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GM Goes From Bad to Worse Despite Obama Bailout
Townhall.com ^ | August 23, 2012 | Michael Barone

Posted on 08/23/2012 5:23:17 AM PDT by Kaslin

Readers with long memories may recall that Charles E. Wilson, president of General Motors and nominee for secretary of defense, got into trouble when he told a Senate committee, "What is good for the country is good for General Motors, and what's good for General Motors is good for the country."

That was in 1953, and Wilson was trying to make the point that General Motors was such a big company -- it sold about half the cars in the U.S. back then -- that its interests were inevitably aligned with those of the country as a whole.

Things are different now. General Motors' market share in the U.S. is below 20 percent. It has gone through bankruptcy and exists now thanks to a federal bailout. But Barack Obama seems to think that it's as closely aligned with the national interest as Wilson did.

"When the American auto industry was on the brink of collapse," Obama told a campaign event audience in Colorado earlier this month, "I said, let's bet on America's workers. And we got management and workers to come together, making cars better than ever, and now GM is No. 1 again and the American auto industry has come roaring back."

His conclusion: "So now I want to say that what we did with the auto industry, we can do in manufacturing across America. Let's make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. Let's have them here in Colorado. And that means supporting investment here."

Was he calling for a federal bailout of other American manufacturing companies? And what does he mean by "supporting investment"? White House reporters have not asked these obvious questions, for the good reason that the president, who has been attending fundraisers on an average of one every 60 hours, has not held a press conference in something like two months.

Obama talks about the auto bailout frequently, since it's one of the few things in his record that gets positive responses in the polls. But he's probably wise to avoid probing questions, since the GM bailout is not at all the success he claims.

GM has been selling cars in the U.S. at deep discount and, while it's making money in China -- and is outsourcing operations there and elsewhere -- it's bleeding losses in Europe. It's spending billions to ditch its Opel brand there in favor of Chevrolet, including $559 million to put the Chevy logo on Manchester United soccer team uniforms -- and just fired the marketing exec who cut that deal.

It botched the launch of its new Chevrolet Malibu by starting with the green-friendly Eco version, which pleased its government shareholders, but which got lousy reviews. And it's selling only about 10,000 electric-powered Chevy Volts a year, a puny contribution toward Obama's goal of 1 million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.

"GM is going from bad to worse," reads the headline on Automotive News Editor in Chief Keith Crain's analysis. That's certainly true of its stock price.

The government still owns 500 million shares of GM, 26 percent of the total. It needs to sell them for $53 a share to recover its $49.5 billion bailout. But the stock price is around $20 a share, and the Treasury now estimates that the government will lose more than $25 billion if and when it sells.

That's in addition to the revenue lost when the Obama administration permitted GM to continue to deduct previous losses from current profits, even though such deductions are ordinarily wiped out in bankruptcy proceedings.

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that GM is bleeding money because of decisions made by a management eager to please its political masters -- and by the terms of the bankruptcy arranged by Obama car czars Ron Bloom and Steven Rattner.

Rattner himself admitted late last year, in a speech to the Detroit Economic Club: "We should have asked the UAW (the United Auto Workers union) to do a bit more. We did not ask any UAW member to take a cut in their pay." Non-union employees of GM spinoff Delphi lost their pensions. UAW members didn't.

The UAW got their political payoff. And GM, according to Forbes writer Louis Woodhill, is headed to bankruptcy again.

Is this really what Obama wants to do for all manufacturing across America? Let's hope not.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: automakers; bailouts; barone; generalmotors; gm; obama; uaw; unitedautoworkers
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1 posted on 08/23/2012 5:23:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I just heard Biden today. He said something like “I have a bumper sticker for you: Osama is dead and GM is alive.”

They may want to stop the presses on that one for a while. ;-)


2 posted on 08/23/2012 5:28:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

“Supporting Investment” is Orwellian double-speak for “Government Takeover” of more private industry


3 posted on 08/23/2012 5:32:31 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Kaslin
"Is this really what Obama wants to do for all manufacturing across America? Let's hope not."

Yes, Obama wants to bring his world view of justice to America. America must be brought down and the third world, particularly the Muslim world, must be raised on the bones of the West. Obama constantly lies and deceives, but he despises America and is trying to end it.

4 posted on 08/23/2012 5:33:55 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Kaslin

GM pissed me off when they discontinued the 8.1 Vortec engine under pressure from certain groups that it was too much engine for the peasants. I have a 2002 Silverado dually with it, an amazingly powerful reliable engine, originally designed as a marine engine. And yes its s fuel drunkard.

Because of Gm’s financial problems they won’t be coming out with any new aids or tech on their vehicle lineup, same old stuff as before.


5 posted on 08/23/2012 5:38:25 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Kaslin

I want my money back..GM is a UNION slush fund.


6 posted on 08/23/2012 5:39:58 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Kaslin

GM is failing because they should have aggressively reduced themselves to Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC Trucks and Opel/Vauxhall and unified their product line just like what Ford—and GM should have implemented this plan back in 2009.


7 posted on 08/23/2012 5:40:15 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Kaslin; mickie
"....including $559 million to put the Chevy logo on Manchester United soccer team uniforms."

Can someone explain THAT one to me ???

Leni

8 posted on 08/23/2012 5:40:28 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Kaslin
It's hard to avoid the conclusion that GM is bleeding money because of decisions made by a management eager to please its political masters -- and by the terms of the bankruptcy arranged by Obama car czars Ron Bloom and Steven Rattner.

Subsidizing failure and sloth is never a good idea.

The Law of Nature strikes again.

9 posted on 08/23/2012 5:40:36 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Kaslin
The GM bailout did not fix the structural problems that lead to the bankruptcy in the first place. They just put in a couple liters of blood, without stopping the bleeding.

If Romney wins, he should just pull the plug. Let the unions die.

10 posted on 08/23/2012 5:41:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: Kaslin

GM, like all American branded automakers, never sold that many cars to Democrats. Now they’re not selling cars to any self-respecting Republicans, either. Double whammy.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 5:44:17 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: cuban leaf
Some people will not buy a GM product just because of the bailout. Others won't because they are not good investments, The Malibu is low quality compared to equivalent models from VW, Ford, Honda, Toyota.
The tax payer is going to be stuck with millions of worthless shares of the stock as well. The democrat answer to that is raise more taxes to continue the bailout.
12 posted on 08/23/2012 5:45:15 AM PDT by reefdiver (Shoeless John Roberts, American Backstabber)
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To: cuban leaf
"Osama is dead and GM is alive"

I think that is their new slogan to try and convince Americans why we should vote for them again. Gov. Quinn from IL botched it the othe day during a speech and said "Obama is dead, and GM is alive".
13 posted on 08/23/2012 5:45:43 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Kaslin

I have to call BS on this...

I work for an automotive equipment supplier..

I have not been this busy in my whole time in this industry..

and gm is leading the way, they are upgrading every single plant..

I think part of this was during the bankruptcy they went “garbage picking” in the old plants and took equipment to the plants that remained open...

all of that equipment was old to start with, and now it is worn out...

I have walked into plants and seen equipment roped off and shut down to pedestrian and vehicle traffic because it is so old and worn out it is now hazardous..

they have no choice but to spend money now, so they must have it if they are spending it...


14 posted on 08/23/2012 5:45:59 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Kaslin

BUT! CNN Says this is a good thing:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/21/autos/chrysler_bailout_costs_gains/index.htm

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15 posted on 08/23/2012 5:46:20 AM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: Kaslin

You’d think GM, supposedly a company conceived in the crucible of capitalism, would have realized the FAIL in going socialist.


16 posted on 08/23/2012 5:47:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Kaslin

Is anyone really surprised at his?


17 posted on 08/23/2012 5:48:55 AM PDT by SumProVita
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To: MinuteGal
"....including $559 million to put the Chevy logo on Manchester United soccer team uniforms." Can someone explain THAT one to me ??? Leni

My guess? Eventually rebadge Opel's to Euro_Chevy's and hope to get soccer fans to but them across the pond.

Knowing what I know about auto design cycles and their cost, that is a hellofa lotta money for a major new design or refreshes on "x" number of others. Not money well spent IMHO....

18 posted on 08/23/2012 5:49:31 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Kaslin
My post last night on GM...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2921737/posts?page=32#32

19 posted on 08/23/2012 5:51:46 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: MinuteGal
"Manchester United soccer team"

Because that's George Soros's team!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48735599/ns/sports/
20 posted on 08/23/2012 5:52:22 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: dalebert
the Treasury now estimates that the government AMERICAN TAXPAYERS will lose more than $25 billion if and when it sells.
21 posted on 08/23/2012 5:53:13 AM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Kaslin

I have purchased the last of my GM products. My next vehicles will be Ford.


22 posted on 08/23/2012 5:53:31 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: dalebert

I want my money back...... the money due bond holders that was flat out stolen.


23 posted on 08/23/2012 5:53:39 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: taildragger
"Manchester United soccer team"

Because that's George Soros's team!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48735599/ns/sports/
24 posted on 08/23/2012 5:54:55 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Kaslin
Good morning.

0bama and his regime keep saying that they "bailed out the auto industry." Ford didn't get a bailout.

5.56mm

25 posted on 08/23/2012 5:59:51 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Kaslin

and Honda is getting aggressive about picking up market share.

Ohio Unveils New 2013 Honda Accord
Tuesday August 21, 2012 7:20 AM
UPDATED: Tuesday August 21, 2012 7:22 AM

http://www.onntv.com/content/stories/2012/08/21/story-new-honda-accord.html


26 posted on 08/23/2012 6:01:15 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: bert
I want my money back...... the money due bond holders that was flat out stolen.

And the Preferred Stock-Holders as well if my memory is correct, they got the shaft as well...

I wish I could say who, but in a conversation with a titan in their own field, the utter destruction of contract law and the fear of having all intellectual, physical / mental efforts, and captial obsconded with the wave of a "Leaders" hand has Captial on strike post the GM bankruptcy. That whole "GM event" did not go un-noticed, and I was shocked when they told me how they felt about this and I thought I was the only one on a lonely screed here denoting that fact.

The silent Going Galt Revolution Continues until our Dear Leader is gone...

27 posted on 08/23/2012 6:04:15 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: jaydubya2

I think that is their new slogan to try and convince Americans why we should vote for them again. Gov. Quinn from IL botched it the othe day during a speech and said “Obama is dead, and GM is alive”.


What was comical to me when I heard Biden was the Osama part. I’m looking for a new job. Can you imagine me highlighting, on my resume, a success I had years ago, and even then only as the manager of a team that did the real work?

The potential employer would assume two things: First, is that all I’ve got and, second, I’ve done nothing since then? And that harkens back to the first.

Well, at least in Obama’s case we would be right.


28 posted on 08/23/2012 6:06:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jaydubya2; taildragger
Manchester United Owner – Malcolm Glazer – is a large Barak Obama contributor.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/07/stupid-stupid-stupid-gm-invests-600-million-of-our-money-in-english-soccer-team-2447338.html
29 posted on 08/23/2012 6:07:34 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: taildragger

The solution to the disgraceful action is for the next President to take money from the UAW pension fund and give it to the rightful owners from which it was stolen.


30 posted on 08/23/2012 6:08:43 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Kaslin

Who in the hell wants to buy a govenment car? Who wants to buy from a company that Braaaack Obama micromanages?

Eventually GM will become like the USSR’s Lada and East Germany’s Trabant!

Buy a Ford!


31 posted on 08/23/2012 6:10:17 AM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: DMG2FUN
I have purchased the last of my GM products.

Agreed. I've bought 2 cars since the bailout. Neither GM.

32 posted on 08/23/2012 6:12:14 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: cuban leaf

Osama has nothing to do with GM. Obozo had little to nothing to do with killing Osama the poor bewhiskered waco just had to be on Obozo’s kill list.

GM will yet go down the tubes.


33 posted on 08/23/2012 6:13:33 AM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: Kaslin
Bailouts are anti-Democratic and will always fail because it allows Gubmint to temporarily pick who wins and who loses.

It will always fail because as long as there is some degree of economic freedom left, the market will ultimately decide winners and losers and in the case of GM, the market is deciding as the balance sheet indicates.

Of course, given another term Barry may have a solution for his problem.

If the Gubmint can mandate you to buy health insurance, then why can't the Gubmit mandate you to buy one of those green lemons called a GM Volt?

I am sure John Roberts and his new found friends on the Supreme Branch of Gubmint would not have any problems with the constitutionality of such a mandate.

34 posted on 08/23/2012 6:17:53 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: joe fonebone

“they have no choice but to spend money now, so they must have it if they are spending it...”

Sure Sounds like our government alright....


35 posted on 08/23/2012 6:21:16 AM PDT by oust the louse (Obamacare has morphed into a tax on staying alive.)
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To: IbJensen

Yes, I just think both are negatives in different ways. And the Seals are to Obama what the Swiftboaters were to Kerry. They are effectively taking the one thing he thinks he did right and exposing him for what he is.


36 posted on 08/23/2012 6:22:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: PapaBear3625

If it was indeed “too big to fail”, then GM should have been broken up.


37 posted on 08/23/2012 6:25:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: M Kehoe

You’re right. Ford didn’t get a bailout, and that’s why we purchased our last vehicle from them. I wonder how many other Americans have purchased Fords for this reason.


38 posted on 08/23/2012 6:27:15 AM PDT by chickpundit
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To: Kaslin

Obama only has one campaign speech......
“I’m going to steal money from the people who don’t vote for me and give that money to the people who do vote for me.”
Every other speech is a smokescreen.


39 posted on 08/23/2012 6:29:47 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: PapaBear3625
The GM bailout did not fix the structural problems that lead to the bankruptcy in the first place.

The GM Bailout was like applying a tourniquet to the neck to stop a bleeding head wound.

40 posted on 08/23/2012 6:30:26 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: N. Theknow

I have been the GM of a new car dealership since 1990. Fortunately, before the BK of GM, I bailed out to a Ford dealership. The auto business is ‘roaring back’ so well that in 2007 and 2008, I put my son through college with my life savings. My income is now up to approximately 60% of what it was in 1998, with no retirement, only a small 401K that has the potential to lose money every month. In my area, probably 20% of the dealerships are closed, and the ones that made it sell about 40% as many as in the 90’s. This is really roaring back! My plans are to work till I’m 75-80, then choose between starvation and suicide. Of course instead of being a capitalist, I could have become a govt worker out of college, and I’d be retired now with a lifetime pension, insurance, etc.


41 posted on 08/23/2012 6:46:11 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: RayChuang88
they should have aggressively reduced themselves to Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC Trucks and Opel/Vauxhall

I thought they did that - except for Buick. And Buick sells well in China.

42 posted on 08/23/2012 6:57:53 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Kaslin
That's because their Obama cars STINK on ice. No one wants to spend tens of thousands of dollars on ugly, poorly made, cheap designs that are destined to fall apart and break down so you have to buy another one in two or three years to keep the SOCILAST UAW Obama thugs rolling in dough.

GM wanted Obomination, they got him. GM, along with "made in the cess-pool Detroit" Chrysler are now known as OBAMA Motors Inc.

43 posted on 08/23/2012 7:13:10 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: cuban leaf

I have seen left wingers taglines saying that


44 posted on 08/23/2012 7:36:07 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

“Despite Obama Bail-Out”?How about”Because Of Obama Bail-Out”??Everything this IDIOT touches or meddles with turns into SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 08/23/2012 7:43:39 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Kaslin

“W” and Barbara had the Obamas over for the traditional reception at The White House(shortly before The Immaculation.Afterwards,”W”was heard to remark”He’s Clueless”.Tell us something we didn’t already know!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 08/23/2012 7:47:02 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Kaslin

Has GM started producing Zyklon-B yet? Or is GE supposed to do that?


47 posted on 08/23/2012 7:50:19 AM PDT by patton (more than 250 times less revenue, at a high rate of speed - Obama)
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To: Kaslin
"The government still owns 500 million shares of GM, 26 percent of the total. It needs to sell them for $53 a share to recover its $49.5 billion bailout. But the stock price is around $20 a share, and the Treasury now estimates that the government will lose more than $25 billion if and when it sells."

This brings up many questions and possibilities. Will the government step in a second time to prevent bankruptcy? Because, the last time all stock went to 0, this time the unions and government are holding most of the shares. Will the government step in and artificially raise the stock price? At least to the point where they could sell it with out losing too much. And will the government step in to help GM, by giving GM as many government fleet contract as possible? New military vehicles, FBI, etc cars and trucks. Getting into bed with GM is going to hurt tax payers no matter what the outcome, but maybe we can make some money in GM stock so it won't hurt so much.

48 posted on 08/23/2012 7:58:35 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: 2001convSVT

What percent of GM is owned by countries other that the United States — China for one?


49 posted on 08/23/2012 8:30:27 AM PDT by TiaS
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To: TiaS
Canada, through the Canadian Auto workers union has at least 10%.
50 posted on 08/23/2012 8:54:15 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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