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Preliminary Republican platform grants ‘dignity and respect’ to gay Americans but defines marriage..
Boston.com ^ | Aug 21 2012 | Callum Borchers

Posted on 08/21/2012 6:15:47 AM PDT by scottjewell

Edited on 08/21/2012 6:28:14 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A subcommittee helping to draft the Republican Party platform approved preliminary language Monday that would affirm “dignity and respect” for gay Americans but a definition of marriage as the union of “one man and one woman” is likely to be included, according to the leader of a conservative gay rights group advising the GOP.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012rncconvention; 2012rncplatform; homosexualagenda; rncplatform; samesexmarriage
Full title would not fit and had to excerpt; its still up for debate about endorsing the traditional definition of marriage...
1 posted on 08/21/2012 6:15:54 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

“...affirm “dignity and respect” for gay Americans...”

The US Constitution guarantees Equal Rights, NOT separate, special rights. Nothing needs to be “affirmed” by anyone.


2 posted on 08/21/2012 6:25:15 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: scottjewell
respect is earned for one and the other point is since when do we go around respecting someone based on their sexual fecal turn on?

Ever remember when they used to say it was their private bedroom business? Now they want boycotts, use NAZI thuggery against anyone who does not go with their agenda.

No, this has to stop and the only way is for our side to get some balls and YES IT INCLUDES TALK RADIO, HANNITY ETC and speak up against this agenda.
This utter crap of appeasing a small group which will never vote for us but act like NAZI’s is sickening and the only way this has happened is because our side ignored it and now they try and reason with these perverted thugs

3 posted on 08/21/2012 6:27:02 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: carriage_hill

There’s several levels of “tolerance”.

The first is, simply, tolerance. I don’t like it, but I’m not going to harm you over it. I may express my disapproval, and you’ll have to “tolerate” that.

The second level is acceptance,
and the third is full on approval.

Homos are demanding approval while saying they are simply asking for tolerance. It’s a word game, just like the many others the left plays.


4 posted on 08/21/2012 6:28:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: carriage_hill

EXACTLY

They have the same rights as those who have natural sex, what they want is special rights and if they do not get it then they revert to NAZI thuggery.

Now I don’t like to use the word NAZI for anything but when it comes to them then they deserve it as they have acted in every way as the NAZI party in early 30’s Germany


5 posted on 08/21/2012 6:29:05 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MrB

I will treat homosexuals like I treat everyone else as long as they do not push their agenda on me.

When the Republicans start accepting same sex marriage I will be an Independent the next day.Same way with my Church, When it accepts homosexuals I will find another way to worship.

I have a Homosexual nephew, I treat him fine as long as homosexuality is no mentioned, if he brings that up he will soon know how I stand. I think he knows now and knows better than to bring it up.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 6:32:53 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: MrB

I will treat homosexuals like I treat everyone else as long as they do not push their agenda on me.

When the Republicans start accepting same sex marriage I will be an Independent the next day.Same way with my Church, When it accepts homosexuals I will find another way to worship.

I have a Homosexual nephew, I treat him fine as long as homosexuality is not mentioned, if he brings that up he will soon know how I stand. I think he knows now and knows better than to bring it up.


7 posted on 08/21/2012 6:33:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: carriage_hill

I treat gays like I do any other people but respect is earned and their dignity is their problem, not mine.


8 posted on 08/21/2012 6:34:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MrB

Tolerance is guaranteed. Acceptance and approval, aren’t. IMO.


9 posted on 08/21/2012 6:35:39 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: manc
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10 posted on 08/21/2012 6:36:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: scottjewell

And a Chick-fil-A in every pot.


11 posted on 08/21/2012 6:36:33 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: manc

there are lots of economically conservative and many social conservative(with obvious caveats) Homos, out there...

they generally keep their mouths shut politically and do not want marriage(though they do want economic partnerships). I do not believe Government should be in the marriage business anyway. Let the churches marry and let the tax collector and insurance companies determine peoples partnerships.

that being said, there is a need for them to return to the closets from wence they came...keep it private, no one wants to see them cavort on tv or elsewhere public.

it aint going to go away but there is no reason they should be physically abused any more than straights need to take physical or verbal abuse by politcally left, gay activists.


12 posted on 08/21/2012 6:38:44 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MrB
and respect” for gay Americans

Unsatisfactory. They are accepting the false proposition that homosexuals are born that way instead of broken people, that can be healed.

13 posted on 08/21/2012 6:39:40 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: Venturer

Your approach is exactly as it should be.
If he brings it up, like you would with any other sin (”I like to steal stuff”), tell him how God looks at it as revealed in His Word.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 6:40:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Venturer

In my 21yrs of owning my Family Business, we had 604 employees, only 2 of whom were homosexual. I let them know in the job interview where I stood, what I would not accept or tolerate and what I expected. Both accepted and were exemplary employees for 2-3-4yrs; in fact, 2 of the 10 best employees that I had in that time. But we *understood my rules* together, and they never violated that trust.


15 posted on 08/21/2012 6:41:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

Tolerance I can do, but I can’t accept or approve, because that would be accepting or approving an abomination, and I’d be accountable for that.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 6:41:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2921016/posts?page=15#15


17 posted on 08/21/2012 6:44:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: scottjewell

Respect? Before we go there, let’s start with tolerance. Why should I “tolerate” people who are trying to introduce and mainstream anal sex into our society. People don’t want to tolerate people who use “the N word”. No tolerance for bigotry, but sodamy and perversion are suppose to be tolerated? Somebody explain that to me.


18 posted on 08/21/2012 6:47:29 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It's down to 'anybody but Obama'. And may God forgive me for what I must do in November.)
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To: NurdlyPeon
Why should I “tolerate” people who are trying to introduce and mainstream anal sex into our society

right. And don't let them push this false argument that they were born that way. There behaviour is depraved, and they can and do repent.

19 posted on 08/21/2012 6:58:41 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: NurdlyPeon

nail on head.

The GOP is trying to tell us that we now have to accept teir sexual turn ons and their agenda.

Respect is earned and i see no reason why right now I shoudl respect a grop whch has used the tactics they have on people, stores, etc and why the hell should I respect one who has sex in a very unnatrual way.

However if they kept teir mouths shut , stopped having sex in public, stopped having pareades flags and what the hell si that anyway, flags, parades, PLEASE then they are to be treated as anyone else.

They have exactly the same rights as us and our side who has a public voice needs to mention this instead of shutting up like the cowards they are.


20 posted on 08/21/2012 6:59:18 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NurdlyPeon

You can do whatever you want in your bedroom.

Dignity and respect? we treat all people with dignity and respect.

Sorry I don’t think two men should be allowed to adopt a baby.
it’s not what you and I would want for our kid if we gave it up?

that’s romney’s position.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 7:00:26 AM PDT by preamble
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To: MrB

I’m beginning to have a problem with tolerance too.


22 posted on 08/21/2012 7:02:34 AM PDT by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile never dies.'')
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To: manc
The GOP is trying to tell us that we now have to accept teir sexual turn ons and their agenda.

This is precisely the problem I have with this sort of language. How does the platform committee define "dignity and respect," and what stops them from expanding this to include support for same-sex so-called marriage and adoption of children to same-sex couples?

23 posted on 08/21/2012 7:03:06 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: scottjewell

Great, here goes my head exploding again. Why are perverts, or any group, for that matter, being singled out by Republicans?

There is NO “dignity and respect” in the act of two men messing with each other’s anal area, nor two women abusing one another with plastic toys. It is SICK PERVERSION.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 7:09:58 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: NurdlyPeon

I agree. Why should I tolerate perversion? It has been an illegal act in almost every society for thousands of years. And suddenly I need to “tolerate” it, and “affirm” it? Hell no!

I have no “respect” for the “dignity” of those who stuff their penises into the butts of men, or want another man to do that to them.


25 posted on 08/21/2012 7:15:32 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: manc

I hear you : Could not have said it better myself.


26 posted on 08/21/2012 7:16:03 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: djrakowski

agreed, the GOP seems to think that appeasing a few homosexuals will suddenly bring them votes but then they ignore the marority of us and yet again we are taken for granted.

It’s like some churches which have been infiltrated by some homosexuals.
We stopped going to the Church of England once they accepted the homosexual woman and then said lets marry these same sex people


27 posted on 08/21/2012 7:16:59 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Exactly. You don’t hear the GOP calling for respect for the blind, the deaf, the autistic - why this group? Well , we both know its because the Democrats have made this an issue with the gay marriage plank in the DNC this year. Instead of taking the high road and being different and opposed, the GOP wants to say, “On this issue , we are not so far from the Dems.”


28 posted on 08/21/2012 7:20:45 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: manc
It’s like some churches which have been infiltrated by some homosexuals. We stopped going to the Church of England once they accepted the homosexual woman and then said lets marry these same sex people

My wife's cousin was ordained as an Episcopal priestess last year. She's the most pro-homosexual person I've ever met. Until she married, I was certain she was one herself.

Let's hope the GOP isn't being infiltrated by the same influences that are currently destroying the Anglican communion. But I won't hold my breath - Romney inspires little hope in folks like me, for whom social conservativism is far more important than fiscal or foreign-policy conservatism.

29 posted on 08/21/2012 7:24:41 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: scottjewell
Instead of taking the high road and being different and opposed, the GOP wants to say, “On this issue , we are not so far from the Dems.”

Or, they could've said absolutely nothing, apart from reiterating support for traditional marriage. I see no reason why they should feel the need to address every single point in the Democratic Party platform, allowing them to define the boundaries of the GOP agena.

30 posted on 08/21/2012 7:29:32 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: djrakowski

that’s what these people do, find groups churches etc and the infiltrate them.
Now I’d never have thought that but then you see them wanting the boy scouts, the military the church and we only have to look at Fluke who only joined the school because she wanted to change teir health care not that she wanted their education.

This is why liberalism is more like a religion, they feel their life has to be devoted in pushing their agenda and they will never ever be happy and they will always push and complain, something I might add which the GOP and talk radio for the most part seem unable to grasp


31 posted on 08/21/2012 7:31:22 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: scottjewell

Can anyone help answer for me?

Who are these nameless people who are drafting the preliminary language for the Republican Platform?

Establishment RINO’s perhaps?

Are they soliciting input from their voters, or just promoting their own agenda?

What is the process for writing and approving the platform?

Thank you.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 7:34:42 AM PDT by privatedrive
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To: djrakowski

Agreed.


33 posted on 08/21/2012 7:38:06 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: privatedrive

Very important questions.


34 posted on 08/21/2012 7:39:14 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: manc
No, this has to stop and the only way is for our side to get some balls and YES IT INCLUDES TALK RADIO, HANNITY ETC and speak up against this agenda.

I feel your pain. But, after listening to Rush, Hannity and most of the rest of them ignore the issue for years, why would you expect them to change? Rush and Hannity could have stopped DADT and were either too intimidate or unprincipled to do so.

And, things, I guarantee you, will get worse if Romney is elected. Romney has always been a strong advocate for the homosexual agenda. Once Romney is done, the Republican party will be endorsing gay marriage if a Romney-appointed judge on SCOTUS doesn't cast the deciding vote to force it all on 50 states. That is what Romney and the Republican establishment want. And, it is all happening with the votes of social conservatives and Christians, including JimRob!

Why would the Republicans do anything on the issue if they know social conservatives are going to vote for someone with the radically liberal record of Mitt Romney?

The only question if we keep going down this path is how much religious freedom, freedom of speech and parental rights will be lost.

There is no hope on the issue until social conservatives stop engaging in the lesser-of-two-evil strategies and only for conservatives. But, if JimRob won't even do that, I have lost all hope of conservatives ever having the the sense or principle to do so.

35 posted on 08/21/2012 8:34:30 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: scottjewell
If Romney is elected, the Republican party will either endorse gay marriage in its platform or a Republican and/or Romney-appointed judges will force it on the nation.

The issue is lost as well as any chance of overturning Roe in most of our lifetimes if Romney gets the chance to replace Scalia and Kennedy.

36 posted on 08/21/2012 8:37:54 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Venturer
When the Republicans start accepting same sex marriage I will be an Independent the next day

The Republican nominee is the father of gay marriage...Are you going to vote for him?

37 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:17 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: NurdlyPeon
Why should I “tolerate” people who are trying to introduce and mainstream anal sex into our society.

There is coming a day when you're going to be forced to tolerate it or break the law.

38 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:02 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Kazan

Afraid you are correct.


39 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:50 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: preamble
Sorry I don’t think two men should be allowed to adopt a baby. it’s not what you and I would want for our kid if we gave it up? that’s romney’s position.

It's going to be the Republican party's position, too, if Romney is elected. The Republican party will openly endorse the homosexual agenda if that happens.

40 posted on 08/21/2012 8:44:08 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: scottjewell

I’ve been going crazy lately, thinking I need to cast a vote for Romney despite my avowals not to do so. But the GOP just keeps pushing me away, telling me they don’t want my vote.


41 posted on 08/21/2012 8:51:58 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I know the feeling - yet to hear the gays talk about it, the GOP is becoming rabidly anti-gay with their RNC marriage plank.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 8:53:31 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Kazan

I will Mr. Romney Hater, because Obama is even worse.

But you already know that and are helping Obama get elected.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 2:47:35 PM PDT by Venturer
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