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Are Parents Boycotting Public Schools?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52076,00.html ^

Posted on 08/21/2012 8:31:10 PM PDT by wintertime

Take your children out of public schools.

That's what James Dobson, founder of the conservative Christian organization Focus on the Family, told more than five million American listeners in a March 28 broadcast of his daily radio show.

"In the state of California ... I wouldn't put [a] youngster in a public school," Dobson bluntly stated. His words sparked a campaign that reveals the extent of parental discontent with public schools.

Why are they discontented? Some parents worry about the lack of religious or "moral" values; other parents point to low academic standards or bias against male students. (Dobson objected to "homosexual propaganda" that teaches, for example, that "bisexuality is normal.")

The common denominator is that parents wish to choose the values and standards by which their children are educated.

The campaign against public schools snowballed April 9 when the popular radio personality Dr. Laura Schlessinger declared, "I stand with Dr. James Dobson." Indeed, Dr. Laura did not restrict her comments to California. "Take your kids out of public schools," she advised. The same day, in his Christian talk show Point of View — broadcast over 360 American radio stations — Marlon Maddoux added his agreement.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; drlaura; education; jamesdobson; pointofview; publiceducation; sourcetitlenoturl
Have we reached a tipping point?

Large seemingly intractable institutions can lose their legitimacy seemingly overnight. And....This is a major news network reporting on this. I'm impressed.

1 posted on 08/21/2012 8:31:14 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
"Have we reached a tipping point?"

Better that than an event horizon, my friend.

2 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:24 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: wintertime
One of our "best" (pretty location, generally affluent families) high schools is having their annual prom. It came about that the principal wanted to crack down on "grinding". Well, what is that? I guess a boy comes up behind a girl on the dance floor and "grinds" sounded like doing an Elvis with bodily ccontact.

So the discussion went back and forth. The whole business made me almost ill to think that any parent would alllow their daughter to be defiled, yes defiled by such behavior on the part of any male at the dance.

If that's what it's come to, what else is going on at that school? But the alternatives are difficult as two parents have to work so not everybody can home school and private schools are very expensive unless you can get a scholarship for your child.

3 posted on 08/21/2012 8:43:33 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: wintertime

“Large seemingly intractable institutions can lose their legitimacy seemingly overnight. And....This is a major news network reporting on this. I’m impressed. “

Yea, but you know the drill, even here. There will be public school apologists saying stuff like:

“...of course public schools suck, but not in my town...we (parents) have control, they don’t get away with any of that garbage they do in the other 99% of the country.”

One question for those parents, are they ACTUALLY in the classrooms 6.5 hours a day watching what REALLY happens? Heck, Everyday Math (the most popular math curriculum in public schools) doesn’t even have a text book, because they know it will scare the living hell out of parents if they saw what was being ‘taught’.


4 posted on 08/21/2012 8:46:04 PM PDT by BobL (If you're afraid of guns, get yourself a wife that isn't)
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To: wintertime

We start our new school tomorrow. Yanked our kids out of one of the supposedly best schools in the area. Went charter that focused on the kids and not the needs of the teachers. The bias against boys is real. Especially in a district that stretches from the hood to the well to do suburbs. Tenure and seniority get the teachers out of the combat zones and into cush-ville. The old biddies can’t handle young boys...or really any of the 5 year olds. Mix in the bitch principal that yells at everyone with a bullhorn in the parking lot and the recipe is not good. The kids will be allowed to be kids and I won’t be committing vehicular manslaughter on the principal....win win!


5 posted on 08/21/2012 8:50:02 PM PDT by ScottinSacto (Liberals support abortion on demand and gay marriage....sounds like a great strategic plan!)
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To: ScottinSacto

Good for you. Keep us posted.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 8:52:15 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Aliska; wintertime

The parents are putting their precious “lifestyles” ahead of their children.

I don’t feel sorry for them; I view them with contempt.


7 posted on 08/21/2012 8:54:41 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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8 posted on 08/21/2012 8:56:19 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: YHAOS

“Better that than an event horizon, my friend. “

As long as the school system is on one side and my son and I are on the other, I’m good with an event horizon.


9 posted on 08/21/2012 9:02:51 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: wintertime

It used to bother me that if you send your kids to private school, you are still obligated to pay for public school, thus being double charged for education. Then I realized, you are actually paying to have your children’s competition in the job market under educated. Not such a bad deal after all. The unfortunate dumbed down public school students can be your child’s employees, if they can tolerate a level of incompetance usually reserved for members of the DNC.


10 posted on 08/21/2012 9:04:25 PM PDT by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Aliska

Not that it will make you feel any better, but these days it’s probably more often the girl leaning into and grinding on the boy. Drive past a middle school and see how the girls are dressed; we’ve raised a generation (or more) for whom the term “slut” has lost its sting.


11 posted on 08/21/2012 9:05:32 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: wintertime
Our Public school isn't great BUT it has its points. Like every meeting and event I have been to at the school starts with a prayer (It pisses of some of the lib teachers.) But most of the teachers are either moderates or conservatives and even a couple of libertarians. Of course they have the union but in the 90s we had a dust up with the union that crushed their strangle hold.

Several ultra-libs got marginalized when the entire town got a look at a video tape showing the supposed highly educated and refined teachers assaulting people with signs spitting on people damaging cars and throwing things through the windows of the school.

It all came to a head when a few of the teachers with the aide of some united mine workers went to the Super's house and took his dog and hung it and gutted it.

Then the local populous got mad and their was some "unofficial deputations" sent to visit the Strike Ring Leader's homes.

Basically the townspeople let it be known there would be no school levies passed until all of those involved who manipulated this strike were gone from our school. And there have been no new levies passed since. Also those "unofficial deputations" let it be known that if one more animal was harmed or more damage done to School property their would be severe consequences. Amazingly it wasn't long after the strike was settled.

Now when some libtard teacher starts up again they are quietly sent a copy of the video of all the shit the teachers pulled during the strike with note attached that sez: "We will never forget!"...

So our local school has gotten better BUT its still lacking far too much but I believe this is more systemic then just our individual school.

12 posted on 08/21/2012 9:11:42 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: achilles2000

In that school, yes, I suppose the parents are mostly to blame. Well, no, the kids who do it are mostly to blame but all who allow or condone it are culpable.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 9:12:36 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: AngieGal

ping


14 posted on 08/21/2012 9:16:37 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: wintertime

Everything a California student needs to know they learn in kindergarten. Like learning how to put a condom on a banana and learning that little boys buggering each other is normal.


15 posted on 08/21/2012 9:17:24 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Trod Upon

The article I read it was boys, but I googled and you are correct, girls do it, too. I mean initiate it. And they tend to dress like a word I hate to use but does apply. Sluts. Maybe it’s almost a matter for pride to be slutty.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 9:22:04 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: wintertime
Are Parents Boycotting Public Schools?

Whether they are or aren't isn't the issue. They should if at all possible, particularly inner-city parents.

17 posted on 08/21/2012 9:29:26 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: ModelBreaker
Yes.

My point being that, if we don't have a tipping point, we will have the event horizon.

18 posted on 08/21/2012 9:41:36 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Trod Upon

we’ve raised a generation (or more) for whom the term “slut” has lost its sting.

We’ve raised a generation or more that has no shame whatsoever. There is no stigma in being a slut, a bum or any other ner-do-well type. It boggles the mind


19 posted on 08/21/2012 9:55:55 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Aliska

That is just too much.

At my prom the wildest thing we did was “The Time Warp” from “The Rocky Horror Picture Show”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0SqS2QJdj8


20 posted on 08/21/2012 10:01:18 PM PDT by Morgana (-----------> Eat at Chick-Fil-A <-----------)
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To: wintertime

This is breaking news? May of 2002, really?


21 posted on 08/21/2012 10:05:33 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: ScottinSacto

The bias exists because for the last 25 years there has been a orxhestrated effort to get rid of men as good role models in schools.


22 posted on 08/21/2012 10:17:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Trod Upon

“we’ve raised a generation (or more) for whom the term “slut” has lost its sting.”

Well, that is the result, when everyone is “empowered” and has “pride” about everything they want to do, then people have no shame.

We can’t, as a society, embrace sexual liberation, in our laws and culture, for adults, and not expect that to trickle down to our children. They learn from us, and if they see that we abandon standards of behavior for ourselves, then they see no reason to abide by them either. They’ll just think of us as hypocrites, and try to flaunt our rules whenever they get the chance. So, we’ll never get rid of prostitots until the mothers stop acting like prostitutes themselves.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 10:34:13 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: wintertime
I wouldn't send my children to ANY public school in this country. The State of Ohio is rife with crapola schools. Some of the WORST are the City of Cleveland Municipal Schools. I reside in said city school district. That being said one of the best school systems in the Country is also headquartered in Cleveland and that is the Cleveland Parochial School System.

With recent law changes in the State of Ohio ALL Parents of children who reside in Cleveland can request a voucher. ALL requests are granted for ANY accredited school, Public, Charter or Parochial within the city limits. If a student can be accepted to the school, the State of Ohio will pay up to $5,000 for ANY student regardless of means to the school of their parents choice. If the parents are lower income, the state will provide up to $10,000. to the school of choice. Once a child is given a voucher, they can get it renewed EVERY YEAR simply by requesting a renewal.

Most parochial grade schools are less than $4,000. per year. The average spent on a per pupil average in Cleveland Municipal Schools is OVER $15,000. The value of the education is significantly less, but the teachers all make $70k OR MORE and have great benefits and up to 90% of their top three years pay for a LIFETIME retirement income.

THANK GOD for John Kasich and the Republican lead Senate and House in Ohio!

24 posted on 08/21/2012 11:26:24 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: wintertime

Perhaps.....with the Newsweek “Hit the Road” article, the MSM knows Obama is going to lose and that possibly a good 16 years of a Republican Presidency is looming forcing them to stop the bias and begin reporting the full spectrum.

Just a thought.


25 posted on 08/21/2012 11:42:35 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: wintertime

**Snerk**


26 posted on 08/22/2012 2:38:45 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: Boiling point

“It used to bother me that if you send your kids to private school, you are still obligated to pay for public school, thus being double charged for education. Then I realized, you are actually paying to have your children’s competition in the job market under educated. Not such a bad deal after all. The unfortunate dumbed down public school students can be your child’s employees, if they can tolerate a level of incompetance usually reserved for members of the DNC.”

I’ve been making that point also. Thanks to the public schools, we parents have a have an EASY WAY to get our kids into the top 1% (or at least 5%). All we have to do is educate them ourselves...and let most of the country keep using the public schools.


27 posted on 08/22/2012 4:34:45 AM PDT by BobL (If you're afraid of guns, get yourself a wife that isn't)
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To: Trod Upon; Aliska; wintertime
Drive past a middle school and see how the girls are dressed; we’ve raised a generation (or more) for whom the term “slut” has lost its sting.

Who is it that purchases those clothes for the child? Who is it that allows the child to go out of the house dressed like that?

Thirty years ago my wife led a group of parents that demanded the school board adopt a dress code. Two months later the code was in place and several board members were put on notice about what the results would be of the next election.

Of course keep in mind that my wife felt it was important enough to actually get involved.

28 posted on 08/22/2012 4:44:38 AM PDT by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: wintertime
I don't see us at the tipping point yet. The tipping point will be reached and passed when ALL schools are privatized, school attendance is optional and you can not be granted FULL VOTING right unless you have a High School Diploma or equivalent.
29 posted on 08/22/2012 5:08:25 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Boiling point

I hate paying public school taxes and private school tuition. Conversely, I’d be afraid to let vouchers with public money touch private schools because the strings attached could strangle the quality out of private schools.


30 posted on 08/22/2012 7:34:44 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: BobL
One question for those parents, are they ACTUALLY in the classrooms 6.5 hours a day watching what REALLY happens? Heck, Everyday Math (the most popular math curriculum in public schools) doesn’t even have a text book, because they know it will scare the living hell out of parents if they saw what was being ‘taught’.

perhaps the parents should demand a webcam in every classroom so they could log on at any time and see what the teacher is doing.

31 posted on 08/22/2012 7:42:19 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Hope for the Republic

Good on her :^)

AND, Welcome to FreeRepublic ;^)


32 posted on 08/22/2012 9:56:15 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: Hope for the Republic
Usually the parents provide the money or credit card for the clothes. I'm trying real hard to remember but my daughters didn't like the clothes I bought them after a certain age. I'm ashamed of the way my children turned out in that regard.

Now after reading about Prince Harry's latest and taking a poll, I see I am 1/3 in the minority of disapproving.

The only dance I remember at the prom is the fox trot and jitterbug. Actually my memories of the prom which everybody thinks should be happy weren't particularly. But at least boys in public were more restrained with girls in public back then.

33 posted on 08/22/2012 11:13:53 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: BobL

I consider paying for public schools to be a “ransom” of sorts. I’ll pay it and keep my kids out of their clutches.


34 posted on 08/22/2012 11:23:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: tbw2

Even a tax credit, or simply not charging you the portion of the tax they use for public schools, could have strings attached -

“you get this tax credit if your child goes to an APPROVED school”


35 posted on 08/22/2012 11:25:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: MrB

“I consider paying for public schools to be a “ransom” of sorts. I’ll pay it and keep my kids out of their clutches.”

Same here. I just look at it as another tax. Here in Texas we have low property values, but high tax rates. If I want to pay less for “the schools”, I can live in a smaller place. It’s no different than Social Security - you pay the tax, not for yourself, but for some old fart in some other part of the country that either didn’t pay in, or didn’t pay enough.

Bottom line, if you want to live in the USA, you pay these taxes...and try to work on them from the political side.


36 posted on 08/22/2012 3:32:19 PM PDT by BobL (If you're afraid of guns, get yourself a wife that isn't)
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