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German Rabbi faces criminal charges over circumcision
Jewish World ^ | 08/22/2012 | Ynet

Posted on 08/22/2012 11:32:32 AM PDT by Jewbacca

A German rabbi has been criminally charged for performing a circumcision, committing what the indictment calls "bodily harm," media outlets reported on Tuesday. The charges against David Goldberg, who is a mohel and the Rabbi of the city of Hof Saale in Bavaria, is the first known case following the anti-circumcision ruling issued by a German court in May.According to media reports, the charges were filed by a physician from the city of Hessen, and was based on the court ruling which stated that performing a religious circumcision ritual can be considered a crime. A Bavarian radio station reported that the doctor was among the signatories of a letter sent to Angela Merkel, which claimed that "religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: circumcision; germany; israel; nannystate
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1 posted on 08/22/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by Jewbacca
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To: SJackson

ping


2 posted on 08/22/2012 11:34:45 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Are the Krauts exempting imams from persecution when they circumcise?


3 posted on 08/22/2012 11:38:39 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Jewbacca

maybe they should warn the public about this dangerous man and those like him

Maybe they could, oh I dunno.. make them where a gold star on their clothing

Hey, why not? It’s been done before


4 posted on 08/22/2012 11:39:25 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K

“maybe they should warn the public about this dangerous man and those like him. Maybe they could, oh I dunno.. make them where a gold star on their clothing.”

Undoubtedly the next step.


5 posted on 08/22/2012 11:41:40 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Gee...Germans persecuting a Jew for being Jewish. How do you say “deja vu” in German?


6 posted on 08/22/2012 11:42:16 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jewbacca

Yep, the first law the Nazis passed was banning the Kosher slaughter of animals.


7 posted on 08/22/2012 11:43:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mr. K
"Maybe they could, oh I dunno.. make them where a gold star on their clothing

Hey, why not? It’s been done before"

They've probably still got some in storage somewhere ...

8 posted on 08/22/2012 11:43:25 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: null and void

“Are the Krauts exempting imams from persecution when they circumcise?”

Allegedly, no. In practice? Doubtful.


9 posted on 08/22/2012 11:43:42 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Muslims also perform circumcisions.
Are they covered by the same laws or does it only apply to Jews?

10 posted on 08/22/2012 11:43:47 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Jewbacca; cripplecreek
Are you ready to be offended yet?

Good old San Fransisco, U.S.A. is outpacing the Germans in antisemitism now-a-days.

http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2011/06/mohel1.jpeg

You know, its for "Human Rights"

11 posted on 08/22/2012 11:44:00 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: KC_Lion

Julius Streicher lives.


12 posted on 08/22/2012 11:44:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jewbacca

It’s hard to draw a line between circumcision and moslum mutilations.

“just sayin’”


13 posted on 08/22/2012 11:47:26 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: KC_Lion

The link between queers and the new anti-circumcision forces is strong.

Queers aligning themselves with anti-semites is logical, if one believes a primary motiviting factor in both behaviors is a hatred of G-d.

I used to not believe that, but I am increasingly thinking it is so.


14 posted on 08/22/2012 11:48:32 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Here we go, folks.


15 posted on 08/22/2012 11:49:46 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Mr. K

It’s a YELLOW STAR, not gold star.

Gold stars are worn by generals of the Army and police chiefs.


16 posted on 08/22/2012 11:51:00 AM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The word is about
There’s something evolving
Whatever may come
The world keeps revolving

They say the next big thing is here
That the revolution’s near
But to me, it seems quite clear
That’s it’s all just a little bit of history repeating


17 posted on 08/22/2012 11:51:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jewbacca
"religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."

Seems to me that this line of reasoning could be used as an excuse to criminalize a number of religious practices and ideas.

18 posted on 08/22/2012 11:52:03 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Born to Conserve

“It’s hard to draw a line between circumcision and moslum mutilations.”

By “moslum mutilations” do you mean the removal of the clitorus and labia of young girls so that they cannot achieve orgasm that muslims use to further degrade and control women?

Only a retard could not see the distinction.


19 posted on 08/22/2012 11:52:39 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Déjà-vu-Erlebnis (English and German just stole it from French)
20 posted on 08/22/2012 11:52:56 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Jewbacca
Queers aligning themselves with anti-semites is logical, if one believes a primary motiviting factor in both behaviors is a hatred of G-d.

I used to not believe that, but I am increasingly thinking it is so.

Oh, goodness gracious. What did you used to believe . . . that queers hate G-d and anti-Semites love Him too much?

At least the political spectrum is beginning to make sense now.

21 posted on 08/22/2012 11:53:25 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Jewbacca

There is a huge push by western doctors and health organizations in Africa to get as many men circumcised as possible to reduce the spread of Aids.

I guess what is legal and what is illegal depends on geography, and can differ by 180 degrees.


22 posted on 08/22/2012 11:53:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Jewbacca
The link between queers and the new anti-circumcision forces is strong.

Aside from the anti-God thing, why would queers care about circumcision?
23 posted on 08/22/2012 11:56:19 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: Jewbacca

“... could not see the distinction”.

I agree. Apples and oranges. I don’t know how someone could compare the two.


24 posted on 08/22/2012 11:56:29 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Jewbacca

Outrageous.

The Jewish community in Germany, or what’s left of it, need simply respond: “Great, soon all of the German Jews will be behind bars — again.”

I’ll bet the cowards beat a hasty retreat!


25 posted on 08/22/2012 12:00:56 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."

Seems to me that this line of reasoning could be used as an excuse to criminalize a number of religious practices and ideas.

Yet I bet the same doctor has no problem performing an abortion...

26 posted on 08/22/2012 12:01:50 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Jewbacca

Your definitions of circumcision and mutilation, fine, only an idiot, blah blah.

Now, without equivocation, what is the distinction? Some circumcisions are performed with the teeth. Some moslum ‘mutilations’ only involve the removal of the foreskin of the clitoris. Definitions are blurry. Please, give us an exact distinction between good jewish circumcision, and evil moslum circumcision.


27 posted on 08/22/2012 12:04:21 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve

Bablefish made a mess of your post.

Can you try again in the original German?


28 posted on 08/22/2012 12:07:26 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Jewbacca

My prayers and sympathy.


29 posted on 08/22/2012 12:07:41 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: youngidiot
Aside from the anti-God thing, why would queers care about circumcision?

Because an intact foreskin facilitates insertion into tight non-lubricated orifices.

Or so I'm told.

30 posted on 08/22/2012 12:08:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Jewbacca

It’s unsurprising.


31 posted on 08/22/2012 12:09:11 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Here we go, folks.”

It’s days like this I am happy I live high in the mountains about 500 miles from any town of consequence.


32 posted on 08/22/2012 12:10:54 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

HAAAHAHAHA!!


33 posted on 08/22/2012 12:12:08 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Jewbacca

Oh, goodness gracious. What did you used to believe . . . that queers hate G-d and anti-Semites love Him too much? At least the political spectrum is beginning to make sense now.”

JB: as much as I like you, I have to go with ZC on this one.

On one side, you have the culture-of-death who hates God and does things like have dangerous gay sex, kill babies, and persecute Jews. Been that way since the pagans sacrificed babies to Baal.

On the other side, you have those who love life and love God.

For a smart guy, you’re slow on the uptake.


34 posted on 08/22/2012 12:13:50 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Jewbacca

So how long until Kristallnacht II?


35 posted on 08/22/2012 12:14:53 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“Can you try again in the original German?”

Way to make friends.

I’m a circumcised “WASP” American. My ancestors kicked german butt to get your ancestor’s butts out of the fire.

If you’re done with the insults, can you please just explain to us how we can distinguish between jewish and moslum genital modifications? Something that would hold up in court perhaps? I think we’d all like to stop some of that moslum stuff, but we have to have unequivocal definitions.

Are you able? Or are you just going to spit more insults?


36 posted on 08/22/2012 12:15:13 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Jewbacca
Years ago there was a court case here in Massachusetts of a Christian Scientist couple whose child died while under the care of a Christian Science "healer".The couple was put on trial for having failed to seek "western" medical care for the child...the charge was some kind of negligence (it wasn't murder or anything).Can't recall what the verdict was but although I'm a huge First Amendment guy (being Catholic I,too,am a religious minority) I could see where the parents could have been required to seek traditional care for their child *in addition to* whatever it is Christian Science "healers" do (prayer,IIRC).I might be inclined to take the same attitude in a case like this...a licensed physician performs the actual surgical procedure (which is exactly what it is,in addition to being a religious ceremony) and the Rabbi recites the traditional prayers before,during and after the procedure.Of course if the Rabbi is also a physician then there's no problem.Seems to me that prison might be too harsh for the Rabbi but...

If it's believed that this represents anti semitism then one can look at certain traditions that other religions might have.I can't think of any that Christianity has....moslems,perhaps? I don't know.I'm not well schooled on the traditions followed by other religions.

I've donned my asbestos suit so have at it if you all must!

37 posted on 08/22/2012 12:18:19 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: Jewbacca

“Never Again’’ is beginning again. What next, no Jews allowed to be civil servants?


38 posted on 08/22/2012 12:18:37 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: null and void
Because an intact foreskin facilitates insertion into tight non-lubricated orifices.

Sorry I asked.
39 posted on 08/22/2012 12:19:27 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: null and void

TMI


40 posted on 08/22/2012 12:20:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Born to Conserve

How can you distinguish? Easy...Jews don’t “circumcise” girls.

(I put that in quotes because “circumcising a girl” is like “plucking a fish”.)


41 posted on 08/22/2012 12:21:03 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Born to Conserve

“My ancestors kicked german butt to get your ancestor’s butts out of the fire.”

Which ancestors? The Scott, German, Irish, or Apache?

Seriously, go try Stormfront or DU. Either will be more to you liking.


42 posted on 08/22/2012 12:22:43 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican; Jewbacca; wideawake; KC_Lion
"religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."

Seems to me that this line of reasoning could be used as an excuse to criminalize a number of religious practices and ideas.

That's the whole point. Religion has been redefined as an endlessly malleable and evolving ethno-cultural appendage with no connection to objective truth. Objective truth has been assigned to "secular morality" (which is based on what . . . ? "Science?" . . . Personal hang-ups?) which now sits in judgment on all religions, religious claims, and religious authorities. This notion of a common non-sectarian standard apart from G-d is the opening that let the camel's nose into the tent, and it's not the creation of modern liberals but of people like Locke and Jefferson. In other words, the source of today's anti-religious mania is part of the ideology of America itself.

The current acceleration of the process is fraught with irony. Internationally, the western world (the moslem world is unaffected) has adopted this non-sectarian secular morality largely in the name of atoning for Jewish suffering. The people whose mission is to teach the world about G-d wound up teaching the world about Voltaire (an anti-Semite himself, btw). Does mormonism teach the proxy baptism of deceased people? Well, we can't allow people to "use" religion in this way, so the referee of secular morality steps in and forbids it. Does Fundamentalist Protestantism require its members to try their best to convert every single person they meet to their version of chrstianity? Well, our current multi-cultural society won't allow people to "use" religion to make other people feel bad, so the supreme arbiter of non-existent "secular morality" steps in again. And so the Jews become associated with secularism and G-d becomes associated with the host gentile nation--the exact opposite of how things are supposed to be.

Domestically, the launching pad of the current situation was the Ku-Kluckers and segregationists claiming that the Bible taught white supremacy (just where has never been mentioned). So, since "religion" teaches Black inferiority (a point conceded rather than contested by anti-religious liberals), "secular morality" became the great Supreme Arbiter of domestic American justice. Since G-d teaches white supremacy (again, no verses are ever quoted), then G-d is a big redneck meanie and either "science" or emotional hang-ups rush in to condemn Him. Now the same referee is ready to step in any time G-d is "mean" by putting down gay people or commanding the circumcision of male children.

The supreme irony in this is that two historically fundamentalist communities, Orthodox Jews and Black Protestants, have been used as the excuses for secularization. The religious practices/behavior of each group, no matter how Theonomic, are declared quaint specimens of cultural "otherness" that must be protected in the name of diversity rather than recognized as the simple expressions of religiosity which they are. And so Jews allow G-d to tell them how to tie their shoes and Blacks worship like backwoods right wing hillbilly snake-handlers while liberals look on admiringly and conservatives boo and hiss these "villains."

Is it beginning to make sense now?

Jews have always lived precariously in exile and a certain amount of caution has always been necessary when dealing with the host nation's rulers. However, the glee and lack of any deep thought with which even Orthodox Jews bought into the "supreme secular morality" meme (especially considering its diametrical opposition to universal Noachide morality) as a protection from chrstian anti-Semites has been absolutely heartbreaking. How many people actually believe now that Yehoshua` Bin Nun built a "museum of tolerance" in Jericho?

It was inevitable that this "secular morality" would eventually come to bite the source of everything opposed to it: Judaism. So now religion may not be "used" to "mutilate" eight day old babies who according to secular humanism aren't even people anyway. And how are Jewish organizations responding? By the same tired old cries of "otherness," "pluralism," "multiculturalism," "tolerance," "bigotry," and invocations of "secular morality" (in the form of the UN Universal Declaration of Rights).

Everyone except the Jews is speaking in the Name of G-d. Everyone except the Jews is practicing mystical nationalism. They're all imitating Biblical Israel and the imitations are all false and will all fail.

Everyone wants to be Israel except for Israel. Isn't it about time this changed?

43 posted on 08/22/2012 12:22:43 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: youngidiot
Living long and asking questions is a sure fire cure for being a youngidiot...

(You're sorry? Imagine how I feel for knowing the answer!)

44 posted on 08/22/2012 12:25:17 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dfwgator

I figured there was some gay sex reason.


45 posted on 08/22/2012 12:26:03 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: dfwgator

Pretty much anything relating to that lifestyle is TMI.


46 posted on 08/22/2012 12:26:19 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Jewbacca

I guess I’m unclear on something...does the law in question prohibit circumcision (or prohibit it under a certain age) or does it just require that it be performed by a licensed physician?


47 posted on 08/22/2012 12:27:53 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Jews have always lived precariously in exile and

now they live precariously the the land that G-D HIMSELF gave them.

48 posted on 08/22/2012 12:29:34 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void
Because an intact foreskin facilitates insertion into tight non-lubricated orifices. Or so I'm told.

I would think gay guys would prefer circumcised d**ks...I think the poster trying to relate anti circumcision laws with gays was stretching it to say the least.

49 posted on 08/22/2012 12:30:44 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: no one in particular

What would happen if every Jew said “We’ll consider stopping circumcision AFTER you stop abortions.”?


50 posted on 08/22/2012 12:32:48 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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