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Wisconsin Department of Justice Trying To Limit the Size of Concealed Carry Classes
Ammoland ^ | 21 August, 2012 | WCI

Posted on 08/21/2012 3:11:41 PM PDT by marktwain

Wisconsin --( When Act 35 (Wisconsin’s concealed carry law) went into effect in November of last year there were “emergency rules” that were in place that defined the specific requirements of how the law would be implemented.

These rules have been in place since November 1st and are the rules under which over 120,000 concealed carry licenses have been issued.

The Department of Justice now wants to implement “permanent rules” that are different from the “emergency rules”. Most notably, the DOJ wants to limit class size for the state mandated “training class” that one must take before they may apply for a license to 50 people or less.

A month or so ago WCI emailed a request/notification of the Department of Justice’s planned public hearings regarding the proposed permanent rules and the changes from the emergency rules.

Those public hearings were held and despite objections from a few that attended, the Department of Justice did NOT remove the “50 person limit” from the finalized permanent rules that have been submitted to Governor Walker for his final approval.

The permanent rules now sit on the Governor’s desk awaiting his approval, or rejection.

Limiting class size to 50 people would severely inhibit WCI’s ability to offer of FREE concealed carry license class to all those who seek to attend. Many of our classes are smaller than 50 people. Other classes in which we have access to large venues very well suited to larger classes often seat up to 200 people. Those venue’s have theater style seating and top-notch audio-visual capabilities. Microphones are available for attendee’s to ask questions and the instructors stick around for as long as needed afterwards to answer any other questions people have. We believe the government should not arbitrarily limit class size to 50 people but instead leave it up to individual organizations to determine an appropriate class size depending on the venue and resources they have available.

This is our last chance to get these permanent rules changed. PLEASE take a few seconds to call, write, or email governor Walker and ask him to send the proposed permanent rules for Act 35 that would arbitrarily limit class size to 50 people back to the DOJ. Ask Governor Walker to ask the DOJ to remove the 50 person limit before resubmitting them to him for approval.

Ask Governor Walker to reject the rules on the basis of the ARBITRARY 50 person limit because that would severely reduce the capacity of Wisconsin Carry to provide free training to the number of those who are encumbered by the cost of the training mandate that Act 35 imposed.

* Tell him that while we had advocated for and believe in constitutional carry, we have worked within the current training mandate to ensure that people’s right to carry won’t be infringed just because they can’t afford to pay for the state mandated class.

* Tell governor Walker that as an all volunteer organization, we deserve the opportunity to maximize the efforts of our volunteer instructors by allowing the organization, NOT the state to determine based on the capacity and audio visual capabilities of a particular venue, how many people could be served in a class.

* Tell governor Walker that we should be EASING restrictions and making it easier to exercise the constitutionally guaranteed human right to self-defense, not making it harder to meet the requirements of the state.

In the words of Paul Ryan a few days ago, at his speech in Waukesha “we in Wisconsin KNOW where our rights come from, they come from nature or god NOT government.”

Governor Walker, PLEASE do not place yet another increasing restriction on the right to self defense which our Bill of Rights assures us is an unalienable right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.


Mail Office of Governor Scott Walker 115 East Capitol Madison, WI 53702

Phone (608) 266-1212

Carry On! Nik Clark Chairman/President – Wisconsin Carry, Inc.

About: Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is a non-profit corporation dedicated to the preservation and reclamation of the rights of law-abiding Wisconsin residents to carry in the manner of their choosing. We believe that “open carry” and “concealed carry” are choices to be made by law-abiding citizens based on their situation and preference. Wisconsin Carry, like many gun-rights organizations in Wisconsin, is investing a great deal of resources to get Wisconsin law changed to allow concealed carry this next legislative session by proposing Constitutional Carry. Wisconsin Carry, Inc. will continue to use legal recourse to deter unlawful treatment of law-abiding Wisconsin residents who currently exercise their right to open carry, and soon will exercise their right to concealed carry in Wisconsin. Visit:

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; rules; wi
Wisconsin reformers will Continue to fight to move toward constitutional carry. Many instructors who charge for classes object to Wisconsin Carry providing the training for free, as a public service.
1 posted on 08/21/2012 3:11:47 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
it states class size, not how many instructors right???

no problem, split students into groups of 50 or less, each one being a class and voila, done...

2 posted on 08/21/2012 4:21:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

Meanwhile, in Arizona, there are no open carry or concealed carry classes, except for LEOs and anyone who on their own wants to lay down some bread to get serious training from an expert. Pretty much the same as if you want to learn concert bassoon.

So, does this mean that Wisconsinites are somehow inferior to Arizonans? Perhaps all that cheese somehow interferes with their hand/eye coordination.

3 posted on 08/21/2012 6:23:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So, does this mean that Wisconsinites are somehow inferior to Arizonans?

Well, I didn't want to say anything, but....

4 posted on 08/21/2012 8:24:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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