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Woman Conceived in Rape Responds to Akin Abortion Controversy
Life News ^ | August 21, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 08/21/2012 2:53:18 PM PDT by NYer

Rebecca Kiessling, a pro-life attorney from Michigan, fully understands the national debate going on concerning the controversial comments Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin made about abortion and rape. Kiessling was conceived when her mother was victimized by a rapist.

“It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, if it’s a legitimate rape, that’s really rare. The female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,” Akin said. “The punishment ought to be on the rapist, and not in attacking the child.”

Kiessling responded to the comments saying that the use of the term “legitimate rape” was unnecessary and improper and she gave her advice for how pro-life candidates can thoughtfully and articulately address the sensitive subject of rape and abortion.

First of all — never say ‘legitimate rape,’” Kiessling said. “Ron Paul used the same terminology last January and he got lambasted for it too. This kind of remark only serves to perpetuate the suspicion of rape victims’ accounts. It’s estimated that only 1% of rape victims ever see their rapist convicted as charged. Rape is rape. “Legitimate rape” almost sounds as if it was somehow justifiable.”

“If you are 100% pro-life with no rape exceptions, there is no need to question the veracity of a rape victims’ account, because you are against all abortions. It would not matter if a woman was not or not raped,” she continued.

While abortion advocates often talk about supporting a woman’s right to privacy, Kiessling says rape exceptions in abortion laws turn that notion on its head.

“Rape exceptions in the law actually put the government in the position of having to ascertain when the child was conceived, who the father is, whether the child was conceived during the alleged rape or during intercourse with her husband or boyfriend, and if the child was conceived during the time frame of the alleged rape, then the government would need to determine whether the sexual intercourse was consensual or not,” she explained. “So rape exceptions serve to perpetuate the injustice against rape victims that their accounts are to be viewed with skepticism, and it further leaves the majority of impregnated rape victims wholly unprotected under the law. Rape exceptions suggest that a “real rape victim” couldn’t possibly love “the rapist’s baby” and that rape victim mothers don’t exist.”

The pro-life attorney says pro-life candidates need to be coached on how to answer the media’s inevitable question.

“Senator Rick Santorum, during his presidential campaign, said that he thinks that a child conceived in rape is “a gift from God,” and he was made fun of for that. Just Google images for “Santorum rape” and you’ll see all of the posters where he is mocked for this statement. While I believe it’s true that every child is a gift from God, including children conceived in rape, I don’t believe this was the best response for the interview,” she explained. “If it had been my birthmother sharing that she believes that I’m a blessing and a gift from God, she would not be mocked and ridiculed in the same way he was. And then Sharron Angle, during her Senate race in Nevada, said it’s a “lemonade situation,” which did not come across well at all. The problem is not with these candidates’ values. The problem is how they express them.”

Kiessling gives a three-step process in terms of how candidates should answer the question:

1. The Supreme Court has said that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment for rapists and that rapists don’t deserve the death penalty. I don’t think the innocent child conceived in rape deserves the death penalty for the crimes of her father. It seems to me that is cruel and unusual punishment.

2. Rape victims are four times more likely to die within the next year after the abortion, with a higher rate of suicide, murder, drug overdose, etc.. As someone who really cares about rape victims, I want to protect them from the rapist, and from the abortion, and not the baby. A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim — an abortion is. We need to educate the American public on the truth in this matter and not make public policy based on myth and misinformation.

3. Rape victims choose abortion at half the rate of the average unplanned pregnancy, which is over 50%. Only 15-25% of rape victims choose abortion, depending on the study. The majority of rape victims choose to raise her child — not “the rapist’s baby” — HER child.

Of course, I also think it helps to share a personal story and there are lots available, of women who became pregnant by rape and either regret aborting, are raising their children or are birth-moms, as well as stories of those of us conceived in rape and/or incest. You can find those stories on my website: www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html and www.rebeccakiessling.com/PregnantByRape.html



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KEYWORDS: abortion; akin; kiessling; michigan; missouri; prolife; rape; rebeccakiessling; sarahsteelman; toddakin
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1 posted on 08/21/2012 2:53:24 PM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; shhrubbery!

Ping!


2 posted on 08/21/2012 2:54:11 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

So far, all I can tell is Akin will not back down from principle when politics threaten them.


3 posted on 08/21/2012 2:57:45 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: NYer

What percentage of the voters would vote for a candidate who used her talking points?


4 posted on 08/21/2012 3:00:35 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: NYer

Oh boy.. dinner is ready.. I might be back later..


5 posted on 08/21/2012 3:01:13 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: NYer

This didn’t exactly go in the direction I thought it would. The LifeNews should have tipped me off.

The article was quite informative.

I had no idea that only 15 to 25% of women who become pregnant as a result of a rape, decide to terminate the pregnancy. Honestly, I would have guessed the other way around. I’m glad I was wrong.

Thanks for bringing the article to our attention.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 3:01:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: NYer

Good article. I think she’s right. Instead of focusing on whether rape accounts will go up because of the availability of abortion for rape. Focus on the rights of the unborn.


7 posted on 08/21/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: sam_paine
"What percentage of the voters would vote for a candidate who used her talking points?"

After Santorum made the remarks she pointed out above, he shifted his response to basically mirror those exact talking points.

He proceeded to clean up in Missouri, in both their caucuses and primary.

8 posted on 08/21/2012 3:05:50 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: NYer

One of my coworkers told me today that she is here because her mother was raped. She is a lovely, lovely person.


9 posted on 08/21/2012 3:06:10 PM PDT by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Ethel Waters was conceived when her mother was raped by a mixed-race (white?) man when she was thirteen years old.
Ethel Waters was not aborted because that option was not available.

(These are people who are being aborted, even if they are conceived in rape.)


10 posted on 08/21/2012 3:07:00 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: sauropod

read


11 posted on 08/21/2012 3:09:06 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NYer.
"First of all -- never say 'legitimate rape,'" Kiessling said. "Ron Paul used the same terminology last January and he got lambasted for it too. This kind of remark only serves to perpetuate the suspicion of rape victims' accounts. It's estimated that only 1% of rape victims ever see their rapist convicted as charged. Rape is rape. 'Legitimate rape' almost sounds as if it was somehow justifiable. If you are 100% pro-life with no rape exceptions, there is no need to question the veracity of a rape victims' account, because you are against all abortions. It would not matter if a woman was not or not raped," she continued.

12 posted on 08/21/2012 3:12:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: reasonisfaith

What principles? He’s a lying sack of crap career politician looking out for himself. You sound like the right-wing version of Peggy, the Obama voter who thought she was going to have her mortgage and car paid for after he was elected.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 3:14:23 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: NYer

Thank you for sharing this. I was thinking about this today (before I read about her) and wondered why we do not do more to support women who have become pregnant via rape to have their babies and to make them feel that they are doing something heroic and possibly healing for themselves as well as their child. Much of how a person feels about something has to do with how those around them feel about it and what they convey to them. God bless every woman who goes thru this. And I hate that the left uses it as a political issue.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 3:15:01 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: DoughtyOne; DannyTN
I had no idea that only 15 to 25% of women who become pregnant as a result of a rape, decide to terminate the pregnancy. Honestly, I would have guessed the other way around. I’m glad I was wrong. Thanks for bringing the article to our attention.

You are not alone in this thinking which has been fostered by feminists and their democrat supporters. For that reason, I posted this thread. You can learn more from Kiessling's web site.

REBECCA KIESSLING - Official Web Site

15 posted on 08/21/2012 3:15:23 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: SunkenCiv

I started having sex underage. Not by much, but underage...with someone who was not.

I have been around younger girls in my life, however, who have had multiple abortions by age 16, along with proudly school-aged and pregnant. It’s not amazing. It’s reprehensible.

Whining and complaining about child porn or NAMBLA or moral turpitude and degradation does no more good than typing here. It’s just words, and the present Administration is fine with having us pay for it.....Except for the muzz, who will kill women that don’t want children, along with raping Western girls for sh!ts and giggles.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 3:19:16 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: NYer

But is the answer to forbid abortion, or discourage it.


17 posted on 08/21/2012 3:19:45 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: NYer
"“Rape exceptions in the law actually put the government in the position of having to ascertain when the child was conceived, who the father is,"

This is ridiculous! The woman knows if she is pregnant, or not before she's raped, otherwise all that's in place is an embryo, or not far from it. The decision belongs to the woman alone. If she is raped everyone else, includng the law, has no business sticking their nose in this whatsoever.

18 posted on 08/21/2012 3:20:05 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NYer

She makes a compelling case. I will admit to oscillating on this issue. I genuinely don’t know.

I understand that there is no logic in allowing a baby to be terminated because he was conceived in rape. It is not his fault. I also have a real personal problem condemning a woman to a life-changing pregnancy and 18-years of child-rearing that she truly had absolutely no option to refuse. It also is not her fault.

Unfortunately, life presents situations with absolutely no good answer. This is one of them. It is possible that “choice” is the best of two awful options.

Most abortions do not fall into this category, so we can reduce them by 99% by banning them in all other cases, so this need not be the focus of the debate anyway.

SnakeDoc


19 posted on 08/21/2012 3:20:48 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: NYer
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I think she is smiling.

20 posted on 08/21/2012 3:24:23 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kenavi; NYer

” But is the answer to forbid MURDER, or discourage it?”
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21 posted on 08/21/2012 3:24:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PhxTM06

“welcome” newbie. Odd post of yours.


22 posted on 08/21/2012 3:27:02 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: DoughtyOne

Good post, D1. I had the same reaction.

Rebecca Kiessling’s website says she’s been married 11 years, and is the mother of 5 homeschooled children. I think she also has some very valid points concerning the legal ramifications of proving a child was concieved due to rape.

It’s hell being born in the 50’s, and having a notion of ‘normal.’


23 posted on 08/21/2012 3:29:13 PM PDT by glock rocks (Hey... shut the damn barn! Were you raised in a... um, wait.)
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To: PhxTM06

When did he lie?

I say Akin is one of the few who’s not afraid to ignore the false narrative created by the marxists.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 3:30:34 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: NYer

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.


25 posted on 08/21/2012 3:31:26 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: SnakeDoctor
I also have a real personal problem condemning a woman to a life-changing pregnancy and 18-years of child-rearing that she truly had absolutely no option to refuse. It also is not her fault.

There is always the option of adoption. I am both an adoptee and an adoptive parent.

26 posted on 08/21/2012 3:32:20 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: spunkets

Sadly some must go the way of the Whigs to learn that some subjects are outside the business of government control.

I fear more that the democrat party will milk this failure and control our lives even more than they do now.


27 posted on 08/21/2012 3:33:48 PM PDT by soycd
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To: NYer

Great article! And along the lines of this author...if you take the position that abortion should be legal for rape, you put at disadvantage all prosecution of ANY rape. If “rape” then becomes ‘the go-to excuse’ to have an abortion, police, knowing that less than 1% of all abortions are factually due to rape will not prosecute any claims of rape. Let me tell you that the left would turn this on a dime to our disadvantage. That is why this writer is right. As an RN, I understand anyone having difficulty encouraging someone who was raped NOT to have an abortion. However, there are a lot of young people out there today who are the products of rape, and the stories I’ve read from them are heartwarming. The baby is still half the mother’s bloodline. Evil is not inherent. It can be overcome with love.


28 posted on 08/21/2012 3:34:59 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: NYer

Has Whoopie asked if it was really a rape-rape?


29 posted on 08/21/2012 3:35:09 PM PDT by bgill
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To: DannyTN
Instead of focusing on whether rape accounts will go up because of the availability of abortion for rape. Focus on the rights of the unborn.

For the uninitiated, this situation is truly a conundrum. Ultimately, using common sense, one realizes that the true victim is the child. Kudos on recognizing this!

30 posted on 08/21/2012 3:37:28 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
[“If you are 100% pro-life with no rape exceptions, there is no need to question the veracity of a rape victims’ account, because you are against all abortions. It would not matter if a woman was not or not raped,” she continued.]

Bump her words.

If her mother had listened to Akin, she may have been more likely to ABORT...out of shame in feeling that she was COMPLICIT in her (own) rape.

AKIN MUST GO.

31 posted on 08/21/2012 3:38:37 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Not sure where you two are at on this. Thought it interesting.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 3:39:55 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Wage Slave
One of my coworkers told me today that she is here because her mother was raped. She is a lovely, lovely person.

Thank you! .. for the post and ping. When you consider her contributions to your employer, imagine life without her. She did not choose to be conceived in this manner but society benefits from the gifts she brings to this world. Many thanks!

33 posted on 08/21/2012 3:40:11 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: PghBaldy

... and posting history is even odder...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:phxtm06/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


34 posted on 08/21/2012 3:40:43 PM PDT by glock rocks (Hey... shut the damn barn! Were you raised in a... um, wait.)
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To: soycd
I fear more that the democrat party will milk this failure and control our lives even more than they do now.

"An' I halped!"


35 posted on 08/21/2012 3:40:43 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: NYer

This Rebecca Kiessling absolutely nailed it. Akin slipped up in expressing his position and the drive-by media is having a field day with it, that’s all that is going on here.

I am disappointed in Romney’s reaction to this.


37 posted on 08/21/2012 3:41:49 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: NYer

I totally love this little lady. I read of her yesterday.


38 posted on 08/21/2012 3:42:48 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: NYer; SnakeDoctor

It’s not a “punishment,” per Obama. My grandchild is one of the grandest blessings in my life. We are helping mom and are all being drawn closer to God and each other. Wouldn’t’ve missed it for the world. Love is awesome.


39 posted on 08/21/2012 3:43:08 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: sam_paine
What percentage of the voters would vote for a candidate who used her talking points?

Talking pure political mechanics here, that's not really it. What matters is that her talking points effectively neutralize (or maybe "depolarize" is the right term) the issue and allow the candidate to focus instead on the bread/butter economic and statist issues.

There are two problems with the Missouri Jack@$$'s comments. The smaller one is that he verbally fumbled the ball in using the term "legitimate rape".

The much BIGGER one is that he claimed a uterus is smart enough to realize that a rape has occurred and will reject the zygote/embryo. Which is utter insanity and something the very existence of the woman writing this thoughtful commentary directly contradicts. While he's at it, why doesn't he just go ahead and claim that the world is really flat too?
40 posted on 08/21/2012 3:44:38 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: NYer

Legally, not all “rape is rape”. Forced rape is rape. Statuatory rape is mostly an illegality based on state law of consent.


41 posted on 08/21/2012 3:49:02 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: NYer

She should run for office.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 3:49:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: All

Oh oh...I feel a nubular power-zot coming on.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 3:51:49 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: tanknetter

That’s why I don’t get the defenders here that he just “misspoke.”

No. He misunderstands basic biology! He correctly spoke of his misapprehension!


44 posted on 08/21/2012 3:51:49 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Sirius Lee

Far more damaging than a rhino is the totalitarian dictating to rape victims. Those failing to see the aftershock of this transgression won’t know what hit them.

As if being stuck with the mittney disaster was not enough, we now have an even bigger problem.


45 posted on 08/21/2012 3:55:10 PM PDT by soycd
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To: EGPWS

She has a mouthful of mashed potatoes, and is about to do the John Belushi “human zit”.


46 posted on 08/21/2012 3:56:03 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: NYer

Wow. I respect this woman immensely! She is so brave! She has no counterpart on the liberal side of the aisle. Conservative lawmakers should embrace her!


47 posted on 08/21/2012 4:01:49 PM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: spunkets

Does the father get a vote, how about the baby?


48 posted on 08/21/2012 4:04:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: soycd
"I fear more that the democrat party will milk this failure..."

They most certainly will. The image of a Presbeterian minister voting to force rape victims to accept and nuture a completely unwanted pregnancy at gun point is absolutely repulsive and so is calling a rape victim that chooses to prevent the pregnancy a murderer. I think folks would rather put a clothes pin on their nose, close their eyes and vote ugly before they'd vote for repulsive.

49 posted on 08/21/2012 4:05:30 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: soycd
Far more damaging than a rhino is the totalitarian dictating to rape victims.

Rape is a terrible crime alright. But murder is orders of magnitude worse. 9 months of huge inconvenience vs death.

50 posted on 08/21/2012 4:06:56 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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