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Doctor behind Todd Akin's rape theory was a Romney surrogate in 2007
LA Times ^

Posted on 08/21/2012 7:39:05 PM PDT by chessplayer

A physician and former president of the National Right to Life Committee, Willke was an “important surrogate” for Romney’s 2008 presidential bid. Willke is the oft-cited source of the theory that rape-related pregnancies are “rare.” The theory is sometimes used by antiabortion advocates to argue that abortion laws should not contain exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape or incest.

Willke believes that trauma caused by violent rape causes a woman’s reproductive system to shut down. He presents this belief as fact in educational materials, including a book about abortion and a website called abortionfacts.com. Willke’s views – and his role in promoting a theory that has been widely rejected in modern medicine – appear not to have concerned Romney in 2007, when he touted Willke’s endorsement.

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Damn. The hits just keep on coming,,,and this is only the beginning. The media can dig all this stuff up, but couldn't vet obama.
1 posted on 08/21/2012 7:39:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Obama was sitting in Wright’s church in 2007. Please.


2 posted on 08/21/2012 7:43:11 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: chessplayer
Pregnancy by rape is indeed rare. But not for the reasons that Akin gave. First, the woman has to be ovulating. Second, the rapist has to be fertile. Third, the rapist has to ejaculate in the victim's vagina. And there may be more reasons, but these three alone make it a rare occurrence.
3 posted on 08/21/2012 7:44:02 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: chessplayer

So because he endorsed Romney, that means Romney agreed with everything he said or wrote?


4 posted on 08/21/2012 7:44:51 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: chessplayer

so.


5 posted on 08/21/2012 7:45:08 PM PDT by Perdogg (Mutts for Mitt all agree - Better in the crate than on the plate)
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To: chessplayer

Hey, just remember, Akin’s comment’s won’t have ANY effect on the GOP outside the state of Missouri. :)

/sarc off.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 7:45:23 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: chessplayer
This theory is a hell of a lot older than 2007.
It was, in fact, predominantly taught when I was a kid in the sixties and seventies.

A lot of crap was.

Girls “wanted it” and “rape doesn't happen to boys” and “after a while they just get over it” and “Children won't even remember”.

Akin is a grown man though. He should know better by now.
He couldn't trouble himself to read news and statistics on crime every now and then?

I slammed him early.
Yeah, I am aware of how he got the notion, but that does not excuse it.

7 posted on 08/21/2012 7:48:54 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: PhxTM06

They won’t. In November you can apologize to those saying so.


8 posted on 08/21/2012 7:48:54 PM PDT by jb729
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To: youngidiot

He could have stated any of those reasons and been perfectly fine, but no, he had to go full retard instead.


9 posted on 08/21/2012 7:49:03 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: DLfromthedesert

So because he endorsed Romney, that means Romney agreed with everything he said or wrote?


Thats the way lefties will spin it. And they have a stranglehold on the media.


10 posted on 08/21/2012 7:50:27 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

For the love of Pete!


11 posted on 08/21/2012 7:50:27 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: chessplayer

When you cannot define yourself and stay on message your political opponent will only be too happy to do that for you. Abortion now seems to be the issue. How convenient for the democrats.


12 posted on 08/21/2012 7:52:13 PM PDT by edboock
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To: MrEdd

Huffington post is reporting that it dates back to nazi Germany according to gateway pundit website. I don’t even understand why any pro life group would even get into this kind of debate or study. Why can’t we just say that we don’t believe in abortion unless the life of mother is at stake. Period. End of story.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 7:54:07 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: chessplayer

Here we go. Leg, meet rabid pitbull.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 7:55:29 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Perdogg

Kind of hard to believe Romney was clueless about his whacked out theories.


15 posted on 08/21/2012 7:57:24 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

And that is what this is really about. It has nothing to do with the science, nothing to do with who wants to help women. All it has to do with is what the lying vultures in the media are going to do with this.

If this country’s existence now rests on what the lying vultures are going to do, this country is already dead meat.

I am so sick of the way things are in this country right now. This morning somebody posted a link to a scholarly article talking about the effect of trauma on implantation and the likelihood of miscarriage. Does it matter what the research says? Nobody is talking about what the research does or doesn’t say. That’s because truth doesn’t matter, and that disgusts me, regardless of which political direction that post-modern crap comes from.

I’m so disgusted. The fate of this country depends on which way the vultures might caw and peck. Pathetic.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 7:59:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: chessplayer
It's fascinating to see what interests our media these days... and by contrast, what doesn't.

-PJ

17 posted on 08/21/2012 8:02:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: jb729

And when McCaskill wins in November assuming Akin doesn’t drop-out, do they get to kiss my backside or what? Because right now there’s absolutely no support for Akin anywhere, not from within the Republican Party, nor anywhere else.


18 posted on 08/21/2012 8:02:42 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: chessplayer

This whole thing is orchestrated. The commies have photos of akin banging a pony .


19 posted on 08/21/2012 8:03:12 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: chessplayer

>> Damn. The hits just keep on coming,,,and this is only the beginning.

It’s only day 2. But this too will go away not before long.


20 posted on 08/21/2012 8:10:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: LyinLibs

I’m not usually one to go for conspiracy theories but I have a growing suspicion that the Dems are holding something over Akin’s head and preventing him from stepping down. His entire reasoning for staying in sounded so discombobulated and logically unsound, that it could very well be that he is getting blackmailed with something.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 8:11:20 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: chessplayer
Romney says Todd Akin he will introduce Todd Akin energy plan next Todd Akin week

"The presumptive Republican Todd Akin presidential nominee dropped by Todd Akin the Houstonian for lunch on Todd Akin Tuesday and departed Todd Akin less than an hour later Todd Akin with about $6 million Todd Akin in his campaign money bags.

On a fundraising Todd Akin swing through Texas before Todd Akin the start of the Todd Akin Republican National Convention next Todd Akin week, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney Todd Akin told a luncheon gathering Todd Akin of about Todd Akin 125 people that his No. 1 Todd Akin priority as president Todd Akin would be "to take full advantage of Todd Akin our energy resources."

Romney assured his Todd Akin listeners at the high-dollar fundraiser Todd Akin, that he tells Todd Akin Ohio audiences the same Todd Akin thing he tells Texas audiences Todd Akin about the importance Todd Akin of energy. He also said Todd Akin he would be introducing Todd Akin a comprehensive energy Todd Akin plan during a visit Todd Akin to New Mexico Todd Akin next week.

"I want Todd Akin to take advantage of oil Todd Akin, gas, coal, renewables Todd Akin, nuclear, all of the Todd Akin above in a Todd Akin very aggressive way," Romney Todd Akin said.

The former Todd Akin Massachusetts governor was introduced by Todd Akin Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, who was Todd Akin high on the vice-Todd Akin-presidential list before Romney's choice of Wisconsin Todd Akin Congressman Paul Ryan. In his introductory Todd Akin remarks, Portman told Romney Todd Akin that a recent Todd Akin poll suggested that the race in Todd Akin Ohio was neck-and-Todd Akin-neck. "The resources Todd Akin being raised here Todd Akin today will help us take Todd Akin you over the top," he Todd Akin said."

22 posted on 08/21/2012 8:13:21 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: chessplayer

So...now will all the PhonyCon Pro-Aborts call for Romney to step down?

Come on Hannity, Levin, and all the other PhonyCons....Romney is linked to the Doctor that made Rep Akin make the “legitimate rape” comment.

If all the people who are calling for Akin to step down, and do not call for Romney to step down...are nothing but Liberal PhonyCon Pro-Aborts.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 8:17:50 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Just because someone has an "R" next to their name, does not make them a Conservative)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Wow, you pro-Akin drones are so cute with your nicknames.

“Yellow bellied RINO’s”

“bed-wetters”

“cowards”

Now we have “PhonyCon Pro-Aborts”.

So cute.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 8:19:32 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: Gene Eric
It’s only day 2. But this too will go away not before long.

Yeah, they'll let up on Palin after a week or so of bashing after she's announced as the VP candidate...

Pure Alinsky.

25 posted on 08/21/2012 8:20:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: chessplayer

So if Romney is responsible for any statement of whomever gave him a past endorsement, wouldn’t that make Obama even more responsible for anything Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko or George Soros ever said or did?


26 posted on 08/21/2012 8:29:33 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: kiryandil

A shark feeding frenzy has nothing on the liberal media, they’re going to desperately try and get Akin to create new gaffe’s, saying something equally dumb or dumber. When they smell blood, they attack with a viciousness that is unparalleled in nature. Even a tiger has more respect for its victims.


27 posted on 08/21/2012 8:35:54 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Here we go. Leg, meet rabid pitbull.


Yup. Look how long the media kept on with the tax thing. Day after day, month after month. Now they have Aikin. The only way the media lets go of this is if something even juicier comes along.


28 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:30 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: PhxTM06

I wasn’t arguing about McCaskill winning. I’m arguing about the influence of this outside of Missouri. People are freaking out when this will have ZERO play outside of Missouri.


29 posted on 08/21/2012 8:48:13 PM PDT by jb729
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To: SeminoleCounty
So...now will all the PhonyCon Pro-Aborts call for Romney to step down?

Come on Hannity, Levin, and all the other PhonyCons....Romney is linked to the Doctor that made Rep Akin make the “legitimate rape” comment.

If all the people who are calling for Akin to step down, and do not call for Romney to step down...are nothing but Liberal PhonyCon Pro-Aborts.


Right you are. Romney had to lie to win the primary, saying he is completely pro-life, that was until yesterday when he said he is for abortion for rape and incest. Innocent babies should be brutally murdered for the sins of their fathers, right? And don't forget he thinks gays should be able to adopt innocent children. Why did anyone believe anything he said.

Some people around here would go along with the gop and romney if they said chidlren should be taught about homosexuality at age 5. Oh wait, Romney did mandate that in his state. The gop and romney are making it clear that conservatives should get in the back of the bus. I have a better idea. How about we find a brave new party?

30 posted on 08/21/2012 9:27:17 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Linda Frances

You go girl

this forum is a bunch of sissies...they stand for not much

ALWAYS allow their enemy to define the battle for them


31 posted on 08/21/2012 9:31:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: chessplayer
A physician and former president of the National Right to Life Committee, Willke was an “important surrogate” for Romney’s 2008 presidential bid. Willke is the oft-cited source of the theory that rape-related pregnancies are “rare.”

Did Romney ask him to resign for the good of the country???

32 posted on 08/21/2012 10:09:31 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: chessplayer

The doctor, and Rep Akin, are 100% correct! Pregnancy by rape is so rare that it can’t be explained other than to attribute it to the woman’s body’s rejection of the rapist. To believe anything else is to be a pawn of the leftist media.


33 posted on 08/21/2012 10:54:42 PM PDT by SAR
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No it is not. The pregnancy rate for those raped in fact is higher than those who merely have consensual sex ( as opposed to those in a marriage who are not practicing birth control). You obviously have not read the studies....and your understanding of conception is also obvious lacking. Sperm does not have to be deposited INTO the vagina to result in pregnancy. A woman does not have to be ovulating to get pregnant----please go back and find out abut conception. If this s what you have taught your children they are grossly misinformed
34 posted on 08/21/2012 11:39:54 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: LyinLibs
This whole thing is orchestrated. The commies have photos of akin banging a pony.

If only that were proven so! Unfortunately he's just a out of touch moronic man who thinks he's above everyone else on some kind of providential crusade in destined to move up to a Senator's pay grade.

35 posted on 08/21/2012 11:49:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 75 days away.)
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To: chessplayer
Kind of hard to believe Romney was clueless about his whacked out theories.

Ridiculous. At that level, all Romney's campaign probably knew about this quack was he was a former head of NRLC and they could "check off" a major pro-life endorsement.

36 posted on 08/21/2012 11:52:25 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 75 days away.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
If all the people who are calling for Akin to step down, and do not call for Romney to step down...are nothing but Liberal PhonyCon Pro-Aborts.

You are far off the mark about those of us calling Akin to step down from Sarah Palin to Mark Levin to John Ashcroft to Ron Johnson to Paul Ryan and on and on down to through countless freepers including me.

Your post looks suspiciously like a "PhonyCon" to me; why am I'm not surprised you've been here just two months?

37 posted on 08/22/2012 12:10:33 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 75 days away.)
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To: Nifster
Sperm does not have to be deposited INTO the vagina to result in pregnancy. A woman does not have to be ovulating to get pregnant----please go back and find out abut conception. If this s what you have taught your children they are grossly misinformed Maybe you need a refresher on "conception" yourself.

How do you get pregnant without ovulation when, by definition ovulation means a mature egg was released from an ovary, traveled down the fallopian tube and is waiting to be fertilized?

To avoid talk of deviance, I won't even ask where you think sperm can be deposited to cause pregnancy.

38 posted on 08/22/2012 12:18:12 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 75 days away.)
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To: newzjunkey

Because very simply sometimes the act of intercourse can cause ovulation. Moreover one could have already ovulated and the egg has not yet been shed. You obviously need to tke a course in reproductive science


39 posted on 08/22/2012 3:26:04 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: wardaddy

>> ALWAYS allow their enemy to define the battle for them

And Talk Radio took the bait as well.


40 posted on 08/22/2012 3:47:20 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Nifster
No it is not. The pregnancy rate for those raped in fact is higher than those who merely have consensual sex ( as opposed to those in a marriage who are not practicing birth control). You obviously have not read the studies....and your understanding of conception is also obvious lacking. Sperm does not have to be deposited INTO the vagina to result in pregnancy. A woman does not have to be ovulating to get pregnant----please go back and find out abut conception. If this s what you have taught your children they are grossly misinformed

You're way out of line. Don't worry about what I teach my kids (how "progressive" of you). Numerous studies have shown that pregnancy by rape is extremely rare - the ones that don't are left-wing propaganda that use self reported data, they're designed to bolster the baby killing business. And the three points I made are factual. We should be more worried about you, as you're obviously persuaded by feminist idiocy. Indeed, your entire little harangue comes across as "liberal". Perhaps you're in the wrong place, fool.

You're welcome to respond, but after that please steer clear of me. You're an idiot.
41 posted on 08/22/2012 7:26:31 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: chessplayer

It doesn’t matter how many times they hit us. Romney is going to promote his Mormonism at the convention. Unless Hurricane Issac stops it, Romney is going to sink his own ship. Obama is a shew in.


42 posted on 08/22/2012 8:32:15 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DLfromthedesert
So because he endorsed Romney, that means Romney agreed with everything he said or wrote?

Of course it does....IF...Romney has ever held any political opponent responsible for words or deeds of supporters or sources

Santorum and Gingrich come to mind.

43 posted on 08/22/2012 8:53:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: youngidiot

I have one question only...since you seem to support the ‘no exception’ rule when it comes to abortion, what do you tell a woman with a tubal pregnancy?


44 posted on 08/22/2012 9:12:21 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
I have one question only...since you seem to support the ‘no exception’ rule when it comes to abortion, what do you tell a woman with a tubal pregnancy?

Did I say that? No. You have an ax to grind. Enjoy your abortions or whatever it is you want to do. Bye.
45 posted on 08/22/2012 10:06:44 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: youngidiot

Rape related pregnancies are 1% of abortions. That’s rare. That figure comes from the Alan Guttmacher Institute. A wholly owned subsidiary of Planned Parenthood.


46 posted on 08/22/2012 11:13:03 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: chessplayer
http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_29.asp
Why Can't We Love Them Both
by Dr. and Mrs. J.C. Willke


Short excerpt from Ch. 29: Rape. See especially the last paragraph:
"In this case, we have incredible emotional trauma. Her body is upset. Even if she conceives, the miscarriage rate is higher than in a more normal pregnancy. If she loses 20% of 600, there are 450 left. Finally, we must factor in one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that is psychic trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get pregnant and stay pregnant, a woman’s body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain which is easily influenced by emotions. There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy."

Are assault rape pregnancies common?

No, they are very rare.

Are there accurate numbers?

The Justice Dept., from 1973 to 1987, surveyed 49,000 households annually, asking questions on violence and criminal acts. The results of those reported were:

1973 — completed rapes — 95,934

1987 — completed rapes — 82,505

The study stated that only 53% were reported to police. Accordingly, the total numbers were: 1973 — 181,016 ; 1987 — 155,667
[The Washington Times, Jan. 14, 1991, A-5]

A more recent Justice Dept. report, using a study designed differently with more direct questions, returned a result of 170,000 completed rapes plus 140,000 attempted rapes.
Nat. Crime Victim Report, [US Justice Dept. Aug. 95, R. Bachman]

And how many pregnancies result?

About 1 or 2 for each 1000. Using the 170,000 figure, this translates into an overall total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States.

Only one or two out of 1000? Please explain.

There are about 100 million women in the United States old enough to be at risk for assault rape. Let’s use a figure of 200,000 forcible rapes every year. The studies available agree that there are no more than two pregnancies per 1,000 assault rapes.

So much for the numbers. Let’s look at it from another angle and see if that figure makes sense.

- Of these 200,000 women who were raped, one-third were either too old or too young to get pregnant. That leaves 133,000 at risk of pregnancy.

- A woman is capable of being fertilized only three days out of her 30-day month. So divide 133,000 by 10, and 13,300 women remain.

- One-fourth of all women in the United States of child-bearing age have been sterilized. That drops the figure to 10,000.

- Only half of the assailants penetrate her body and/or deposit sperm. Cut it in half again. We are own to 5,000.

- Fifteen percent of men are sterile; that drops the figure to 4,250. Fifteen percent of non-surgically sterilized women are naturally sterile. That reduces the number to 3,600.

- Another 15% are on the pill and/or are already pregnant. Now the figure is 3,070. Now factor in something that all adults know. It takes from five to ten months for an average couple to achieve a pregnancy. Using the smaller figure, to be conservative, divide the 3,000 figure by 5, and the number drops to about 600.

In a healthy, peaceful marriage, the miscarriage rate ranges up to about 15%. In this case, we have incredible emotional trauma. Her body is upset. Even if she conceives, the miscarriage rate is higher than in a more normal pregnancy. If she loses 20% of 600, there are 450 left. Finally, we must factor in one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that is psychic trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get pregnant and stay pregnant, a woman’s body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain which is easily influenced by emotions. There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one really knows, but this factor certainly cuts the last figure by at least 50%, and probably more, leaving a final figure of 225 women pregnant each year, a number that closely matches the 200 found in clinical studies.

47 posted on 08/22/2012 5:18:29 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Gene Eric
It’s only day 2. But this too will go away not before long.

Ummm.... you mean similar to the way Obama's "You didn't build your business!" gaffe totally disappeared from the political radar in a few days?

48 posted on 08/22/2012 6:49:14 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (If my kids make a mistake in the voting booth, I don't want them punished with a community organizer)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Akin’s remarks were not malicious — bizarre, but certainly not Marxist.


49 posted on 08/22/2012 8:52:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: chessplayer

So it was a set up by Willard to get rid of Conservative opposition in the Senate


50 posted on 08/25/2012 7:45:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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