:32 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: FreedomOfExpression
Where did you read that she was convicted to 20 years per student? She got 5 years in prison, total.

LOL! Thanks for pointing that out. I was initially under the impression it was a new case.

13 posted on 08/21/2012 5:52:37 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Kaslin
He also testified that he was “hurt” by what his wife did with multiple high school student athletes. The moral distinction between the group sex in which he participated and the group sex in which he did not participate brings us right to the heart of the marriage debate in 21st Century America.

"Loving husband" or "Number 64!"?

*barf*

14 posted on 08/21/2012 5:53:01 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: sirchtruth

but to give her 20 years per student is just ridiculous and outrageously over punishing!

She got five years, probably won’t serve one. She should have received the max


15 posted on 08/21/2012 5:53:26 AM PDT by Figment
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To: sirchtruth; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: Texas you REALLY suck on this one!

As opposed to... us Texans' normal suck?

Well, then... what about these New Hampshire Laws:

You may not tap your feet, nod your head, or in any way keep time to the music in a tavern, restaurant, or cafe.

You cannot sell the clothes you are wearing to pay off a gambling debt.

It is considered an offense to check into a hotel under an assumed name.

It is illegal to pick seaweed up off of the beach.

Any cattle that crosses state roads must be fitted with a device to gather its feces.

You may not run machinery on Sundays.

In cemeteries it is illegal to: get drunk, picnic, enter at night, and enter by one’s self if that person is younger than 10.

If a person is caught raking the beaches, picking up litter, hauling away trash, building a bench for the park, or many other kind things without a permit, he/she may be fined $150 for ”maintaining the national forest without a permit”.

On Sundays citizens may not relieve themselves while looking up.

Well, sirchtruth, it is not Sunday, but go ahead and fine me as I am looking up at you... while relieving myself all over your shoes--

16 posted on 08/21/2012 5:59:06 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: MrEdd
You are a joke!

Is not 18 a consenting adult in your world? I'm not saying I AGREE with what she did, I'm saying the LAW does not jive with the sentence. We are a nations of LAWS.

17 posted on 08/21/2012 6:04:55 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It says they *could* give her 2 - 20 years per count.

Right, that's outrageous for what happened! These were consenting adults, breach of the professional relationship should only be disciplinary in regards to her profession.

Make the max sentence revocation of her teaching license and never allow her to teach again!

It is a moral issue since the consenting age is 18 by law. Law is law for a reason because we aren't a dictatorship in this country who tries to dictate morality like they did in Britain. Ever heard of the DOC? Personally, do I think what she did was morally wrong, OF COURSE! However, the law is what matters in this case and in all cases. If we don't have LAWS to abide by and think morality trumps law for sentencing we are not America, and the idea ceases to exist.

18 posted on 08/21/2012 6:16:39 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: FreedomOfExpression

I misspoke. the point is 2-20 for this “crime” even being a guideline for sentencing is just ridiculous!


19 posted on 08/21/2012 6:19:17 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: allendale

They seem like the definition of Libertarians to me.


20 posted on 08/21/2012 6:34:47 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: MamaTexan
Are you saying someone shouldn't be held to the terms of their contract?

Yes, of course they should. "Morale Turpitude," that's the key. It's not LAW! I'm outraged at the sentencing guideline which is 2-20 for having CONSENSUAL sex! It's puritanical priggish BS! I do think what she did was absolutely morally wrong, but not unlawful. The possibility she could go to jail for TWO years is ridiculous!

Fire her, revoke her teacher's license for life, don't give a judge the power to sentence this "crime" for 20 years. It's wrong and everyone here knows it!

Your screen name implies you search for truth.

Yes, and the truth of this is even in the State Of Texas it's not against the law to have sex with consenting adults no matter how many there are, right? Is this not the "Truth?" Or in your world does morality trump law in our nation, because if it does America cease to exist for you...this is why LAWS keep us FREE. If you don't understand this you need to go read history!

21 posted on 08/21/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth
At the max she should be stripped of her teachers licenses, with no jail time!

ANY teacher who violates the teacher/student relationship should get jail time. Period. Think that is tyranny? Stay right where you are. Texas doesn't need 'open minded' thinking about teachers and sex with our students.
22 posted on 08/21/2012 6:44:47 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: sirchtruth
As well as embracing perversion, you have an aversion to addressing the issue at hand.

Recruits in training and enlisted personnel are adults. Drill Instructors and Officers still don't get to f*** the snot out of them. Sorry to bust your little rutting obsessed bubble

These kids are still living under the care of an adult, and still entrusted to an older adult who is expected.to prepare them for life, not prepare them to live with venereal diseases or to be a babydaddy/babymomma paying child support.

You have made it clear that this impinges upon your most cherished fantasies, but too damned bad. When you have responsibilities for someone, our society imposes legal penalties if you abrogate those responsibilities in a major way.

Yeah, you hate the idea of reciprocal responsibilities coming with adulthood. You have made that clear. Too damned bad.

Stay away from kids, and it might behoove you to never take a job with responsibilities for other people. You do not have the ability to carry those jobs out.

23 posted on 08/21/2012 6:46:23 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Bender2; All
Nice post! These laws are all puritanical and you know it, just like some Laws in Texas.

If some of you do not grasp this simple concept of illegitimate sentencing guidelines then you need to go back to England and be subject to the churches imperialism!

I can't believe some of you actually think these sentencing guidelines for what she did are just, especially those of you who are Texan's.

24 posted on 08/21/2012 6:46:28 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth
Yes, and the truth of this is even in the State Of Texas it's not against the law to have sex with consenting adults no matter how many there are, right? Is this not the "Truth?"

The TRUTH is she was arrsted for 'consensual sex' because it was a breach of her teaching contract.

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Or in your world does morality trump law in our nation, because if it does America cease to exist for you...this is why LAWS keep us FREE.

LOL! you complain about 'morality trumping law', yet that is EXACTLY what your asking for.

Your idea of what is or isn't 'moral' vs the LEGAL obligation the teacher imposed on herself by signing her contract.

Unless you believe people should not be held to their signed oaths and their promises to perform to those terms.....which, BTW, IS the Law.

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If you don't understand this you need to go read history!

Oh, please. Someone who thinks it's a bad thing that teachers are held accountable when they decide to violate the public trust have no clue about law, much less history.

25 posted on 08/21/2012 6:59:31 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: texas_mrs; All
ANY teacher who violates the teacher/student relationship should get jail time. Period. Think that is tyranny? Stay right where you are. Texas doesn't need 'open minded' thinking about teachers and sex with our students.

That's ridiculous because these were consenting adults. So the teacher wants to have a sexual relationship with a student who's 30 and your gonna dictate it's against the law?

What is happening here is some of you SEEM to be equating LAW with Morality. It's just not equivalent. You can not legislate morality because you are denying FREE WILL and inalienable rights. I totally think what she did is reprehensible, however that's why the American Idea works because it doesn't allow one belief system to dictate morality or law. In other words I can believe burning her at the stake is morally just because my belief system encourages me too, but the LAW has precedence over my moral code. Thank God! Sometimes these law are just wrong. 2-20 years is the wrong punishment for this lapse in judgement.

Don't worry, I won't be coming to Texas, I wouldn't want to get thrown in jail for throwing an apple core out the window!

26 posted on 08/21/2012 7:06:30 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth

If you are a teacher and they are still in school, it is hands off and no exceptions. What they get in if they can’t do that, too bad.


27 posted on 08/21/2012 7:14:36 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: MrEdd
These kids are still living under the care of an adult, and still entrusted to an older adult who is expected.to prepare them for life, not prepare them to live with venereal diseases or to be a babydaddy/babymomma paying child support.

Yeah, I understand that...do really understand it? I'm not arguing the MORALITY of the issue! I disagree with the sentencing guidelines for her having sex with what TEXAS LAW STATES are consenting adults...They are ludicrous! If these were non consenting children, I say throw the book at her and grind the key to dust!

For all the rest of your BS, I just think you like to read what you write.

Let's not throw stones at glass houses, ok Mr. Perfect?

28 posted on 08/21/2012 7:19:55 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth
Are you under some delusion that laws ever enforce something other than morality?

Physics perhaps?

The examples I enumerated exactly parallel the one here, mental and ethical incapacity to debate them on your part not withstanding.

A teacher doesn't get to f*** their students.
An officer does not get to f*** their enlisted personnel.
a psychiatrist doesn't get to bang their patients.

Exact parallels.
Adulthood is irrelevant.

29 posted on 08/21/2012 7:27:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kaslin

This was probably inevitable for anyone named Brittni and not using it as a stripper pseudonym.


30 posted on 08/21/2012 7:41:24 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Kaslin

Were these considered graduation gifts or final exams?


31 posted on 08/21/2012 8:14:42 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: sirchtruth

Regardless of the fact that these students were 18 or older, she was their TEACHER, being paid by the TAXPAYERS, and working at a PUBLIC school to educate them, not recruit them for sex.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 8:21:10 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: MrEdd
Which is more righteous?:

*Teacher gets 5 years in prison with consenting aldults because of some archaic sentencing guidelines in Texas.

*Teacher Gets 3 Years in Prison for Sex with 7 Students
COVINGTON, TN (abc24.com) - Former Tipton County teacher Cindy Clifton pleaded guilty to several counts of rape Thursday afternoon.

She was indicted last fall on 53 counts, 29 of those counts for rape. She pleaded guilty to 15 counts, seven rape charges. The plea deal only puts her behind bars for three years, at the most.

Please tell me Mr. Moral high ground, which sentencing guideline is more just?

That Texas law sure is great!!

33 posted on 08/21/2012 8:37:27 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Vaquero
If these 18 year olds were enlisted men in the sandbox, and a female officer was banging them then the exact same principles would apply and likely worse consequences.

As here, the problem stems from the position of authority, and the person in authority abrogating the behavioral restrictions that came with that authority.

Just as in this case, that is as it should be.

I went in the Marines when I was seventeen (and already graduated).
I have indeed been in the sandbox.
I was aware of the rules then.

You need an analogy that supports your position, rather than mine.

34 posted on 08/21/2012 8:43:59 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: sirchtruth; wagglebee; Marie; little jeremiah

Texas is better.

Sex comes with responsibilities.
Bad behavior has consequences.


35 posted on 08/21/2012 8:51:53 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MamaTexan

The reason laws like this are in place regarding ‘positions of authority’ (teacher/student) is that the education system is crappy enough without adding grade bribery or grade inflation via sex blackmail.


36 posted on 08/21/2012 9:11:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: sirchtruth; MrEdd
Please tell me Mr. Moral high ground, which sentencing guideline is more just?

The subject was Texas laws, not the ones in Tennessee. Unlike some people, Texans tend to think people in other States should decide their OWN laws, not jump up & down and point judgmental fingers.

I also find it odd you haven't replied to my previous post since you felt so free to scream 'LAW' without the slightest clue as to what it really means.

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That Texas law sure is great!!

Yep! It makes life simpler when you ensure people say what they mean and mean what they say.

Particularly when those people are entrusted with our children.

37 posted on 08/21/2012 9:17:06 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: TurboZamboni
is that the education system is crappy enough without adding grade bribery or grade inflation via sex blackmail.

LOL! I'm not sure I can agree that it's the reason, but I do consider it a very nice bonus!

38 posted on 08/21/2012 9:28:08 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Kaslin
Now I know why we went 38 posts without a pic


39 posted on 08/21/2012 9:32:33 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: MamaTexan
The subject was Texas laws, not the ones in Tennessee. Unlike some people, Texans tend to think people in other States should decide their OWN laws, not jump up & down and point judgmental fingers.

No, MT! the subject is archaic laws no matter what STATE. Look at post #16 by bender2.

The integral point I'm trying to make is if the teacher was raping children younger than a consensual age then 2-20 is probably too lenient. However, what we have here is a law with sentencing guidelines which are grossly inappropriate for the crime committed.

Both parties who can legally enter into a contract have an obligation to fulfill this contract. This includes the 18 year old's! They have a moral responsibility in this, wouldn't you agree?

So, let me ask you, would you sentence this woman for having sex with these 18 year old's if they were not her students? If so, what laws is she breaking other than adultery, which by your definition of a "contract," she has committed a crime! What is the sentence guidelines in Texas for this crime of adultry? Marriage is a contract.

I also find it odd you haven't replied to my previous post since you felt so free to scream 'LAW' without the slightest clue as to what it really means.

I'll be glad to reply, I'm not sure exactly what I should reply too, however I'll say this.

What she did was wrong. Morally, contractually and lawfully. I just think the sentencing guidelines are to rigid for this particular breach when you compare them to other crimes, such as actual RAPE.

40 posted on 08/21/2012 10:57:51 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: MrEdd

I have it on good authority(WW 2 vet, I knew, who served under him) that George Patton once said, ‘give me drunkards and whoremasters and I will win this war’...truth be known I have tried to google it with no luck...

when I was in high school some 46 years ago it was common knowlege that a friend was boffing a hot female teacher...he was a hero and inspiration to guys throughout the school...we cannot forget that men and women are different...we cannot view the sexes as the same no matter what the national organization of women, tries to cram down our throats...

I have (and always have, had) a problem with authority...more of an individualist type...I realize that is not the way to run an army...but I myself have for a large part made my own rules(well, short of the point where I would have gotten arrested).

Luckily we live in a time, where having a problem with the ultimate US authority, zer0bama, is to the benefit of the nation.


41 posted on 08/21/2012 11:44:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: sirchtruth
The eighteen year old is not part of the contract. The contract is between the voters who install the government and pay taxes on the one side, and employees hired for government jobs on the other. A high school kid who just turned eighteen isn't a full party. His parents are.

Laws regarding sexual liaisons between authority figures and those subordinate to them not only are not archaic, they exist even in the most far left schemes. Like laws regarding theft and assault, they are non negotiable requirements for any society.

You are still incapable of answering the question of how you regard sexual liaisons between adult officers and enlisted, or between adult psychiatric professionals and their patients. As your entire shtick here seems to be that sex between any two adults is okay any time... Explain how that would work.

42 posted on 08/21/2012 11:49:16 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: nascarnation

I suppose a smile, some stridex and makeup couldn’t hurt...

looks like a bad day for her...like for most mugshots.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 11:49:16 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: sirchtruth
However, what we have here is a law with sentencing guidelines which are grossly inappropriate for the crime committed.

Why? The teacher KNEW sex with student was forbidden, but she did it anyway. Tell me, what do you think an 'appropriate' sentence would be if she were having sex with your child?

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Both parties who can legally enter into a contract have an obligation to fulfill this contract. This includes the 18 year old's! They have a moral responsibility in this, wouldn't you agree?

No, I would not. First, you argue of a LEGAL obligation of the parties to the compact, then try to argue the legal contract the students didn't even sign somehow imposed a MORAL obligation on them?

Talk about twisted logic.

Anyway, as the students are not parties to the contract, they have no obligation whatsoever.

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So, let me ask you, would you sentence this woman for having sex with these 18 year old's if they were not her students?

No.

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What is the sentence guidelines in Texas for this crime of adultry? Marriage is a contract.

Adultery is 'breach of contract' because the marriage contract between two individual people stipulates the forsaking of all others, and the injured party can seek restitution for this breech via divorce proceedings.

The contract between an individual teacher and the school district, is not a 'marriage', as the teacher does NOT have the the same rights as the district. Were that the case, the district wouldn't even have the legal ability to stipulate the terms of the contract.

Once she signed it, she became legally bound by its terms, which includes being thrown in jail for having sexual relations with the district's students!

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I just think the sentencing guidelines are to rigid for this particular breach when you compare them to other crimes, such as actual RAPE.

So someone who has been entrusted as an authority figure over other [sometimes vulnerable] individuals should just get a pass DESPITE the fact they've violated their oath because it isn't really 'rape rape'?

ALLRIGHTYTHEN!

44 posted on 08/21/2012 12:14:19 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MrEdd
You are still incapable of answering the question of how you regard sexual liaisons between adult officers and enlisted, or between adult psychiatric professionals and their patients. As your entire shtick here seems to be that sex between any two adults is okay any time... Explain how that would work.

Is it a crime for 20 yr old and a 30 yr old to have sex, NO!

Is it ILLEGAL for consenting adults to have sex, NO!

Sexual Liaisons between adults in those Professional Relationship capacities are wrong, and constitute an ethical breach of contract, and trust, but SEX is not a CRIMINAL act! You completely miss my point because you got your Namby Pamby on about the morality and ethics of certain relationships and equating these with "The Law".

Any sex between consensual adults is not "OK" anytime because of professional relationship issues and personal violations of trust. But again, not a criminal act!

45 posted on 08/21/2012 3:12:30 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth

You have no point.

Sex in all of these situations is illegal.
Not only does the law say it, the majority says it.
We refuse to be shouted down by perverts who wish people in authority to ba able to have sex with those under that authority.

You are in a small minority.

Even most of the left do not want the things you want.
You do not get to twist reality to fit your sexual desires.

There is a reason you are short of allies on this thread.

Its because you are dense, evasive, shrill, and just more connected to pornographic fantasies than to real life.

The things you want are damaging to real people.


46 posted on 08/21/2012 3:47:15 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Vaquero

You think Patton believed that sex with prostitutes was equivelent to sex between his officers and his enlisted?

Your grasp of the military fits in with your grasp of the legal extent of pedagogical relationships.


47 posted on 08/21/2012 3:51:58 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MamaTexan
Why? The teacher KNEW sex with student was forbidden, but she did it anyway. Tell me, what do you think an 'appropriate' sentence would be if she were having sex with your child?

Because SEX between consenting adults is not a CRIME...The appropriate sentence would be loss of her teachers license and she should not be able to teach again in the state of Texas. My child is an adult at eighteen legally, I would want the same "sentence" as I just described. I do not think she committed a criminal act, just breach of contract. There's a difference.

What if she taught an adult class with the SAME contract and was having sex with 30 year olds, should she get the same 5 years?

First, you argue of a LEGAL obligation of the parties to the compact, then try to argue the legal contract the students didn't even sign somehow imposed a MORAL obligation on them?

18 yr olds are CONSENTING adults! They most certainly do have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to follow the law! Now your twisting the INTENT of what I'm referring too. So, if one of those 18 yr old's got her pregnant would they NOT be liable for the child? Put on your thinking cap for a minute...Under law they would most certainly be liable! Is that in her contract?

So, let me ask you, would you sentence this woman for having sex with these 18 year old's if they were not her students?

No.

Alright, that's my WHOLE POINT! She did not commit a CRIMINAL act, she committed an ETHICAL BREACH OF CONTRACT...Totally different ball game, this is why 5 years in jail I think is a totally bogus priggish sentence. However, I did not realize there was possible jail time sentencing for ethical breaches of contract, apparently there are in Texas!

Adultery is 'breach of contract'

Right, where are all the people getting 5 year sentences for this CRIMINAL (according to you) act?

So someone who has been entrusted as an authority figure over other [sometimes vulnerable] individuals should just get a pass DESPITE the fact they've violated their oath because it isn't really 'rape rape'?

No, see it's a simple disagreement. There is no question she violated ethics and trust here, however the punishment just does not fit the transgression. Again, take away her teaching license for life, don't throw her in jail for having consensual sex! I wonder why Bill Clinton never got thrown in jail, he most certainly did the same thing?!

48 posted on 08/21/2012 4:10:19 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: MrEdd

Ah lawyers my favorite people

Shakespeare was right
The extent of my legal document respect includes the constitution and the declaration(which is not currently a document we recognize )

The way things are going with this regime it might be time to dust off the declaration


49 posted on 08/21/2012 4:15:31 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MrEdd
Sex in all of these situations is illegal.

Ok, show me the law which make these ILLEGAL for having sex and the sentencing guidelines in each of these described cases.

The things you want are damaging to real people.

I think it's wrong for adults to serve jail time for consensual sex, and this is damaging to "real people!?"

The problem is your Holier-Than-Thou righteous zealotry is causing you to have a blind spot to the "real point." Again, revoke her teacher's license and bar her from ever teaching in another classroom. This is more realistic and appropriate for "real people."

50 posted on 08/21/2012 4:46:20 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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