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Ed Boock | 8/21/2012 | edboock

Posted on 08/21/2012 6:55:36 PM PDT by edboock

To All:

The events of the last 24 hours illustrate why I'm not a Republican. I'm tired of being expected to defend the indefensible and stupid actions of Republicans.

I'm somebody totally different. I'm an Independent Conservative. I don't shoot myself in the foot, head, butt, or leg on purpose.

With Rep. Todd Akin saying something totally insane and suicidal politically, the RNC Platform committee backs him up with the most egregious plank I can think of.

Ryan and Romney, it can be argued, agree with Akin and the RNC platform. Very easy to demagogue and to change the subject away from jobs and the economy.

Memo to hard right-wing anti-abortion no matter what Republicans, this election isn't about you! Not this time!

Republicans are just as stupid as Bill Mahre, Chris Matthews, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS says they are.

Why can't the Republicans act smart and go win an election that's rightfully theirs? All they have to do is not screw up.

This election is about the following: Jobs Developing domestic energy independence The economy Cutting spending Reducing the size of government Cutting spending Lower Taxes Stop Illegal immigration and voter fraud Standing with Israel The next man who will replace at least two Supreme Court Justices Protecting the Second Amendment

The RNC needs to back way off the abortion issue. Quit supplying daily options to the Obama campaign to change the subject away from their own record.

Obama is playing Republicans like a Stradivarius. Republicans have ADHD and simply cannot focus on the goal long enough to win.

It's no longer about the obvious bias of the left-wing lame-stream media. It's about irresponsible republicans that I don't think really want to win. They're in this for themselves and they're own power.

I will vote Republican as I always do. I now feel that we have lost our chance of retaking the Senate by now losing Missouri and I also think Romney will lose due to a backlash on stupidity, which the Republicans are surely guilty.

Please tell me why I'm wrong, if you think you have a better argument.

Regards to all.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykilling; moralabsolutes; prolife; vanity
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1 posted on 08/21/2012 6:55:40 PM PDT by edboock
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To: edboock

This seems to go beyond anything Akin said. You like killing babies? That may be “Independent,” but it’s not “Conservative.”


2 posted on 08/21/2012 6:59:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: edboock

What does platform say?


3 posted on 08/21/2012 7:00:28 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: edboock
The RNC needs to back way off the abortion issue.

???

Being absolutely pro-life is essential to our free Republic and I don't mean only the website of that name. The Bible clearly states: "Thou shalt not murder". This is a non-negotiable matter.

There are moral absolutes and abortionists are every bit as wrong as the sodomites. Conservatives must stand by the principles upon which America was founded.

5 posted on 08/21/2012 7:02:32 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: edboock

Demonstrating stoopitity one post per year.

Or just slow.....


6 posted on 08/21/2012 7:03:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: edboock

Once again, the Republicans destroying one of our own. The guy mispeaks, but that cannot be forgiven. The guy is all about saving innocent human life; he hasn’t hurt anybody, but nope, he mispoke, and that cannot be tolerated...even by members of the Stupid party!

And we have the stones to bit*h about the GOP-e? We are a freakin joke! If we lose the Senate, we’re history!


7 posted on 08/21/2012 7:05:20 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: edboock

You, Sir, are no Conservative.


8 posted on 08/21/2012 7:06:58 PM PDT by .30Carbine (God bless you with the spirit of wisdom and understanding)
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To: edboock

My, you’ve been here a very long time, even by my standards. 37 replies in 15 years? To what do we owe the pleasure, may I ask?


9 posted on 08/21/2012 7:08:50 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: edboock
The problem is not the Pro-Life movement. The concept of personal liberty can not be intellectually or philosophically defended without a respect for the sanctity of every life.

The problem is that Akin chose to assume the mantle of advocate for the cause when he was obviously not prepared to do so, and in so doing has had an adverse effect on the movement.

It's like an American History teacher who is so miserably boring and unprepared that his students come to hate American History. The problem is not in the curriculum, but only the presenter.

10 posted on 08/21/2012 7:09:20 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: edboock

Spineless wimp.


11 posted on 08/21/2012 7:09:52 PM PDT by TWfromTEXAS
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To: edboock
This election is about the following: Jobs Developing domestic energy independence The economy Cutting spending Reducing the size of government Cutting spending Lower Taxes Stop Illegal immigration and voter fraud Standing with Israel The next man who will replace at least two Supreme Court Justices Protecting the Second Amendment

If you're a nation of baby killers then none of the rest matters. If you aren't aware of the 3 kinds of judgement God hands out, you should at least check out judgement by abandonment and what it has meant for those nations who have turned their back on Him.

12 posted on 08/21/2012 7:10:16 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: kenavi

What does platform say?
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It says you shouldn’t kill babies for the crimes of their parents.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 7:12:43 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: edboock

Well, for one thing, the republican party has always been the party for LIFE. Love it or not, that has been a draw for a lot of us former democrats. I don;t like the RINOs in the party, nor do I like the Log Cabin republicans trying to rewrite the republican plank to demand same-sex marriage. We DO need a difference between us and the democrats. The dems win on all issues of social importance if one is just looking for total immoral freedom, and freedom from any consequences in your choices. That is NOT freedom, regardless of who says it is, but a bondage that is like slavery.

FYI, Todd Akin was asked the question to trip him up...like they do to all republicans. They try to get you to say something the dems can take to the bank. The dems have forced the questions on all these issues, bringing them up, themselves, not the republicans. They are asking us, we are not making these our issues. But, the dems cannot stand that. They know that if they can get a republican to say ANYTHING at all on a social issue they can use it, even if it means editing it to say anything but what was actually said. Same with the issue of birth control. This was never brought up by a republican, but it WAS asked by a moderator at a debate, as if there had been a bill introduced. It was a ploy by the democrats to make it look like the republicans were going to act on it. This is all smoke and mirrors. You’re being duped by the media.

Akin was not prepared, and his answer even today says that he still has his head in the ground. I have NOT read one thing in support of his actions. EVERYBODY has asked him to step down. You must be a democrat, yourself, trying to rip everybody here.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 7:13:35 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: edboock

The RNC must remain rock hard firm on abortion and same-sex “marriage”.

This year I’ll be voting for a platform, not a person.


15 posted on 08/21/2012 7:15:36 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: edboock
Yeah, let's all quit!

Or not. Sorry, no go. Try again...

16 posted on 08/21/2012 7:18:47 PM PDT by Dysart (Obama Faults Profit. Reject That.)
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To: Sirius Lee

I’m against abortion as much as anyone on this site.

We cannot save the unborn if we are not in power.

We cannot defend the Constitution when democrats are selecting supreme court judges.

For your information, God knows how I feel about abortion. I share your fear of God’s judgment on America if we fail.

We are not enemies.


18 posted on 08/21/2012 7:20:35 PM PDT by edboock
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To: Sirius Lee
If you're a nation of baby killers then none of the rest matters. If you aren't aware of the 3 kinds of judgement God hands out, you should at least check out judgement by abandonment and what it has meant for those nations who have turned their back on Him.

I don't disagree, but it sends me running to Him for mercy: "Unless the LORD Almighty had left us some survivors, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah." Isaiah 1:9

19 posted on 08/21/2012 7:26:31 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: edboock

Got any fingernails left? LOL. Another nailbiter who fears liberal opinion more than he fears God (from Whom the right to life derives, without Whose blessing we would not enjoy your nail-biting rant).

Times are a changing. You may be pleasantly surprised what good takes place in spite of your fears.


20 posted on 08/21/2012 7:30:33 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: Billthedrill

I didn’t want to lose another election. So, what’s it to you?


21 posted on 08/21/2012 7:31:31 PM PDT by edboock
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22 posted on 08/21/2012 7:34:03 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I pray that you are right.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 7:34:45 PM PDT by edboock
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To: edboock

It’s a very great deal to me. So is the integrity of this forum.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 7:35:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: edboock
Republicans are just as stupid as Bill Mahre, Chris Matthews, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS says they are.

I disagree.

25 posted on 08/21/2012 7:39:50 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: edboock

The only change to the life plank in the platform should be a specific mention that in the case of rape the party is in favor of the death penalty for the rapist, not the innocent child.


26 posted on 08/21/2012 7:40:36 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: .30Carbine
You, Sir, are no Conservative.

I'm pro life and against the death penalty. What does that make me? Just looking for a determination.

27 posted on 08/21/2012 7:44:19 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

It makes you a very confused individual.


28 posted on 08/21/2012 7:50:59 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: edboock

Go say it on the mountain. couldn’t agree more


29 posted on 08/21/2012 8:05:16 PM PDT by strider44
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To: Billthedrill

So, what do the frequency or content of my posts have to do with either? The integrity of this forum is in no danger. If it was, Jim would contact me personally.


30 posted on 08/21/2012 8:10:15 PM PDT by edboock
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To: edboock
Well, I'm complimented - two replies. That's about six months worth of output.

I'm joking, but only a little. There is, if you have been paying attention, a sudden influx of very long-time, very low-volume posters, as there often is during times of controversy, and not all of them are who they pretend to be. Personally I'm glad to have you back.

31 posted on 08/21/2012 8:15:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TWfromTEXAS

Other than I’m a spineless wimp, what are your ideas about winning this next election so conservatives can call the shots for a change. Or are you all about losing, calling people names, and bitching about all the democrats in office killing unborn babies. You won’t be able to do a damn thing about it except brag to all and be sanctimonious about how you are the most anti-abortion person on this forum and call everyone who disagrees with you a spineless wimp.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 8:22:23 PM PDT by edboock
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To: Billthedrill

I am no poser. I am as conservative as anyone on this forum and always have been. I understand, as you do, that the kind of lame-brain statements made by Republicans over the last two days can and will cost us this election if we don’t get control of the narrative soon.

Most of the time I enjoy the commentary on this forum as a lurker. Lately, I’ve felt that it was necessary to remind everyone that conservatives cannot get away with saying stupid things and lose sight of our goal.


33 posted on 08/21/2012 8:35:51 PM PDT by edboock
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To: edboock

Yeah, I know. I’m serious in welcoming you back.


34 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: gunsequalfreedom

PRetty close to me. Although I’m for the death penalty when it is clear the person is a murderer. I simply don’t have much faith in our current justice system to get things right. And it scares me to think of killing people who turn out not to be guilty.

I believe God supports the death penalty. But we would have to be a Godly nation to have God’s blessing on our justice system, and I don’t know that we are anymore.


35 posted on 08/21/2012 8:55:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: edboock
As apposed to the complete Sub-Moronic Idiots that make up the vast majority of the Democrat Party? How much dumber is Joe Biden than Aiken?

Let's get real. Aikin said what is an incorrect and none too bright of a thing, that being said, the reality is that VERY few rapes result in pregnancy. As a matter of fact, very few sexual acts result in pregnancy, that is why their aren’t trillions of people on the planet.

When a pregnancy is the result of rape. The innocent victim does not help her circumstances, nor that of her unborn child by aborting the offspring. As tragic as it is, these children can easily be adopted and lead very fulfilling lives. The woman would also not be burdened with not only being raped, but also being a willing accomplice to the death of a child.

MOST infants put up for adoption are readily and easily placed with adoptive parents. Even those with abnormalities and disorders. Healthy infants of ALL races and both gender are ALL adopted at a 100% rate. Those who are the product of rape would be easily placed as well.

The number one problem with adoption services in this country is the LACK of available children for adoption. We are missing well over a million available infants every year. More than are aborted every year could be adopted to loving TWO parent (MALE FEMALE) Married couples of all means groups.

Almost EVERYTHING that Planned Parenthood says is an out right lie. The lack of available adoptive parents is the LEAST problem faced by a woman with ANY type of unplanned pregnancy.

36 posted on 08/21/2012 10:28:59 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I simply don’t have much faith in our current justice system to get things right. And it scares me to think of killing people who turn out not to be guilty.

A life sentence always leaves open the possibility to attempt to correct the injustice. And look at the growing number of examples of people found to be innocent through later DNA testing.

Our thinking seems to be exactly the same on this. At least, that is the basis of my position.

37 posted on 08/22/2012 11:36:23 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Lurker
It makes you a very confused individual.

It makes me a conservative and I would argue yours is the very confused conservative position.

Let me try to explain my thinking. In China and other totalitarian states that do not have the English rule of law, the thinking is that if you put to death an innocent person, oh well, that is a price people must pay in society.

The conservative view of the English rule, the system of law handed down to us, is that it is a bigger crime to convict one innocent person than to let 10 guilty people go free. Individual liberty is paramount.

I understand conservative values start to slip and people get tired of watching obvious criminals avoid the death penalty. But the true conservative holds the view that sticking to conservative values in the end the system is preserved and follows a right course.

The definition of conservative is now so tweaked out of shape that I believe few understand it and confuse it with political movements that seems the closest to being conservative. That is how you get conservatives thinking it is conservative to be in favor of the death penalty.

In reality support of the death penalty is a very liberal view of our system of justice.

38 posted on 08/22/2012 11:57:35 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

In America conservatives seek to uphold Constitutional law. The death penalty is clearly contemplated by that document. Therefore supporting the death penalty is the correct conservative position.

You either support the Constitution, or you don’t. And you clearly don’t.

Have a nice day.


39 posted on 08/22/2012 12:43:40 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
You either support the Constitution, or you don’t. And you clearly don’t. Have a nice day.

The death penalty is not mentioned in the US Constitution anywhere. It is not mentioned in any Amendment either. The Eighth Amendment prohibits any cruel and unusual punishment, but the US Supreme Court has ruled that the death penalty is not in and of itself cruel and unusual.

More to the point, you have avoided the question. Is it a bigger crime to convinct one innocent person than to let 10 guilty people go free and that protects individual liberty? Or do you favor a system of government and social norms as found in China or other totalitarian states where the the state is more important than the individual?

Simple enough question. What is your answer?

40 posted on 08/22/2012 3:39:22 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Wow. You’ve never even read it, have you.

Go read Amendment the 5th, moron.


41 posted on 08/22/2012 4:25:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

The Supreme Court is definately on your side in this debat over the 5th amendment and the death penalty. But, I found other morons that share my interpretation of the 5th.

It was all interesting reading. Ill concede the weight of opinion is on your side but hold to my position.


42 posted on 08/23/2012 10:32:46 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Morons quite frequently prefer the company of other morons. I’d day you’re in good company, but you’re not. You’ve chosen to surround yourself with morons. And you’ve done it of your own free will.


43 posted on 08/24/2012 6:14:06 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
You’ve chosen to surround yourself with morons. And you’ve done it of your own free will.

You are an abrasive sort. To make you feel even more disagreeable and grumpy, I usually end up being way ahead of the curve, my positions becoming the status quo. On this issue, then, that will leave you only to complain about it to sooth your frustration.

44 posted on 08/24/2012 10:02:39 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
You are an abrasive sort.

Thank you. I've worked hard to become so.

There's a word for people like you who consider themselves ahead of the curve. That word is "progressive" and it is the antithesis of a conservative.

45 posted on 08/25/2012 7:33:50 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: edboock

If you are OK with murdering babies in the womb, you are not a conservative.


46 posted on 08/25/2012 7:41:52 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Public hanging improve the moral and disposition of the citizenry.


47 posted on 08/25/2012 7:48:47 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: edboock
Memo to hard right-wing anti-abortion no matter what Republicans, this election isn't about you! Not this time!

mitt is out on the campaign trail cheerleading Romneycare, and yet your problem is with Akin?

You are not a serious person. Actually every election IS about the individual conscience of the voter. Or are you arguing for collectivism? I know that Akin isn't. But mitt is.

Every four years, some screeching nancy comes out and plays the fearmongering game complete with flailing arms. And Conservatives see their issues pushed to the side, the GOPers push an agenda to be liked by the media, and they never are, and then the RINO loses another election and the GOPers so desperate to be liked by Hollywood can't figure out why.

So now when a GOPer comes out screaming that it's the end of the world if we vote against abortion, all I can say is - "Not this time!"

48 posted on 08/25/2012 7:54:31 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: edboock
I'm an Independent Conservative.

I will vote Republican as I always do.

Does not compute.

49 posted on 08/25/2012 7:56:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: edboock
Republican politicians must assume the MSM will twist and demonize any statement they make.

Akin should have stuck to the economy and limited any Rape/Abortion questions by asking whether any child conceived through rape should be tracked down and slaughtered.

50 posted on 08/25/2012 8:07:18 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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