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Ayn Rand's Appeal
Fox News ^ | 21 August 2012 | Onkar Ghate

Posted on 08/22/2012 12:12:50 PM PDT by Publius

Paul Ryan is Romney’s pick for Vice President and now Ayn Rand’s name is on everyone’s lips.

Many on the left are pillorying Ryan as an unrealistic “ideologue” because of his Rand connection. Many on the right accede, quickly trying to set aside Ryan’s admiration for "Atlas Shrugged" as youthful indiscretion. “Every young conservative has a fascination with Ayn Rand at some point,” Romney’s strategist Eric Fehrnstrom says dismissively.

But hold on. If we actually consider the essence of what Rand advocates, the idea that her philosophy is childish over-simplification stands as condemnation not of her position but of the many adults from whom this accusation stems.

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A better article on Rand.
1 posted on 08/22/2012 12:13:00 PM PDT by Publius
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 08/22/2012 12:14:42 PM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: Publius

I suspect the reason is simpler — Libs are thinking it’s unfair to put up a VP candidate that’s actually read a book that doesn’t have pop-up pictures....


3 posted on 08/22/2012 12:20:05 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Publius

Ayn Rand was an ardent anti-Communist which is a major contributor to her ideology. Belief in self-worth, creativity, achievement... not such bad things. For some reason, the left loathes these concepts and the only reason I can fathom for their hatred of success and achievement is that the left, i.e. Progressives and liberals, are basically lazy, unmotivated drones.


4 posted on 08/22/2012 12:21:34 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Publius
To not be a Randian at age twenty shows a lack of heart. To be a Randian at age forty shows a want of brains! Apologies to Georges Clemenceau.
5 posted on 08/22/2012 12:23:17 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Ranger Warrior
I believe that young people gravitate to Rand because she spoke for the independence of the individual, and young people don't want to think of themselves as “lazy unmotivated drones” as you so aptly stated. It is a conundrum that a young person can be attracted to Rand as well as leftist ideology at the same time. I believe it is because the average college student does not have a well-formed ideology, where they have accepted a certain world-view and rejected those things that are inconsistent with it.

When I was a college student at Indiana University during the late 1970s, a very liberal time at a very liberal campus, “Where is John Gault” graffiti was quite common.

6 posted on 08/22/2012 12:33:49 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: Ranger Warrior
I believe that young people gravitate to Rand because she spoke for the independence of the individual, and young people don't want to think of themselves as “lazy unmotivated drones” as you so aptly stated. It is a conundrum that a young person can be attracted to Rand as well as leftist ideology at the same time. I believe it is because the average college student does not have a well-formed ideology, where they have accepted a certain world-view and rejected those things that are inconsistent with it.

When I was a college student at Indiana University during the late 1970s, a very liberal time at a very liberal campus, “Where is John Gault” graffiti was quite common.

7 posted on 08/22/2012 12:33:49 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: Ranger Warrior
I believe that young people gravitate to Rand because she spoke for the independence of the individual, and young people don't want to think of themselves as “lazy unmotivated drones” as you so aptly stated. It is a conundrum that a young person can be attracted to Rand as well as leftist ideology at the same time. I believe it is because the average college student does not have a well-formed ideology, where they have accepted a certain world-view and rejected those things that are inconsistent with it.

When I was a college student at Indiana University during the late 1970s, a very liberal time at a very liberal campus, “Where is John Gault” graffiti was quite common.

8 posted on 08/22/2012 12:33:49 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: henkster

Wow. My first triple. Don’t know how that happened. Oh well...


9 posted on 08/22/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: henkster

Too much of that fine 68’ Uhura,perhaps?


10 posted on 08/22/2012 12:45:32 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Dr. Ursus

LOL. Or not enough...


11 posted on 08/22/2012 12:52:59 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: henkster
Wow. My first triple. Don’t know how that happened. Oh well...

One would've hoped that by the third time, you would've got the spelling right (John "Galt"), as well as the question posed in the book, Who is John Galt?"

;-)

12 posted on 08/22/2012 12:54:16 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: henkster; Publius
When I was a college student at Indiana University during the late 1970s, a very liberal time at a very liberal campus, “Where is John Gault” graffiti was quite common.

In fact " where is John Galt " would be the expected question from the liberals mentioned. Rand made it clear that Galt represented the free meal so many had come to expect.

"Who is John Galt" is a much simpler question and forces one to take a clear position, proclaiming loudly either 'I' or 'Not I' !

13 posted on 08/22/2012 12:57:05 PM PDT by whodathunkit
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To: Publius
the idea that her philosophy is childish over-simplification

Ayn Rand’s world view are useful to form a defense against the destructive libtard assault on the consensus of the Founding Fathers, which would be catastrophic for America if it succeeds.

Ayn Rand’s world view is useful to fight the:

Emotionalism
Loss of contact with reality and delusions
Altruism
Collectivism
Statism
Socialism
Keynesian
Envy, resentment against achievement, and hatred of the good for being the good
Redistributionism
Egalitarianism
Pro-dependency & pro-parasitism views
Anti-individual rights views
of the irrational libtard intellectuals.

14 posted on 08/22/2012 1:09:49 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Uncle Ike
"I suspect the reason is simpler — Libs are thinking it’s unfair to put up a VP candidate that’s actually read a book that doesn’t have pop-up pictures..."

LOL! I needed that...

I've finally made the time to read Atlas Shrugged. What's so prescient about the story is that Washington has been modeling all of their policies after those of Wesley Mouch, Dr. Floyd Ferris, Balph Eubank, et al.

What's really disturbing is that ObaMao seems to have read the book and concluded that Mouch was on target with his philosophy and policies. The big mistake on the part of the collectivist efforts are:

1) The United Sates is too spread out. What's needed is population density so that social consensus can be regulated. (e.g. UN's Agenda 21)

2) The effort didn't have enough global coordination and control to enforce social justice. (UN's Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) and Small Arms Treaty, etc.)

3) There were too many individual freedoms. As Dr. Pritchett said:

"But I believe I made it clear that I am in favor of it, because I am in favor of a free economy. A free economy cannot exist without competition. Therefore, men must be forced to compete. Therefore, we must control men in order to force them to be free."


15 posted on 08/22/2012 1:57:25 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: All
Many on the right accede, quickly trying to set aside Ryan’s admiration for "Atlas Shrugged" as youthful indiscretion.

Cowards.
16 posted on 08/22/2012 1:58:34 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Publius
I just finished reading Atlas Shrugged for the third time in my life, each many years apart.

If you cut through the pedantic prose and the extended philosophizing it is amazing how prescient Rand was. It becomes easy to understand why liberals express such hatred for Ayn herself, and why they attack and ridicule Ayn's books.

Many of the events and actions she wrote about are now taking place right before our eyes and highlight what liberal government has done to the country.

Just a few:


17 posted on 08/22/2012 2:31:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Publius

Put up a straw man - knock it down... silly.


18 posted on 08/22/2012 3:24:58 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: Ranger Warrior
Ayn Rand was an ardent anti-Communist which is a major contributor to her ideology. Belief in self-worth, creativity, achievement... not such bad things. For some reason, the left loathes these concepts...

Ryan seems to have walked away with the good parts of Any Rand - as most of us who are conservatives have... She wasn't perfect - but she had important things to add to the conversation.

19 posted on 08/22/2012 3:28:39 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: Ranger Warrior

I don’t understand why Rand is getting slogged in this article. Rand was one of the new capitalist thinkers that proudly proclaimed capitalism not on the miserable argument that is works better, but that capitalism is morally superior to the alternative. Sure, I disagree with her on many things, but she was proud of America and hated Libertarians who love to hate America, and would have always been on the side of those who advocated force to protect America’s interests.


20 posted on 08/22/2012 3:29:27 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Iron Munro

One doesn’t have to embrace Objectivism to appreciate Rand’s deadly accurate characterizations of Leftist villains.


21 posted on 08/22/2012 3:36:08 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: GOPJ

People who have escaped from totalitarian societies such as Ayn Rand often have a much sharper perspective than those of us who were fortunate to be born here. One of my co-workers was born in Cuba... his dad was police chief in a major town when Castro took over. His dad was a political prisoner for 15 years. His dad died shortly after being released because of the poor conditions that he experienced in prison. My coworker appreciates the freedom that we enjoy in this country much more most of us native born people.


22 posted on 08/22/2012 3:48:55 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Publius

There is nothing wonderful, in practice about Western free markets combined with Rand’s communist state ordered atheist, humanist society (in the name of freedom FROM religion - Western ethics and morals). It is not what the founders created.

You have to have basic ethics and morals in a society applied to businesses or you end up with corruption, killers, theives and connivers. See the real estate fake loan shake down.

You have to have ethics and morals in the people of a free society or you get liars, theives, drug and sex addicts, murders, rapists, adulters/family breakdowns, and other social diseases. (See the inner cities with is spreading with the spread of humanism.) With Rand’s model you have to have a police and welfare state to keep order for people who have no ethical structure within themselves and none taught to them in society.

You have to have ethics in western science and medicine or you end up with fake science like global warming hoaxes, gay gene hoaxes, or rationalized medical treatments like abortion, killing the weak (aka, assisted suicide), eugenics, genocide... All of this comes out of anti-Western Rand’s social ideal from practice in atheist societies.


23 posted on 08/22/2012 4:13:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: mjp

In other words, Rand’s world view does away with everything that makes man different for an animal - darwinism! What an ideal. It worked so well in the Soviet Union!


24 posted on 08/22/2012 4:25:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Mr. Jeeves
One doesn’t have to embrace Objectivism to appreciate Rand’s deadly accurate characterizations of Leftist villains.

Well said!


25 posted on 08/22/2012 4:26:32 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: henkster
When I was a college student at Indiana University during the late 1970s, a very liberal time at a very liberal campus, “Where is John Gault” graffiti was quite common.

Heh.

26 posted on 08/22/2012 4:53:11 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Publius; All
Our constitutionally-dumbed-down populace may not be ready for a Vice Presidential candidate who can debate ideas and principles--not the current "issues" which so easily disguise the stark difference between tyranny and freedom (individual liberty). So-called "progressives" love to play a shell game which keeps us unfocused on their love for power!

For too long, we have allowed public discourse to be focused on "issues," while we ignored the essential ideas which are essential to liberty for individuals.

Americans should hold fast to the Founders' ideas of liberty instead of allowing its leaders to plunge it into the depths of European-style socialism, in violation of their Constitution's limitations.

If Paul Ryan's reading of Ayn Rand challenges the Bidens of the world to confront the ultimate tyrannical consequences of their ideology, then more power to Paul Ryan. That's a plus for the youth of this nation.

From the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), Chapter 1, excerpted final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. The struggle for life provides for the various wants of the human race, in somewhat the same way as the climatic struggle of the elements provides for vegetable and animal life—imperfectly, that is, and in a manner strongly marked by inequalities and anomalies. By taking advantage of prevalent tendencies, it is possible to mitigate these anomalies and inequalities, but all experience shows that it is impossible to do away with them. All history, moreover, is the record of the triumph of Individualism over something which was virtually Socialism or Collectivism, though not called by that name. In early days, and even at this day under archaic civilisations, the note of social life is the absence of freedom. But under every progressive civilisation, freedom has made decisive strides—broadened down, as the poet says, from precedent to precedent. And it has been rightly and naturally so.

I.46

"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."

EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON
27 posted on 08/22/2012 4:54:18 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SaraJohnson
All of this comes out of anti-Western Rand’s social ideal from practice in atheist societies.

Throw away that whiskey bottle, Sara.

28 posted on 08/22/2012 4:58:10 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: SaraJohnson
“With Rand’s model you have to have a police and welfare state to keep order for people who have no ethical structure within themselves and none taught to them in society.”

I have read quite a bit of Ayn Rand's work and seen and read many interviews. I certainly do not agree with a lot of her philosophy; I think that American altruistic tendancies have been of huge benefit to our society. But your characterization of Objectivism could not be much further from the mark.

Certainly she was influenced by the circumstances of her birth, as I am sure that you and I both were. Escaping from a totalitarian regime made her appreciate her freedom much more than the typical Obama voter. Trying to make the case that her philosophy could only work in a police state is completely baffling as every fiber in her being opposed communism, socialism and all powerful police states.

No one has more accurately predicted the eventual outcome of the socialist policies that have been eroding the system in our country than Ayn Rand. I am sure that you and I agree much more than we disagree, but I do not believe that your characterizations are fair or accurate. I personally fear a socialist hiding behind religion more than an athiest who believed to her core in the free market.

29 posted on 08/22/2012 5:03:16 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: SaraJohnson

I don’t believe I have ever seen a person get it so wrong.

Do yourself a favor....read Rand instead of believing whatever it is you have been reading about Rand.


30 posted on 08/22/2012 5:06:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: fireman15
I think that American altruistic tendancies have been of huge benefit to our society

Keep in mind, it was forced altruism that Rand objected too.

If it was in your own rational self-interest to be altruistic (it made you fell better, or it made your community a better place etc.) then go for it.

It was the 'looters' who took from you to give to others and call it altruism that she thought was evil.

31 posted on 08/22/2012 5:15:11 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

I have watched Rand’s minions in dicussion and activism. I have read her book. Watch what they do; not how they yap about “freedom.”

They have no respect for social freedom. They are social liberals - dictate culture in the public square from the top, down. They advocate social marxism.

I was not born yesterday so quit pretending that everyone who have studied your ideology is stupid for not seeing it for what it is.


32 posted on 08/22/2012 5:29:08 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: fireman15
One of my co-workers was born in Cuba... his dad was police chief in a major town when Castro took over. His dad was a political prisoner for 15 years. His dad died shortly after being released because of the poor conditions that he experienced in prison.

Everyday Cubans didn't believe it could happen to them... and it did. The communists could take over here too. They're organized and we're not... My prayers for your friend... Just out of curiosity, how does he feel about the TSA?

33 posted on 08/22/2012 5:31:17 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: fireman15

She saw socialism warping the market. She did not see her own top down enforced amorality warping the human character and society to where economic socialism would be guarenteed via dysfunction. She did not see humanism’s political correctness replacing Christian morals and ethics in a top/down elitist rule.

Like most atheists, she understoodmaterialism and service to self (darwinism). It does not work on a cultural level for a free nation. It is amoral and without direction and inspiration. It is animalistic and legalistic.


34 posted on 08/22/2012 5:46:25 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
I have read her book.

With respect, Sara, no, you haven't. I cannot imagine how anyone who had could possibly characterize Rand's society as "communist state" and "ordered." It was exactly the opposite. That's one reason she is so cursed at by the Left today.

Rand got into quite a bit of trouble advocating the sort of social freedom that included a woman's right to sleep with whomever she wanted (including another woman's husband in Dagny's trysts with Hank Reardon). That was pretty hot stuff for the 1950's. Commonplace now, but there you are. Criticize her for immorality if you like but not for any dictation of culture from the top down. She was not by any stretch of the imagination a "social Marxist".

I'd encourage you to read Atlas Shrugged but you'd probably beat me over the head with it right about the time you got to the "This is John Galt Speaking" chapter, and I'd deserve it. :-)

35 posted on 08/22/2012 5:47:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: eddie willers
You are correct; I think I understand her point of view. More accurately she objected to the notion that self sacrifice is a standard always to be judged good and self interest is a standard judged always to be bad.

In this country we all owe a great deal to many who have sacrificed themselves for the good of their fellow citizens... soldiers killed or maimed in battle come to mind. I am not familiar with her advocating someone giving their life or fortune for their country... especially since this is a concept always encouraged in totalitarian regimes.

Yet I know of many instances where someone did voluntarily give up their life or their fortune for the good of others and it was a good thing despite having no apparent benefit to the person who made the sacrifice. I think that she would say that unless the person felt that this action would somehow directly benefit at least their loved ones that this would be an irrational behavior.

36 posted on 08/22/2012 5:51:31 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: GOPJ

Cubans had an island paradise that would probably be much more prosperous than Hawaii. They lost it all because of Communism and Socialism. I am not sure how my co-worker feels about the TSA. I know he loves this country and I know he fears for its future.


37 posted on 08/22/2012 5:57:31 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

“People who have escaped from totalitarian societies such as Ayn Rand often have a much sharper perspective than those of us who were fortunate to be born here.”

You are SOOOOO right! There is a guy I know who lives in my precinct; he’s from Bulgaria. He swam the Black Sea for 13 hours to get to Turkey, avoiding various patrol boats. He NEVER misses voting in any election.


38 posted on 08/22/2012 6:09:00 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: SaraJohnson
Ayn Rand never advocated “her own top down enforced amorality”. She strongly objected to “top/down elitest rule”. So I disagree with your basic premises.

I have been swindled frequently over the years by persons who convinced me to give them things by appealing to my Christianity or convincing me that they were good Christians. So much so that I have become suspicious of people like Obama who wear their religion on their sleeves.

A capitalist society is based on trust; people who are trustworthy get ahead because others are willing to deal with them repeatedly. Criminals or the untrustworthy do not get ahead because once they are exposed others will not deal with them. Self interest encourages its own form of morality. We are not a homogeneous society anymore. There are all sorts of peoples and cultures of all religions and belief systems interacting. Ayn Rand had little or nothing to do with this. Without intrusive government interference everything tends to work out better.

39 posted on 08/22/2012 6:17:46 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Misterioso

Plug the hole in your head, Misterioso.


40 posted on 08/22/2012 6:23:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

When you put a sock in yours.


41 posted on 08/22/2012 7:05:28 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso

Get someone to help you find your head so you don’t plug the wrong end, Misterioso.


42 posted on 08/22/2012 7:09:26 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

I quit. You’re too quick-witted for me.


43 posted on 08/22/2012 7:30:28 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
To not be a Randian at age twenty shows a lack of heart. To be a Randian at age forty shows a want of brains! Apologies to Georges Clemenceau.

From the article: “There is a fundamental conviction which some people never acquire,” Rand wrote in 1969, “some hold only in their youth, and a few hold to the end of their days—the conviction that ideas matter.” The nature of this conviction? “That ideas matter means that knowledge matters, that truth matters, that one’s mind matters. And the radiance of that certainty, in the process of growing up, is the best aspect of youth.”

44 posted on 08/22/2012 7:34:18 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso

That’s good. I could tell you were draining out fast. :)


45 posted on 08/22/2012 7:43:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: fireman15
More accurately she objected to the notion that self sacrifice is a standard always to be judged good and self interest is a standard judged always to be bad.

In this country we all owe a great deal to many who have sacrificed themselves for the good of their fellow citizens... soldiers killed or maimed in battle come to mind. I am not familiar with her advocating someone giving their life or fortune for their country... especially since this is a concept always encouraged in totalitarian regimes.

Yet I know of many instances where someone did voluntarily give up their life or their fortune for the good of others and it was a good thing despite having no apparent benefit to the person who made the sacrifice.

You are still (slightly) missing the point.

If you believe the greatest thing you can do is self-sacrifice, then being successful in that goal is the most "selfish" thing you can possibly accomplish. You have succeeded on you own terms.

46 posted on 08/22/2012 9:09:45 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
To not be a Randian at age twenty shows a lack of heart. To be a Randian at age forty shows a want of brains!

In my own case, I flipped that.

I was a liberal at 20 and became a conservative after reading Atlas Shrugged at age 38.

At twenty, most people are too immature and not lived life long enough to have and keep a valid philosophy.

I almost believe they should put a "Not To Be Read By Anybody Under Thirty" stickers on her books.

47 posted on 08/22/2012 9:15:40 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: fireman15

Ayn Rand never advocated “her own top down enforced amorality”. She strongly objected to “top/down elitest rule”.


Political correctness is all powerful right now. Where are the so-called “freedom” libertarians to tell homos to pack it in and leave Christian people alone? Crickets....

Actually, in practice, libertarians are for the anti-moral homo sex dominance via government control. They are training atheists to cleanse the public square of historical Christian tracks. It’s called cultural cleansing and communists do it. Rand thought she was clever: combine the communist social and cultural structure with economic freedon and, viola, we have social and economic freedom! That is a lie.

Watch what they do; ignore their flapping lips!


48 posted on 08/22/2012 11:06:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Billthedrill

Well, I can’t do anything about your naming me a liar so I guess there is no sense in speaking with you anymore.

Since this is my last communication with you, Billthedrill, I want to tell you that Rand’s Utopian social ideolgy is not what happens in practice like Marx’s social and economic ideology...much like the social Marxist ideology it is born of. She thought she was clever in combining Marxist social ideology with Western capitalism in power. Alas, economic freedom goes hand in globe with Judeo-Christian culture. And social marxism PROMISES economic marxism. The culture of social marxism shouts down the culture of Western morality which is needed to be understood and accepted by the majority (melting pot) for economic freedom. Communists named it America’s ideology of freedom our National religion. Same with atheist Rand. She did not acknowledge the human soul.

God bless.


49 posted on 08/22/2012 11:16:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Ah, Sara, take that as you like. I don't know what of Rand you've read but it certainly was not Atlas Shrugged. You really ought to - I think you'd like it. You are not a liar, but whoever told you that AS incorporates Marxist ideology is. They couldn't be more different.

And God bless you, to, and I mean it!

50 posted on 08/23/2012 3:08:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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